Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Pom-DownUnder]

Given that this has absolutely nothing to do with what I came back to query, you’ll forgive me (or maybe not) if I just drop this part of the conversation. Make of make of that what you will, but I’m bored with this re-contesting of ancient history and totally disinterested with the irrelevance. But please go ahead in my absence.

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[RooFlyer]

Be careful what the 40% actually means

Well, you will have to be another one who has to forgive me, but I really am not terribly interested. In fact I’m totally over the whole statistical arguments about Covid efficacy and all the rest. Study versus study, expert versus expert. I am, at this stage, not giving a rats bottom about the splitting of monoclonal ribose nucleotidic hairs.

But if there’s a booster vaccine, that will give me a small margin of additional comfort about not getting serious disease, especially when I’m going on holiday, I’d like to be in it if permitted to.

That’s all.

 

[Freq Flier 2013]

Except your basic premise is wrong john. You overemphasise the negative and ignore the positives.
A recent study showed that the vast majority of people with long covid were symptom free after 12 months.

The virus now is far less serious than it was plus most people have at least some immunity even to the current variants.

But people are still dying from covid. What is everyone’s response to that? I’ve had an employee in China who was very sick and had to go to hospital to get treatment. Oxygen levels very low, hard to breathe ect..

 

[Quickstatus]

small margin of additional comfort

The problem is we actually don't know what that margin is, if any. At the individual consumer level, you are right - do whatever seems to make sense. However, at the population level, they matter because that's where signals appear as to efficacy/harm.

 

[Quickstatus]

But people are still dying from covid.

Yes they are. No one is being excluded from efficacious treatments. The point is that when treatments are not properly tested, should it be used at all?
Then there is the current mortality data. Except for some places like China where data is unclear, the mortality rate is now very low. It is in situations like the current when we should be cautious about treatments that they are properly tested.

Preliminary and possibly anecdotal signals are pointing to a small Stroke risk with the bivalents. What should we make of that?. I would have wanted this to have been sorted out prior to release with done human trials, not just mice trials.

 

[RooFlyer]

However, at the population level, they matter because that's where signals appear as to efficacy/harm.

I refer:

But if there’s a booster vaccine, that will give me a small margin of additional comfort about not getting serious disease, especially when I’m going on holiday, I’d like to be in it if permitted to.

That’s all.

 

[drron]

But people are still dying from covid. What is everyone’s response to that? I’ve had an employee in China who was very sick and had to go to hospital to get treatment. Oxygen levels very low, hard to breathe ect..

And people are still dying from influenza. at least 4 Australians under 5 died of flu in 2022. more than the number of under 5s that died of covid.'
What is your response to that?

 

[Pushka]

But people are still dying from covid. What is everyone’s response to that? I’ve had an employee in China who was very sick and had to go to hospital to get treatment. Oxygen levels very low, hard to breathe ect..

Friends 9 year old daughter in the UK just returned home after 11 weeks in hospital having had part of her skull removed because she developed meningitis after a simple sinus infection from a simple cold. Her parents were told to expect the worst. She still needs to have her skull reattached - it's currently in her abdomen to keep it alive. The reason why these infections are running rampant in UK is because kids weren't socialising for the last two years and lost normal immunity to everyday bugs. What is your response to that?

Meliden girl returns home weeks after parents told she may not wake up from coma

“It’s amazing to think it’s only been a few weeks since we were told she wasn’t going to make it."

www.rhyljournal.co.uk

 

[Princess Fiona]

And people are still dying from influenza. at least 4 Australians under 5 died of flu in 2022. more than the number of under 5s that died of covid.'
What is your response to that?

There were 4 Covid deaths under 5 in 2022. 2 in NSW and one each in SA and QLD.

In any case, I agree with you.
People are dying of a multitude of things other than Covid.
Most of us have moved on.
Sadly I think the recent review article in Nature and subsequent massive publicity will keep the Twitter crowd going for a long time.

 

[Denali]

Friend got her first positive for Covid Dec 26th and was still testing positive on day 13. She said yesterday she feels like rubbish, very tired and cant work a full day.

 

[jakeseven7]

But people are still dying from covid.

Sure are, and will do so for the rest of all our lives too. Dying from lots of other diseases too that have been around a lot longer than covid.

 

[Quickstatus]

refer

I understand,
But without proper human trials what are we saying about the benefits and risks?.

The tragedy of oncology (instead of oncology insert pharmacology/medicine/etc)

 

[N860CR]

But people are still dying from covid. What is everyone’s response to that? I’ve had an employee in China who was very sick and had to go to hospital to get treatment. Oxygen levels very low, hard to breathe ect..

500 people die everyday in Australia. 30,000 in China. All of them died of “something”.

The fact that they’re not allowed to die while infected with covid without it being the end of the world really proves how people lapped up the hysteria.

 

[JohnK]

And people are still dying from influenza. at least 4 Australians under 5 died of flu in 2022. more than the number of under 5s that died of covid.'
What is your response to that?

Do not allow people out of their homes if they have contracted any type of virus. Flu virus is dangerous. Covid virus is dangerous. Why is this so difficult to understand?

Surely covid has taught us life should not be taken for granted? Looks like we've learnt nothing.

Any death that is avoidable should be avoided. Collateral damage is not acceptable. And if that means we continue testing before being allowed to leave home then that is what we need to do.

 

[jakeseven7]

And if that means we continue testing before being allowed to leave home then that is what we need to do.

But its not going to happen John, those days are long gone. Best to just relax and move on, do whatever you want to do yourself I guess.

 

[Quickstatus]

Any death that is avoidable should be avoided.

Road deaths are likely by one measure or another avoidable. Should we shut roads?

Do not allow people out of their homes

where are the other people living in those households going to go. Even in the Spanish flu pandemic, people were allowed to go outside.

The locking up of people is not new. It is the basis of quarantine. However quarantine comes with (often severe) unintended consequences. Much human suffering has arisen from quarantine. It is a tool not to be wielded lightly. It's best to be informed by the historical perspective when it comes to such proposals.

 

[JohnK]

But its not going to happen John, those days are long gone. Best to just relax and move on, do whatever you want to do yourself I guess.

Sorry mate but I'm struggling to understand who has decided we have to move on?

Is it the ones who have long covid? Or maybe it's the ones who have lost a loved one to covid? Or is it the ones described by @Denali above who have been suffering more than 3 weeks?

When people say we have moved on that requires some context. Yes I do realise that some people do not care if they get covid but I've seen nothing that gives me any confidence that this ordeal is over or that it should be over.

What worries me the most is the recklessness on display by those wishing to move on. It's fine if you want to move on. Do it please but shut up about it already.

And the things that worry me the most is people deciding how they manage the pandemic. There's a growing list of people who think it's OK to be and about with covid and if someone dies from their negligence it's tough luck.

@Quickstatus has mentioned road deaths. Yes they are avoidable but if someone shows gross negligence and kills someone on the road they are prosecuted. But if someone infected with covid passes it on to someone and that person dies that's tough luck? Knowing you had covid or didn't is totally irrelevant.

Seriously? If I had the chance I'd like to get off at the next stop.

 

[RooFlyer]

Seriously? If I had the chance I'd like to get off at the next stop.

As you keep saying, it’s only a simulation. So, what’s the worry?

 

[JohnK]

As you keep saying, it’s only a simulation. So, what’s the worry?

The worry is living in this nightmare people call reality.

 

[RooFlyer]

The worry is living in this nightmare people call reality.

But your view has been that it is a simulation - not reality!