Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[RooFlyer]

The Bivalent vaccine at best decreases infection by at best 40%. Within 100 days that has fallen to 20%. But in the initial Phase 3 trials if that had been the result they would not have been approved. The cut off point was 50%.

40% sounds an excellent number for me, about to go on a holiday for a month or two overseas. But I acknowledge the cost to the government of going through an approvals process of a vaccine that may have a limited target market.

. And what is happening around the world now? An increase in cardiac deaths particularly sudden death. It may be due to covid itself but then why didn'y this happen in the AZ and J&J trials.

Maybe a lag affect of people being locked up during the Covid years, and not seeking early intervention on various heart related and other issues (cheeky, I know, based on our conversation the other day).

"The most expensive price per dose paid by the government was for the recent purchase of bivalent booster doses from each manufacturer, including 105 million doses at $30.48 per dose from Pfizer and 66 million doses at $26.36 per dose from Moderna (or a weighted average price per dose of $28.89).

Again, in my case, I’m talking about bearing the retail cost of the vaccine and it’s being administered myself, but there are of course behind the scenes costs to the government of approval etc and I acknowledge that’s a hurdle if the vaccine has a limited target market. But say some vaccine is approved by the TGA for whatever reason then again. I’d hope there wouldn’t be substantial barriers to me getting it as a precautionary measure.

 

[drron]

40% sounds an excellent number for me, about to go on a holiday for a month or two overseas. But I acknowledge the cost to the government of going through an approvals process of a vaccine that may have a limited target market.



Maybe a lag affect of people being locked up during the Covid years, and not seeking early intervention on various heart related and other issues (cheeky, I know, based on our conversation the other day).

40% wouldn't have got them accepted in the initial Phase 3 trials.

And yes there definitely to me a lag effect that is increasing the excess death numbers now but can't be the reason for the results in this study. Non covid deaths increased in the mRNA trials but decreased in the attenuated viral trials.
Now it may not be a negative reason for the mRNA vaccines but that there is a positive effect from the viral vaccines which has been described before.
In Africa prior to the measles vaccine detahs from measles could reach 10% of the total. After the measles vaccine was introduced all cause mortality in the age groups affected by measles was down 50%.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Interested in your views on points raised by Prof Robert Clancy in the YT discussion I posted - esp the implications for immune tolerance due to repeated dosing with mRNA "vaccines" and the issues regarding dose and duration of response with mRNA vs traditional vaccines, and the point about the systemic distribution of antigen and its role in chronic inflamation?

I haven’t watched it.
I don’t really pay any attention to him to be honest.
Zoned out over the whole Ivermectin/ Hydroxychlroquine stuff.
Add in Craig Kelly, the AVN championing him etc. etc.

Way too far off piste for me.

 

[Tropic]

Way too far off piste for me.

Fair enought. Tbh, wasnt aware of his involvement in the "Ivermectin/ Hydroxychlroquine, Craig Kelly, AVN championing" stuff and not that interested anyway, but I thought he raised some valid points about the our level of knowledge and control over mRNA based therapy in its application to Covid. Thanks for responding anyway

 

[JohnK]

And this is the issue with hysteria, it removes logic. As many of us have been saying for a long time; “what is it that we’re actually scared of?”. Some clearly just cannot let go.

Stop it already.

Clearly quite a few people have serious issues with covid but you can't seem to understand or don't care.

Let's stop all restrictions we have in place for everything. No speed limits. No limits to drink driving. Stop trying to cure all diseases such as cancer, leukaemia etc. We're all going to die anyway right?

I really hate it when a group of people who have zero clue about anything decide the severity of what is a dangerous illness and what is not dangerous.

Covid is dangerous if left unchecked. No debate needed. Full stop.

 

[drron]

I haven’t watched it.
I don’t really pay any attention to him to be honest.
Zoned out over the whole Ivermectin/ Hydroxychlroquine stuff.
Add in Craig Kelly, the AVN championing him etc. etc.

Way too far off piste for me.

Though if you read twitter he said at the time i have never met Craig Kelly and i disagree with many of his views. As well I have always said HCQ and invermectin are no good by themselves and you should be vaccinated first.

So basically he was thrown to the wolves for daring to say something the establishment disagreed with.

And why did the 2 large randomised trials of Invermectin by the CDC and Oxford University suddenly stop with the only reason given that they couldn't get Invermectin when most of the world could source it easily?

 

[Princess Fiona]

Though if you read twitter he said at the time i have never met Craig Kelly and i disagree with many of his views. As well I have always said HCQ and invermectin are no good by themselves and you should be vaccinated first.

So basically he was thrown to the wolves for daring to say something the establishment disagreed with.

And why did the 2 large randomised trials of Invermectin by the CDC and Oxford University suddenly stop with the only reason given that they couldn't get Invermectin when most of the world could source it easily?

I did read Twitter and am aware that he distanced himself from that association.
In turn the University of Newcastle distanced themselves from him.

 

[N860CR]

I’m not sure if they point is directed to me - apologies if not, - but I was very careful to try and frame my question in a calm and considerate way ( see ‘framing’ in post 34,424) stating that I have no lingering fear of Covid but just had a genuine query. You’ll see that I’m not scared of Covid in the slightest. But I am wondering why I shouldn’t be allowed to have a booster that may improve my chances of having a less interrupted holiday, if it’s safe, and if I pay for it. Why should anyone else care about that?

No, not directed at you. I certainly have no issue with you having a booster every week, provided you pay for it (and don't cost the public health system a fortune if something goes horrible wrong!). I just don't see how (and there's no evidence to suggest how) it would improve your chances of a less interrupted holiday.

Stop it already.

Clearly quite a few people have serious issues with covid but you can't seem to understand or don't care.

Let's stop all restrictions we have in place for everything. No speed limits. No limits to drink driving. Stop trying to cure all diseases such as cancer, leukaemia etc. We're all going to die anyway right?

I really hate it when a group of people who have zero clue about anything decide the severity of what is a dangerous illness and what is not dangerous.

Covid is dangerous if left unchecked. No debate needed. Full stop.

No John, YOU need to stop it. Few people have serious issues and it's unreasonable for the rest of us to be paying for the hysteria of those who can't see logic. I am still yet to see what qualifies you as the be all and end all of infectious disease knowledge, as clearly, you are not.

 

[drron]

Stop it already.

Clearly quite a few people have serious issues with covid but you can't seem to understand or don't care.

Let's stop all restrictions we have in place for everything. No speed limits. No limits to drink driving. Stop trying to cure all diseases such as cancer, leukaemia etc. We're all going to die anyway right?

I really hate it when a group of people who have zero clue about anything decide the severity of what is a dangerous illness and what is not dangerous.

Covid is dangerous if left unchecked. No debate needed. Full stop.

Except your basic premise is wrong john. You overemphasise the negative and ignore the positives.
A recent study showed that the vast majority of people with long covid were symptom free after 12 months.

The virus now is far less serious than it was plus most people have at least some immunity even to the current variants.

 

[Quickstatus]

40%

Be careful what the 40% actually means

 

[sjk]

I thought he raised some valid points about the our level of knowledge and control over mRNA based therapy in its application to Covid

Perhaps you could summarize them rather than asking people to watch a 35-minute video of dubious provenance?

 

[Tropic]

Perhaps you could summarize them rather than asking people to watch a 35-minute video of dubious provenance?

Well I could've done that I guess but I thought better to hear it from the source...and besides, that would've removed the opportunity for you to provide your kind advice...

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

I’m sorry, I’m not aware of any government, at any time, saying that Covid vaccines will stop you getting the disease, and/or stopping you spreading it. Maybe a flaky third world government here and there, but certainly none of the rational Western governments. With the emphasis on rational

Feel free to tell me which governments you would find acceptable rather than me providing and you wearing your back out from lifting those heavy goal posts over and over

 

[JohnK]

Except your basic premise is wrong john. You overemphasise the negative and ignore the positives.
A recent study showed that the vast majority of people with long covid were symptom free after 12 months.

The virus now is far less serious than it was plus most people have at least some immunity even to the current variants.

Apologies but there are no positives to come out of this ordeal.

‘We’re all vulnerable’: One in 10 people will end up with long COVID, new study says

Around half of the people living with long COVID meet the criteria for chronic fatigue syndrome, according to the report.

www.google.com

If you believe this article, and I've now seen a few reports from different sources, this is quite serious.

And we still know very little. We need to continue drumming it into people this is serious. There are no pats on the back. If you're sick you must stay home.

 

[Tropic]

Reading the different viewpoints on AFF with the reassuring dulcet tones of Kamahl wafting out of the old GE Diplomat Modular Stereogram asking himself rhetorically, ..."why are people so unkind..."
A salient question indeed Kamahl my old friend...
Stay safe out there..

 

[drron]

Apologies but there are no positives to come out of this ordeal.

‘We’re all vulnerable’: One in 10 people will end up with long COVID, new study says

Around half of the people living with long COVID meet the criteria for chronic fatigue syndrome, according to the report.

www.google.com

If you believe this article, and I've now seen a few reports from different sources, this is quite serious.

And we still know very little. We need to continue drumming it into people this is serious. There are no pats on the back. If you're sick you must stay home.

John in my professional life I was a general physician working near regional centres with lots of sub specialists. That meant I got referred patients that they could not deal with effectively. So I saw lots of patients with chronic fatigue,ME,Pots and related conditions. There were definitely a substantial sub group with Supratentorial overlay. Plus I was able to find in a series of 100 patients another diagnosis that was overlooked such as Coeliac disease, thyroid disease, Haemochromatosis etc in 15% of the patients.
The funny thing is that one of the authors of the paper you linked was quite vocal in saying CFS,ME didn't exist.

 

[dajop]

Does anyone else find it ironic that there are number of people who can't move on from reminding people that we need to move on from COVID? Even though most of us have moved on.

 

[N860CR]

Does anyone else find it ironic that there are number of people who can't move on from reminding people that we need to move on from COVID? Even though most of us have moved on.

Except we haven’t. We are still requiring tests for people arriving into this country, masks are still mandated in certain settings, the tax payer is still footing the bill for PCR tests and multiple vaccination boosters, we still have repeated daily news articles in the taxpayer funded media about covid and we’ve still got covid-lovers lecturing us about how evil we all are.

So during the “pandemic” anyone who wanted a logical, rational response was labeled a conspiracy theorist, and now that the pandemic is over the same are being attacked for wanting a removal of the continued covid policies.

But you’re right, we’re the problem

 

[wandering_fred]

Does anyone else find it ironic that there are number of people who can't move on from reminding people that we need to move on from COVID? Even though most of us have moved on.

I suspect "new aspects" of the viral infection will continue to appear in new forms for many years.
And given one of the reported "hazards" of either the disease or the vaccine (or simply the spike protein) is accelerated cancer growth, moving on with out a continued (and enhanced) review of personal health may be "undesirable" (and perhaps fatal).
This malady will unfortunately continue wandering
Fred

PS Yes I lost a friend to seriously aggressive cancer this year. Advice: Do not skip health checks

 

[RooFlyer]

Feel free to tell me which governments you would find acceptable rather than me providing and you wearing your back out from lifting those heavy goal posts over and over

Given that this has absolutely nothing to do with what I came back to query, you’ll forgive me (or maybe not) if I just drop this part of the conversation. Make of make of that what you will, but I’m bored with this re-contesting of ancient history and totally disinterested with the irrelevance. But please go ahead in my absence.