Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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And they wonder why some flout the rules. There are no consequences. I’m betting he’s not paid the fines either. He’d be in jail if he was in SA.

Lucky there are no repeat offenders in SA...

South Australian Raza Rezai was accused of breaching quarantine orders (which is clearly a much more serious offence) five times after returning from interstate before he was remanded into custody

Another 26 year old woman was charged with three counts of failing to comply with a direction (to self-quarantine) and has been bailed (not jailed) to appear in the Adelaide Magistrates Court in October.
 
So NSW has 9 cases today and NZ has 13. Does this make NSW safer than NZ now? As the saying goes "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
 
Another 26 year old woman was charged with three counts of failing to comply with a direction (to self-quarantine) and has been bailed (not jailed) to appear in the Adelaide Magistrates Court in October.
If bailed then it means she was in remand (ie jail) until the court hearing which could be a few days later. So my point stands. She was put in jail. 😉
 
If bailed then it means she was in remand (ie jail) until the court hearing which could be a few days later. So my point stands. She was put in jail. 😉


Are you sure? I have never been through the process myself.

Who can apply for bail?
Any accused person may apply for bail.
An accused person can be released on bail (as opposed to being remanded in custody) after he or she has been charged with an offence.
There are other circumstances in which a person may be eligible to apply for bail.
In South Australia bail matters are regulated by the Bail Act, 1935.


The above would seem to suggest that anyone who has been charged with an offence can apply for bail to avoid be being remanded in custody and not just those people who are only in jail already.


The news story does not state that she was in jail.


Officers have also arrested a 26-year-old Adelaide woman who allegedly breached COVID-19 directions multiple times.
Police allege she left Adelaide last month when she was required to self-quarantine.
Upon returning to Adelaide yesterday, she was issued with a spot fine for the earlier breach of direction, and was issued a fresh direction to self-quarantine at her nominated address.
However, when officers attended that northern suburbs address later in the day, they allege the woman was not there.
They said they subsequently found her at another northern suburbs address.
They will further allege she had attended another eastern suburbs address prior to arriving at her home.
The woman has been charged with three counts of failing to comply with a direction and has been bailed to appear in the Adelaide Magistrates Court in October.
 
Are you sure? I have never been through the process myself.

Who can apply for bail?

Any accused person may apply for bail.


An accused person can be released on bail (as opposed to being remanded in custody) after he or she has been charged with an offence.

There are other circumstances in which a person may be eligible to apply for bail.

In South Australia bail matters are regulated by the Bail Act, 1935.



The above would seem to suggest that anyone who has been charged with an offence can apply for bail to avoid be being remanded in custody and not just those people who are only in jail already.


The news story does not state that she was in jail.


Officers have also arrested a 26-year-old Adelaide woman who allegedly breached COVID-19 directions multiple times.

Police allege she left Adelaide last month when she was required to self-quarantine.

Upon returning to Adelaide yesterday, she was issued with a spot fine for the earlier breach of direction, and was issued a fresh direction to self-quarantine at her nominated address.

However, when officers attended that northern suburbs address later in the day, they allege the woman was not there.

They said they subsequently found her at another northern suburbs address.

They will further allege she had attended another eastern suburbs address prior to arriving at her home.

The woman has been charged with three counts of failing to comply with a direction and has been bailed to appear in the Adelaide Magistrates Court in October.

Yes. Past life. Law Enforcement. ;) If you haven’t been arrested but reported then there is no need for police or court bail.
 
ABC NEWS is reporting that in Victoria "A Whittlesea man who stated he was in Richmond to visit work colleagues but could not produce appropriate documentation. The man has been fined nine times previously for breaching the Chief Health Officer’s directives"

How is this guy still able to move about the community? Surely he should be detained if unwilling to comply, clearly fines having zero effect on his behaviour!

If he really was there for drugs, should have stocked up just like going to the supermarket!
 
Yes. Past life. Law Enforcement. ;) If you haven’t been arrested but reported then there is no need for police or court bail.


I did not say that they had not been arrested. My understanding was she may have been in custody briefly which to mean means that they were not in jail. Perhaps that is semantics in how you and I view the term "in jail".

The context of you original post was that if he SA that the repeat offender would be in jail which I assumed you meant as a longer term state and not simply for a very brief period in custody. She is not in jail.

The SA woman was certainly not in custody for more than a brief period. The other case seemingly was not in custody till after the court case and so is only now in custody/jail.



However I do agree with the sentiment that the various penalties are not that much of a deterrent to some.


PS in SA
Police Bail
After being arrested, police will hold the offender in custody at a police station. Police can only hold an offender for a limited time.

They must either charge the person with an offence or release them. If they are charged they will have to appear in court.

The police will either release the person on police bail or hold the person in custody until their first court appearance.

This will usually be by 4.00pm on the next working day at the court closest to where the offence happened.
Courts do not operate on the weekend or on public holidays.

Police Bail covers the period between arrest and the first court appearance.

DCS does not become involved until after the person's first court appearance and do not manage people granted Police Bail. Police custody is not the same as being in prison.
 
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If they want people to wear masks, just make them mandatory....

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Sydney CCTV analysis reveals low compliance of mask wearing on public transport


The NSW government is using CCTV to monitor the number of people wearing face masks at five of Sydney's busiest railway stations, with Transport Minister Andrew Constance warning they could become mandatory if rates don't increase.

As the state recorded its first COVID-19 death in almost two weeks, Mr Constance on Thursday said only 30 per cent of people were adhering to government advice to wear masks on public transport.

Mr Constance said if the rate of mask-wearing on public transport didn't improve, it could soon become mandatory, with fines imposed for anyone who failed to comply.

 
If they want people to wear masks, just make them mandatory....

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Sydney CCTV analysis reveals low compliance of mask wearing on public transport


The NSW government is using CCTV to monitor the number of people wearing face masks at five of Sydney's busiest railway stations, with Transport Minister Andrew Constance warning they could become mandatory if rates don't increase.

As the state recorded its first COVID-19 death in almost two weeks, Mr Constance on Thursday said only 30 per cent of people were adhering to government advice to wear masks on public transport.

Mr Constance said if the rate of mask-wearing on public transport didn't improve, it could soon become mandatory, with fines imposed for anyone who failed to comply.

I dont understand the reluctance of all governments not to make masks mandatory in public places where social distancing is impossible. And on walks etc, shopping centres and so on. And of course information on how to wear and dispose of them. The number of times I see people wearing them, under their noses, then they fiddle with them, put them on and off, well, maybe thats the issue.
 
I was having a discussion this evening with a Melbourne based client. Due to the nature of their business, they are basically exempt from the restrictions but his observations were interesting. The essential point was that he was amazed as to how many people are moving about, compared with the first lock down. He's armed with a wad of paper-work, justifying his travel, but apparently he's yet to use any of it. No police, no stops to check reasons for travelling.
Obviously anecdotal, but I'm wondering if the observations of others in Melbourne can flesh out the picture?

Going on my morning CBD & park walks around 10am each day (yes under 60mins within 5km and with a mask), there is no need to wait at traffic lights to cross, most times there are no cars in either direction approaching the intersection.

The majority of vehicles I see are commercial vehicles, not regular private sedans.

I have come across two police traffic check points within walking distance of home stopping all vehicles and each day roaming groups of police and ADF on foot stopping people walking on the street and asking them for ID to prove where they live.

So quiet at night after curfew just realised after 15 years the heater in the lounge thermostat makes a clicking sound I've never detected before.
 
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The Age (and news.com.au echoing it) reports it was a Rydges night duty manager that became infected, rather than a contracted security guard.

If so, that would blunt the intense focus on those guards and poor management of them as the single cause of the second wave.


I think though that the source of this info (leaked emails) needs more corroboration, like that much-talked about genomic sequencing. Too early to say that using police or ADF instead of those private guards would have changed things, because you still need hotel staff that know their own hotel to be involved


Just on the night manager being the possible (though it seems probable) source of the second wave: It does seem to reference particular dates and email extracts. If accurate it certainly puts an entirely different spin on things.

Also note that ADF and police were not normally used instead of security guards outside of Victoria, but in addition to them. So not knowing what the night manager's duties were the question would be, would have the presence of police or ADF have had them performing their duties any differently? Most probably not and especially when in NSW there are pics of sleeping security guards at hotels that had police/ADF.


The genomic sequencing is still very much relevant as it shows that the second wave is from an entirely new source and it will most have linked the night manager to the guards, to the other cases at large. It may not have linked it to a person in quarantine though as:
  • That infected person may not have given a sample
  • And if they did, not all samples can be used to grow the virus to allow the genomic sequencing (NZ may have this same problem at present where their second wave may also have been from a similar quarantine breach).

The lack of training of security guards is still an issue and matters such as mingling, carpooling etc, but it may well be more now that it assisted in speeding up of the transmission rate rather than having in itself have started the second wave.
 
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No idea about this guy but Ive wondered how drug addicts are managing the restrictions. Do their dealers deliver or they have to risk fines to go out and find drugs?

Unfortunately yes, dealers are very enterprising and offer delivery services. These days they'll tend to have a menu that they will send you, which you can order off and even bargain down the price a bit if you're buying enough.

If he really was there for drugs, should have stocked up just like going to the supermarket!

Reports over here that stockpiling was happening, some 'dealers' even had to resort to 'rationing'!

And no, I don't partake but I've been close to someone to unfortunately know what's going on in that space.
 
No idea about this guy but Ive wondered how drug addicts are managing the restrictions. Do their dealers deliver or they have to risk fines to go out and find drugs?
One of the little facts that I have learn't working in regional Australia but in SA and NSW at least low level drug couriers are given non custodial sentences if caught.however they must wear a bracelet or ankle device.One of the places that they are allowed to be is at hospital.So they go there.check in to the ED and then go and sit in the car park and telling the clients where they are who do the same.So in theory not flouting lockdown laws either.

At one SA hospital a wise ED nurse told me that if a fellow walks into the ED with 2 phones he is having an affair.If he has 3 or more phones he is a drug dealer.
 
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NSW total community transmission (unknown source) since before Crossroads has continued to bubble along and now hit 20. The ageing report indicating 13 in the past fortnight (8 past week, 5 the week before that), leaving 7 Community transmission cases older than 14 days.

In my view, the mystery cases are taking a bit too long to resolve in tracking upstream. NSW doing reasonably ok in tracking downstream and ending generations.

Confirmed cases to date
By likely source of infectionCount
Overseas
2,053​
Interstate acquired
88​
Locally acquired – contact of a confirmed case and/or in a known cluster
1,225​
Locally acquired – contact not identified
381​
Under investigation
0​
Total
3,747​
Counts reported for a particular day may vary over time with ongoing enhanced surveillance activities.
 
Today's Vic DHHS Report.


Media release
14 August 2020

Victoria has recorded 372 new cases of coronavirus since yesterday, with the total number of cases now at 16,234.
The overall total has increased by 371 due to one case being reclassified.

Within Victoria, 87 of the new cases are linked to outbreaks or complex cases and 285 are under investigation.
There have been 14 new deaths from COVID-19 reported since yesterday: One man in his 20s, three women and two men in their 80s and four women and four men in their 90s.

12 of the 14 new deaths are linked to known outbreaks in aged care facilities. To date, 289 people have died from coronavirus in Victoria.
In Victoria at the current time:

  • 3119 cases may indicate community transmission
  • 7877 cases are currently active in Victoria
  • 659 cases of coronavirus are in hospital, including 41 in intensive care
  • 7842 people have recovered from the virus
  • More than 1,914,400 tests have been processed – an increase of 18,908 since yesterday
Of the total cases:
  • 14,897 cases are from metropolitan Melbourne, while 984 are from regional Victoria
  • Total cases include 7805 men and 8365 women
  • Total number of healthcare workers: 2208 active cases: 1188
  • There are 2034 active cases relating to aged care facilities
Active aged care outbreaks with the highest coughulative case numbers are as follows:
  • 203 cases have been linked to Epping Gardens Aged Care in Epping
  • 187 cases have been linked to St Basil’s Homes for the Aged in Fawkner
  • 154 cases have been linked to Estia Aged Care Facility in Ardeer
  • 130 cases have been linked to Kirkbrae Presbyterian Homes in Kilsyth
  • 123 cases have been linked to BaptCare Wyndham Lodge Community in Werribee
  • 108 cases have been linked to Outlook Gardens Aged Care Facility in Dandenong North
  • 101 cases have been linked to Estia Aged Care Facility in Heidelberg
  • 91 cases have been linked to Twin Parks Aged Care in Reservoir
  • 90 cases have been linked to Arcare Aged Care Facility in Craigieburn
  • 83 cases have been linked to Glendale Aged Care Facility in Werribee
In Victoria there are currently 87 active cases in residential disability accommodation.
  • Total Resident cases: 21; Total Staff cases: 66
  • Active cases in NDIS homes: 62 (18 residents)
  • Active cases in ‘transfer’ homes (State regulated/funded*): 24 (3 residents)
  • Active cases in state government delivered and funded homes: 1
Cases currently linked to key outbreaks are as follows:
  • 203 cases have been linked to Bertocchi Smallgoods in Thomastown
  • 83 cases have been linked to Australian Lamb Company in Colac
  • 61 cases have been linked to the Woolworths Distribution Centre in Mulgrave
  • 48 cases have been linked to Golden Farms Poultry in Breakwater
  • 26 cases have been linked to Hazeldene’s Chicken Farm in Bendigo
The department is also investigating cases linked to Werribee Mercy.
 
So NSW has 9 cases today and NZ has 13. Does this make NSW safer than NZ now? As the saying goes "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
I like your positive thinking....lol

Current total active cases and total community transmission in the current wave puts NSW in the worse category. As well as NSW self-iso v NZ MIQ. Once Dooleys (apparently quite a large club, with 2 positive employees as I understand it) gets put through the wringer the daily new cases might come back up.
 
I think there was more than a hint of sarcasm in SydneySwan's post.

Dooley's is big - more like one of the league's clubs (or a mini casino). I'm surprised they weren't able to narrow down the exposure to a particular bar or restaurant or gaming area.
 
ABC NEWS is reporting that in Victoria "A Whittlesea man who stated he was in Richmond to visit work colleagues but could not produce appropriate documentation. The man has been fined nine times previously for breaching the Chief Health Officer’s directives"

How is this guy still able to move about the community? Surely he should be detained if unwilling to comply, clearly fines having zero effect on his behaviour!
...and quite likely an unlicensed driver banned from driving until 2028 or so....

Meanwhile the 'debt collectors' are sent around to collect 'robodebts'.

There are those who know how the system works - and abuse it massively and then there are those who try their best to do the right thing (most of the time).

Guess which group causes society more trouble?
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Speaking of trouble....

With all the disturbing information coming out from the latest round of the Aged Care Royal Commission....

A well-informed individual mentioned that perhaps NSW is more exposed to an increase in 'serious' CV cases due to some cost saving introduced by the then State Govt in 2007. It seems that 'true' infectious diseases safe bed numbers can be counted with one's fingers at Sydney's major hospitals. The recent (2020) expansion of ICU capacity has (according to reports) not involved any new real construction - just repurposing of existing spaces.

WHY?

Only single digit number of beds at each major hospital have their own self-contained -ve pressure air conditioning ducted enclosure to prevent cross-contamination. Otherwise there is very little difference between the hospitals & the nursing homes (other than staff qualifications). The air-con is a daisy-chain system going along multi-opening ducting. This was identified some years ago by an exercise conducted at Sydney Airport with a flight arriving that contained travellers with an extremely infectious disease - how prescient! Pity there was no funding to rectify the multiple issues uncovered since then.

However with 44% of hospital staff incorrectly taking off their masks & close to 80% not disposing of them 'safely' - things can easily go wrong if we're unlucky.

For example, a number of shift change conferences are still conducted in the same meeting rooms (say 4m x 3m) with that ward's 14 nurses going off-shift in the room together with the 14 nurses about to start - with the 14 about to start not wearing masks yet (protocol - only put on before approaching patient if applicable) and virtually all of the leaving nurses not wearing a mask either. 28 people into 12 sq metres (including tables) does not provide much social distancing opportunity.

Hopefully there are many major hospitals where this is not happening.

Perhaps explains why there are 1,000+ hospital staff in Vic who have tested +ve (close to 1 in 6 of active cases) BUT still claimed by Vic CMO that they did not contract it at their workplace despite the claims that nearly all non-hospital cases are from their non-hospital workplaces.

Common sense continues to not be so common these days.
 
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I am wondering whether NSW is focussing on the right type of transmission locations.........is it just restaurants, cafes, pubs, clubs, funeral / religious, gyms, schools, workplaces, perhaps shopping centres?

If the Victorian experience is right and they only found 6 asymptomatic cases (I don’t know how many turned up for a test without symptoms), I wonder why NSW haven’t found the upstream sources of about 7 Community transmission (unknown source) from more than two weeks ago. To me 7 seems to be quite a large number. I guess it does matter less since the unidentified source is probably not infectious now, but it does make me wonder whether NSW has uncovered all the right types of transmission locations.
Apparently they are now looking at flights from Canberra. Flights from Melbourne had to land at the international terminal for processing, but flights from Canberra were deemed Ok. However apparently people from Melbourne could fly via Canberra......since yesterday the flights from Canberra are getting greater scrutiny.
 
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