Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[RooFlyer]

They do, but people really need to start thinking for themselves a little more, too. It’s stunning that people who are so engaged with the issue can be so repeatedly sucked in by lazy or manipulative reporting.

Or indeed government spin

 

[jb747]

From Presser: On Masks; Rules stay for now.

Not a surprise as I think all were expecting this.

Whilst I still find myself forgetting this occasionally, I'm actually staggered by just how casual the attitude is just over the river (in Albury). A mask is a very minor inconvenience compared to everything else that has been going on.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Independent analysis (from any of the media outlets) vs government spin, for a start. If you believe everything the government tells you, I've got a bridge you might be interested in.

You are off on a tangent.

It was not a matter of commentary or analysis, opinion, or even spin by any party but was a reply on what was said at the Presser in relation in relation to the 1000 tests and the announcement on restrictions..

It was clearly stated yesterday that after the results of the additional thousand tests were known that they would then assess the restrictions.​

was answering the question below:

Will these numbers include the 1000 tests that prevented the release of restrictions yesterday?

Also both Sutton and Weimar both said at the presser that they had both asked for the delay till after the additional tests. So again just a matter of record.

 

[RooFlyer]

Independent analysis (from any of the media outlets) vs government spin, for a start. If you believe everything the government tells you, I've got a bridge you might be interested in.

You are off on a tangent.

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No, I don't think I am, thanks. Perhaps you meant "I think you are off tangent ..."? If you have a different opinion, it doesn't make it a fact.

The point I was making, is that if you believe everything the government tells you, you might be misled. I wouldn't have thought that was a controversial statement.

 

[dajop]

.... is that if you believe everything the any particular government tells you, you might be misled. ....

One correction, and this becomes an empiric rule for non-biased political observers and cynics the world over ...

 

[lovetravellingoz]

No, I don't think I am, thanks. Perhaps you meant "I think you are off tangent ..."? If you have a different opinion, it doesn't make it a fact.

The point I was making, is that if you believe everything the government tells you, you might be misled. I wouldn't have thought that was a controversial statement.

It might not be controversial , but it was entirely unrelated to my post that you quoted.

And I question pretty much everything that I see, hear or read. Whether that be from government, the media or posts on this forum.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Nsw mystery case watch

Today’s reports indicate:
- 0 in the past 7 days
- 3 in the period 8-14 days
- 1 in the period 15-28 days
- 29 older than 28 days but since before Crossroads emerged.

So some natural ageing in the last 48 hour reporting period.

Nsw mystery case watch

Today’s reports indicate:
- 0 in the past 7 days
- 3 in the period 8-14 days
- 1 in the period 15-28 days
- 30 older than 28 days but since before Crossroads emerged.

Not sure how an extra mystery case turned up in the last 48 hour reporting period (perhaps that blood test that picked up a case from July), but it’s older than 28 days.

I think Thursday is when the 3 cases in the 8-14 day period will move to the 15-28 day bracket through natural ageing, if not linked earlier.

 

[RooFlyer]

It might not be controversial, but in my opinion it was entirely unrelated to my post that you quoted.

Italic script added. May I suggest dajop's post above.

But hey, on a such a great day for Victoria, who cares 🏖

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

So I think Nationally there has been 1 new local case, with the other 8 cases in NSW, WA, SA being from international quarantine.

Active cases still hovering in the low 200s, but a good proportion (my guess/feel about 30-40%) from international quarantine

Edit: it’s probably 50% active cases are from international quarantine - after further reflection I think NSW numbers have been about 80-90% from international quarantine in recent weeks.

 

[antycbr]

So I think Nationally there has been 1 new local case, with the other 8 cases in NSW, WA, SA being from international quarantine.

Active cases still hovering in the low 200s, but a good proportion (my guess/feel about 30-40%) from international quarantine

When compared to international rates our numbers are a miracle for which we should be thankful.
One case in the community out of 25 million people.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

When compared to international rates our numbers are a miracle for which we should be thankful.
One case in the community out of 25 million people.

Agree with the sentiment.

Should we say 1 local case in 30,000 tests.....lol???

 

[Flying mermaid]

Thank you an, interesting article.

On hospitals, performance seems to have been quite variable. At my daughter's hospital they have had very few cases, all were contained and none spread outside of the immediate transmission, and that is with having at time multiple covid wards of various types in operation. The main problems that occurred were from random patients including one who went for covid test, and then went to the hospital for a procedure and only advised staff of the test (ie they deliberately were not truthful) after the procedure was completed. That put into quarantine 4 staff.

Other hospital's have had quite large clusters. Where my niece was the cluster was very large


Though

The northern suburbs outbreak that has delayed confirmation of Melbourne's next step out of lockdown has been traced back to the Box Hill Hospital outbreak, which began in early October.

is probably misleading going on the text and the graphic (see below) where it is just one group (and one of the smallest groups) within the Northern Outbreak that relate to EPIC rather than being a link to all Nothern outbreak cases that have a geographic link to EPIC.. The north metro family cluster, which included the Year 5 student, is across 6 households).

I might have misunderstood yesterdays' presser but I thought that the delay was more around the geographically linked, but not linked by transmission EPIC cases, as they were fearful that there could be unknown transmission chains still being very active. Whereas apart from the cases in the Croxton group the other cases were all contained., and that Croxton group is now contained as well.

Still one good thing about the links below is it means that the mother in the Croxton group is not a mystery case. So again in itself would not be a reason to have delayed the announcement unless the link was only made after the presser.


The hospital outbreak started when a patient on the coronavirus ward infected two staff members.

One of the staff later worked on another ward before the onset of their symptoms. They then gave the virus to a patient and a nurse.

The nurse brought it home to her household at Heidelberg Heights in Melbourne's north and infected seven others.

From that home, the virus spread to East Preston Islamic College, Croxton School at Northcote, and an aged care home.





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My daughter has a number of friends who are doctors working in hospitals in Melbourne and they have been unhappy with the protocols for wearing of PPE. Dr FM said they were similar to the protocols which she had in London which were changed in May to allow more generous wearing of P2 masks. Anyway the main thing is with fewer Covid patients in hospitals fewer chances for things to go wrong.

 

[jakeseven7]

When compared to international rates our numbers are a miracle for which we should be thankful.
One case in the community out of 25 million people.

It's only a miracle because of the sacrifice that our VIC mates have made for us all.

Thank you VIC and congrats on DONUT day

 

[dajop]

My daughter has a number of friends who are doctors working in hospitals in Melbourne and they have been unhappy with the protocols for wearing of PPE. Dr FM said they were similar to the protocols which she had in London which were changed in May to allow more generous wearing of P2 masks. Anyway the main thing is with fewer Covid patients in hospitals fewer chances for things to go wrong.

The whole infection control procedures, whether it is aged care, hospitals or hotel quarantine are the common thread, and probably warrant much more attention than they have been getting. For months, there's been an intense focus on "who made the decision" (about private security), whereas it may not have mattered that PS were in quarantine hotels, if infection control procedures (and training & supervision of those procedures) had been up to scratch.

 

[jakeseven7]

The whole infection control procedures, whether it is aged care, hospitals or hotel quarantine are the common thread, and probably warrant much more attention than they have been getting. For months, there's been an intense focus on "who made the decision" (about private security), whereas it may not have mattered that PS were in quarantine hotels, if infection control procedures (and training & supervision of those procedures) had been up to scratch.

We have the same feedback from doctors in NSW and QLD on the protocols on PPE. Probably warrants a national look-see....

 

[dajop]

Probably warrants a national look-see....

National? What's that?

 

[RooFlyer]

Thank you VIC and congrats on DONUT day

Just beat me to it!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Not only was Vic Zero new cases today, but it was actually minus two cases due to classifications.

So the total of daily confirmed cases went down by two.

 

[MelMel]

Another double doughnut day for Melbourne

 

[lovetravellingoz]

And if no new Mystery cases tomorrow the trigger will drop to 3 meaning that both target triggers will have been met within only days of the original target date.