Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[lovetravellingoz]

seems odd that they had plans to turn MCEC into a ICU facility. The US cities that had the Army Corps of Engineers turn convention centres into medical facilities were for non covid patients in order to get them out of hospitals and more ICU capacity into hospitals. The makeshift covid facilities in the US were converted from hotels, since it was more effective to turn hotel rooms into single patient isolation rooms then to get the needed air circulation measures into large expo halls.

Well firstly remember that it was not actually done. So they went with mainly hospitals in the end.

Secondly it was considered early on when much was still unknown about the virus. ie How many would be infected, how many hospitalised, how many in ICU etc...

So in March for example in they were very fearful that that just would not have anywhere near enough ICU and ventilators. These were the numbers that they were thinking about and planning for (but which have not eventuated):

"Then there's 20 per cent who will do worse. And they are the numbers that we are preparing for in our hospital system."

Here's what those numbers could look like under various infection rates across the population. We don't yet know what the infection rate will be, but NSW Health is preparing for the virus to infect 20 per cent of the state while Queensland Health is readying for 25 per cent this winter.





So without the surge they did not require the large but less desirable option at the Exhibition Buildings.

What was done was recommissioning hospitals that had ceased operating ( as mentioned above), accelerating other hospital wards that were nearing completion such as at Casey and Bendigo plus re purposing wards at the existing major hospitals. A pop up facility was added at Monash Clayton.

Longer term new wards were to be build fora number of the major hospitals. I don;t know the progess on those.

Thirdly both approaches were used.
NHS Nightingale Hospitals - Wikipedia were for CV19 patients.

In the USA in NY the Javits Centre one of the Corps built facilities was built for general patients, but then was changed to be for CV19 patients. Lightly used though.
The hospital ship , the Comfort, that was brought in was for general patients and was lightly used. They changed it to be also for CV19, but was lightly used. I believe part of the problem was logistics with ambulances.

Comfort, Javits Center Open Care to COVID-19 Patients

The Navy hospital ship USNS Comfort and the Defense Department-run alternate care facility at the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, both in New York City, are now taking patients with COVID-19,

www.defense.gov

Spain also used Exhibition Buildings to treat CV19 patients. The IFEMA exhibition center was built with a capacity of 3000, though in the end only treated 4000 patients in total.

Madrid's IFEMA field hospital closes after treating some 4,000 COVID-19 patients - Xinhua | English.news.cn

 

[dajop]

Well, some would call us ‘elitist’ who “hates” people who go to the footy.

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Shame the need the honorable member for Mitchell feels the need to continue to stoke the "culture wars" at this time. No problems with the PM having some time with his family, that criticism in unwarranted. But attending the footy, IMHO is fine if he was just the Member for Cook, or even the Premier of NSW. But he's the Prime Minister of Australia, not the Prime Minister of Sydney. A bit of empathy for /solidarity with the good and upstanding citizens of Melbourne would go a long way, I am sure many of them would love to go to the footy and have a beer last Saturday night, because they enjoy the footy and support their local team. But they couldn't even visit their mothers, fathers or children unless living with them.

 

[Seat0B]

Well SA have shut them out anyway...

When is the high court thing happening again?

From the other thread, I think it’s around end of July.

Edited: sorry just saw someone else’s earlier reply.

 

[teammongo]

Thanks, informative and makes sense.

What the news was talking scaremongering about was enough ICU beds to cover every current active case and have 2200 to spare.

The proposed total number of surge ICU beds in Australia is 2378. Approximately 33-50% of those beds are currently being used with the other 10000 reasons for ICU admission. Life goes on, as does trauma, strokes, heart attacks, sepsis, the list goes on and on..

The stated numbers are of COVID patients in ICU, not ICU occupancy.

TM

 

[Flying mermaid]

Geez. Israel's graph has gone crazy again and Govt says they've lost control.

A friend of mine posted a news item abut a Bat Mitzvah in Jerusalem in June with a 1,000 people many not wearing masks or social distancing. She has a lot of relatives in Israel so wasn’t impressed . Same problem as here - people get over confident, or don’t believe it’s real, break the guidelines and it spreads like topsy

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The proposed total number of surge ICU beds in Australia is 2378. Approximately 33-50% of those beds are currently being used with the other 10000 reasons for ICU admission. Life goes on, as does trauma, strokes, heart attacks, sepsis, the list goes on and on..

The stated numbers are of COVID patients in ICU, not ICU occupancy.

TM

Though the report dajop was referring too I believe was just 2000 in Victoria alone.

 

[dajop]

The proposed total number of surge ICU beds in Australia is 2378. Approximately 33-50% of those beds are currently being used with the other 10000 reasons for ICU admission. Life goes on, as does trauma, strokes, heart attacks, sepsis, the list goes on and on..

Yep, realise that, painfully aware of the need for ICU beyond just COVID. Channel 7 was talking about 4000 ICU beds for Victoria alone, and being rather dramatic about them not being ready.

 

[jakeseven7]

Coronavirus rubs its hands together in glee at Sydney’s doughnut crowd.... You couldn’t personally pay me to eat one of those saturated fat heart disease US franchise doughnuts but clearly lots still do!

Coronavirus fears as Krispy Kreme offer attracts large number of people across NSW

Police patrol Sydney Krispy Kreme stores as 'nonsensical' promotion attracts huge crowds

NSW Police attend a number of Krispy Kreme stores in Sydney to monitor social distancing after large crowds gathered to collect free doughnuts from a promotion authorities said "defied logic".

www.abc.net.au

 

[Flying mermaid]

Coronavirus rubs its hands together in glee at Sydney’s doughnut crowd.... You couldn’t personally pay me to eat one of those saturated fat heart disease US franchise doughnuts but clearly lots still do!

Coronavirus fears as Krispy Kreme offer attracts large number of people across NSW

Police patrol Sydney Krispy Kreme stores as 'nonsensical' promotion attracts huge crowds

NSW Police attend a number of Krispy Kreme stores in Sydney to monitor social distancing after large crowds gathered to collect free doughnuts from a promotion authorities said "defied logic".

www.abc.net.au

Posted that article two pages ago. . I tried one maybe 15 years ago - sweet cardboard was what it tasted like....(or at least what I imagine cardboard would taste like )

 

[DC3]

.... I tried one maybe 15 years ago - sweet cardboard was what it tasted like....(or at least what I imagine cardboard would taste like )

Nothing like being able to relive the halcyon days of those memorable gastronomic meals.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Posted that article two pages ago. . I tried one maybe 15 years ago - sweet cardboard was what it tasted like....(or at least what I imagine cardboard would taste like )

You are meant to eat what is inside the box, not the box itself

 

[jakeseven7]

Overnight the spread across NSW continues with more cases, one in a supermarket worker, store now closed for deep cleaning.

Gladys strongly communicates she will not be taking Sydney back into lockdown measures like Melbourne and “we have to learn to coexist”. She appears to have full support of her cabinet.

And in Vic, a link apparently Now established between the BLM Protest and the housing tower outbreak.

NSW: Mancini’s pizza, Woolworths Bowral hit with COVID-19

A Sydney pizza restaurant will close for three days after a customer tested positive for coronavirus amid reports a staff member at a Woolworths in Bowral was also confirmed to have the disease.
The team member reportedly last worked at Woolworths on Sunday, July 12 and had not developed any symptoms related to the virus.

Any customers who shopped at the store on the day have been urged to make contact with NSW Health should they feel unwell.

NSW Woolworths hit with COVID-19

A Sydney pizza restaurant customer and a Woolworths staff member at Bowral have tested positive for coronavirus.

www.news.com.au

No plans to lock down state, Gladys Berejiklian says

"As much as we'd love to have elimination, as much as we’d love to be able to be in that state, it's not going to happen in New South Wales.”

What we determined the best course in managing this pandemic is what we call a suppression strategy. Unfortunately what we all have to accept is that as restrictions have [released] and as people start to go back to work and to daily lives, we will see case numbers increase.

“Every time we have an outbreak, we can’t afford to lockdown, reopen, lockdown, reopen. That’s no way to live or to be able to instil confidence to businesses to keep employing people.”

Ms Berejiklian said this was why her Government had taken the time to expand their health capacity, gather the protective equipment needed for frontline workers and put processes in place “to make sure we can do what is required to contain the spread”.

Andrews-style lockdown not on the cards for NSW

Infections and fears for community transmission might be on the rise in New South Wales, but Premier Gladys Berejiklian has all but ruled out sending her state back into lockdown, saying it’s “no way to live”.

www.news.com.au

Black Lives Matter protest linked to tower cluster

Victorian health authorities have confirmed a link between two coronavirus cases in Black Lives Matter protest attendees and a cluster of at least 242 cases in Melbourne's public housing towers, The Australian reports

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

 

[Lynda2475]

Radio just mentioned that genomic testing showed a link between Melbourne outbreak and Crossroads Hotel vis the BlueMountains man (the first one diagnosed in the outbreak).

 

[Gremlin]

Story this morning about pax on a SYD-CNS flight yesterday. Flight departed before Qld declared Campbelltown and Liverpool COVID hotspots. Arrived after declaration came into effect at midday. Pax from those LGAs denied entry and put straight back on the plane to SYD. I completely get the decision, but it's hard not to feel for those impacted.

 

[Pushka]

Story this morning about pax on a SYD-CNS flight yesterday. Flight departed before Qld declared Campbelltown and Liverpool COVID hotspots. Arrived after declaration came into effect at midday. Pax from those LGAs denied entry and put straight back on the plane to SYD. I completely get the decision, but it's hard not to feel for those impacted.

That story has been replicated so many times in this pandemic. When Covid first struck, many US passengers boarded flights in the US to travel to Singapore for a cruise, flying via Hong Kong. Even though they didnt leave the plane as it was a technical stop in HK, Mid flight, cruise lines banned folks who had stayed or transited in HK. They arrived at the port after an overnight and lengthy flight, only to be told they could not get on the ship and had to fly home. Similarly UK passengers left the UK to fly to Singapore, transiting through Dubai. When they arrived in Singapore, they were told their cruise was not collecting them in Singapore but was being sent, empty, to Dubai where they were told they now had to fly (back) to, in order to get on their cruise.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Story this morning about pax on a SYD-CNS flight yesterday. Flight departed before Qld declared Campbelltown and Liverpool COVID hotspots. Arrived after declaration came into effect at midday. Pax from those LGAs denied entry and put straight back on the plane to SYD. I completely get the decision, but it's hard not to feel for those impacted.

The other issue is more generally travel and tourism providers giving more flexible T&Cs to allow refunds in this situation.

Say if you are affected and you were booked to go today. Qantas won’t be giving a refund on a red edeal class fare.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Morrison has just confirmed that the strain of virus at the Crossroads outbreak is the Victorian strain.

 

[Pushka]

Morrison has just confirmed that the strain of virus at the Crossroads outbreak is the Victorian strain.

And also Vic Health have confirmed some kind of relationship with the demonstration and the housing cluster.

 

[Lynda2475]

Morrison has just confirmed that the strain of virus at the Crossroads outbreak is the Victorian strain

The Blue Mountains guy is likley patient zero as he was in Vic 5 days before being at the crossroads.

If Hotel Quarantine had been enforced properly in Vic from day one, we wouldnt be having this spread now. I hope there are serious charges laif after the enquiry re all those who had a hand in this hotel quarantine debarcle.

 

[jakeseven7]

Two more pubs have shut down in Sydney this morning after confirming customers with coronavirus cases, as a cluster in the city continues to spread.

The Wests League Club and the Macarthur Tavern, both in the city’s south-west, have closed overnight after infected customers visited over the weekend.

Despite an increasing number of COVID-19 infections being linked to a Sydney pub cluster. NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has ruled out sending her state back into lockdown,