Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[JohnM]

Well, I'm certainly going to miss their historical context, if not their historical knowledge!

Well, if her/their/zir/hirs/eirs/vers/ters/eirs epidemiology knowledge and apparent lack of capacity or enthusiasm to apply it usefully equalled her/etc... lack of history knowledge and apparent capacity and enthusiasm to apply it non-usefully, it's hardly any wonder that the DPRV is in the mess it's in.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Are the ACT Police actually the AFP?

They would do it if asked, but doubt they would be too happy doing it

Yes - they are called “ACT Police” but it’s a portfolio within AFP.

 

[blackcat20]

The reason why I asked about the title 'professor' is why they still use it if they are now working for the DPRV Department of Health, not the university. Or is the DoH position on secondment from the university?

It would be an ongoing appointment with the university in conjunction with their "normal" job, usually they are affiliates.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Yes - they are called “ACT Police” but it’s a portfolio within AFP.

Arethey a large contingent? And/or scaleable to deal with a lockdown or closed borders?

 

[RAM]

From some of the reports that came out of NYC, would appear that is not a safe assumption.
Happy to hear from with those who have relevant stats

Some of the comorbidty factors in the US are very interesting to pull apart, and with such high community transmission it’s harder for some of the more prevalent vulnerable (eg overweight/obese, diabetic) to shelter.

1) Prior to capacity being exceeded the outcomes were different to once capacity (ICU & ventilators + fully trained staff) exceeded. Below is prior to capacity reached.

Easiest to break it into 2 parts - hospitalisations, & deaths.

For hospitalisations (based on Italy, Germany & US in 1st six weeks of mass cases respectively) - obesity was as great or a greater proportion than aged, especially in the US where the first 3 states left aged in homes (as NY did virtually the entire time until the publicity got too hot for Cuomo who then denied making the original order). For deaths

Mortality rates - Age was #1 variable with pre-existing conditions a very close #2. A large proportion (some places >70% {US}) of pre-existing conditions were due to/associated with obesity.
In the first 3 weeks of NY (prior to mid March) deaths had obesity outweighing (NO PUN intended but cannot think of better phrase) age, especially in The Bronx. I posted an article several days back (40 pages?) of one family where 5 died, of those in the family that survived one lost >20kg, another >15kg.

From the 'Never let an opportunity pass...'

If you've been thinking that it would be good to drop a couple of kgs but never quite got sufficiently revved up - now might be a really good time for MANY more reasons than just CV.

 

[Lynda2475]

@Pushka according to the ABC news website, Queensland premier has said " There will be no change to travellers from NT, SA, Tasmania and WA. " So you and your son should be fine to travel.

 

[Lynda2475]

News.com.au Reports that:

NSW records 12 new cases

New South Wales has reported 12 new cases over the past 24 hours, taking the state's total to 3631.

More than 22,000 people were tested yesterday, up from the 12,876 tests conducted on Monday.

There are 113 people in hospital, nine are in intensive care and six are ventilated.

NSW Health's Dr Christine Selvey said 86 per cent of the state's coronavirus cases were in non-acute, out of hospital care.

Of the 12 new cases reported to 8pm last night:

• one is a traveller in hotel quarantine
• 10 were locally acquired linked to known cases including two cases linked to the Thai Rock restaurant in Wetherill Park, two cases linked to the Apollo restaurant in Potts Point and six cases associated with the funeral gatherings cluster
• one is locally acquired with an unknown source

NSW Health also advised this morning that the case reported at the Kids Learning Academy in Busby was a child whose parent attended Mounties in Mount Pritchard, another Sydney cluster.

 

[Gremlin]

I've given it a bit of thought this morning and I reckon there's a fair degree of politicking going on with the Qld border announcement. Not saying it wasn't pre-emptively appropriate for all the health reasons stated but...

Yesterday Deb Frecklington (State Leader of the Opposition) tweeted that the Qld Govt needed to be tougher at the borders. At the time, I felt like that was a political misstep given the number of times she's challenged the Govt about how the borders should be opened.

And now BANG! The borders are closed. So where does that leave the LNP? Management of COVID is going to be THE deciding issue in the upcoming state election. Can they position it as "well, we wanted you to be harder, but not THAT hard"? I doubt it. Can they go back to calling for the borders to be opened again? Surely that'd be political suicide given the mood here and both the health and economic carnage being wrought in Victoria. What platform do they run on that's even remotely palatable that will now differentiate themselves?

I feel as if Labor just won the Qld State Election...

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I've given it a bit of thought this morning and I reckon there's a fair degree of politicking going on with the Qld border announcement. Not saying it wasn't pre-emptively appropriate for all the health reasons stated but...

Yesterday Deb Frecklington (State Leader of the Opposition) tweeted that the Qld Govt needed to be tougher at the borders. At the time, I felt like that was a political misstep given the number of times she's challenged the Govt about how the borders should be opened.

And now BANG! The borders are closed. So where does that leave the LNP? Management of COVID is going to be THE deciding issue in the upcoming state election. Can they position it as "well, we wanted you to be harder, but not THAT hard"? I doubt it. Can they go back to calling for the borders to be opened again? Surely that'd be political suicide given the mood here and both the health and economic carnage being wrought in Victoria. What platform do they run on that's even remotely palatable that will now differentiate themselves?

I feel as if Labor just won the Qld State Election...

So getting the NRL to possibly move north as well as a result of this hard border will be icing on the cake. (I’ve got no evidence whether the NRL will be subject or exempted from this hard border closure)

 

[Pushka]

@Pushka according to the ABC news website, Queensland premier has said " There will be no change to travellers from NT, SA, Tasmania and WA. " So you and your son should be fine to travel.

I’m fine to be honest if we can’t have our holiday but our son is going to do his biometrics for his UK visa on Monday and the only option for him on the UK website was Brisbane.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Arethey a large contingent? And/or scaleable to deal with a lockdown or closed borders?

It’s not a matter of “dealing” with it, it’s that a huge chunk of ACT’s population actually live in NSW. It would be like putting a hard border between Casula and Liverpool.

 

[Gremlin]

It’s not a matter of “dealing” with it, it’s that a huge chunk of ACT’s population actually live in NSW. It would be like putting a hard border between Casula and Liverpool.

...or between Coolangatta and Tweed Heads. Just sayin'...

 

[Flying mermaid]

...or between Coolangatta and Tweed Heads. Just sayin'...

Yes I know and Albury Wodonga . I don’t know the stats on how many people live on one side and work on the other, but Canberra would be huge. If you are going to give exemptions for tens of thousands to cross every day I kind of wonder what’s the point....

 

[jakeseven7]

Rumours about that NSW will announce more restrictions at 1pm...

 

[jase05]

I agree it’s going to be hard, but if they don’t the spread through NSW will eventually unfortunately by default swallow up the ACT too.

There are some new parts of Canberra such as Ginninderry where the border actually runs down the middle of suburban streets

 

[p--and--t]

The reason why I asked about the title 'professor' is why they still use it if they are now working for the DPRV Department of Health, not the university. Or is the DoH position on secondment from the university?

Others have jumped in the assist before I came back here.

Many academics retain honorary "Professorships" with Universities that they have previously been or currently are associated with regardless of whether they currently hold down an actual job there.

Also many retain the title as happens in some other roles. i.e. Jimmy Carter is still referred to as President Carter.

 

[dajop]

Unfortunately, there seems to be a woeful lack of lateral thinking in our leaders, whether it is dealing with border issues in such a way that is costing a huge amount of resources to police, or inability to effectively segregate those testing positive for COVID-19, maybe they need some independent people from the community to throw rocks at their ideas and get them out from their bubble. Maybe all sorts of things have been discussed and discounted or out in the too hard basket, but I’m sensing everyone in charge is just too close to the problem.

 

[RooFlyer]

Vic website where permits are obtained for 'work permits' crashed a couple of times, which I guess not really surprising, although the 'error message' given is:

 

[p--and--t]

A person in their 30s passed away from Covid yesterday in Vic . This is not just about oldies.

725 + 15

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

It’s not a matter of “dealing” with it, it’s that a huge chunk of ACT’s population actually live in NSW. It would be like putting a hard border between Casula and Liverpool.

I understand that. Given NSW is probably unable to resource a bubble border scenario, the border option is very unlikely and impractical

But ACT could impose a lockdown.

Not saying it should happen, just wonder whether ACT are even able

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A person in their 30s passed away from Covid yesterday in Vic . This is not just about oldies.

725 + 12

Unfortunately it never has been. THere have been quite a few younglings in ICu. But the wider group on the party scene are unlikely to take heed