Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[lovetravellingoz]

Vic Presser.

Metro Melbourne Home Visits.

Only one household visit per day from one other household whether you visit, or have been visited. (So if you partner or child has a visitor, but you do not that is a household visit and you cannot then have an additional visitor for you)

Limit of two adults and dependants (ie young children or say an elderly parent) from that one household. ie Cannot be two single adults from two different households that visit.

No time limit. ie Guests can stay all day.

This will restriction will last longer than 8 Nov. It will go, but no date given or planned as yet.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

NSW Health

@NSWHealth

Replying to
@NSWHealth
The two new locally acquired cases are household contacts of previously reported cases linked to the Oran Park community cluster. They have been in isolation. There are now 25 cases linked to this cluster.

 

[andye]

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NSW Health

@NSWHealth

Replying to
@NSWHealth
The two new locally acquired cases are household contacts of previously reported cases linked to the Oran Park community cluster. They have been in isolation. There are now 25 cases linked to this cluster.

Another ICU patient I see

 

[blackcat20]

Vic Presser.

Metro Melbourne Home Visits.

Only one household visit per day from one other household whether you visit, or have been visited. (So if you partner or child has a visitor, but you do not that is a household visit and you cannot then have an additional visitor for you)

Limit of two adults and dependants (ie young children or say an elderly parent) from that one household. ie Cannot be two single adults from two different households that visit.

No time limit. ie Guests can stay all day.

This will restriction will last longer than 8 Nov. It will go, but no date given or planned as yet.

And the 25km restriction is in place for visitors/visiting until Nov 8.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

And the 25km restriction is in place for visitors/visiting until Nov 8.

Yes the everyone in Melbourne is still subject to the 25km rule unless for essential reasons such as work (where attendance at the workplace needs to happen and work from home does not apply) or a reason such as medical, care for a relative etc.

Optional activities such as visits, cafes, exercise shopping etc all have to be within 25km.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

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And if no new Mystery cases tomorrow the trigger will drop to 3 meaning that both target triggers will have been met within only days of the original target date.

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One of the journos asked why mystery cases had dropped by one (ie 7 to 6) when they were not due to. However based on the data of yesterday there was one case that was meant to drop off today. ie 1 on 10th Oct is not in today's range of 11-24 Oct. Sutton did not mention this in his reply which was surprising, though he did say it was reviewed daily and so perhaps he was not in that last daily meeting. He did say that there was no new mystery case in today's figures.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

It was said today that the Covidsafe app in Vic had not identified any new cases that were not already identified by contact tracing.

Some seem to be taking this as it has not identified anyone. Which is not the same thing.

In NSW evidently 17 cases (which is only a small number) have been detected by the app that contact tracing did not first identify. And if I heard correctly (not from Presser but of another interview) only only 80 in total, which is also a small number.

However as Victoria had in place many more restrictions that prevented, or minimised, the mixing of random people (ie pubs, restaurants (ignoring take away), gyms all not open), is such a result really that surprising? Plus mask wearing has been a lot more prevalent in Vic for settings where you do have random mixing such as shopping or public transport.

 

[p--and--t]

If you hadn't noticed, the QLD CHO has been 'parked' from commentating on this matter with her border clock now somewhat muffled....and to your point @Lynda2475, the caretaker QLD government has been slowly backpedalling over the last week on it as well.

Regardless of the result next week, I suspect the 28 day rule will be shelved..... (my reading of the tea leaves up here)....

Well regardless of the QLD eventual decision on borders, traders in QLD have and will be missing out on our $$$. Due to the constant uncertainty and outrageous remarks that have at times come out Brisbane, I have now canceled three trips (2xFNQ, 1xGC) and deferred making any more bookings to that state. We will be heading to NSW for our next trip (as soon as we are allowed & can get some time off work - crossing fingers for November 8th announcements) followed by trips to SA for family commitments over the festive season. QLD might, just might, get a look in next winter for family and for our annual escape from Melbourne cold, but other more welcoming places have moved up the list and will likely get a guernsey first.

 

[RooFlyer]

other more welcoming places have moved up the list and will likely get a guernsey first.

Here here. Plus interstaters to QLD also have to bear in mind that they are not welcome at Queensland hospitals if they fall ill (in any way).

 

[N860CR]

Here here. Plus interstaters to QLD also have to bear in mind that they are not welcome at Queensland hospitals if they fall ill (in any way).

On the subject of unfortunate comments by some of Queensland’s elected representatives, I was glad to see the nurses union is taking action against those who publicly attacked the poor Rockhampton nurse earlier in the year. I can only imagine the way she was treated by the townsfolk after the barrage of media conferences effectively accusing her of being an enemy of the state and hopefully she is adequately compensated.

Surprising to see both the deputy premier and the Keppel member continuing with their behaviour today.

 

[RooFlyer]

Tas Premier Gutwein just announced in a press conference (AKA a "presser") that NSW will go into the Tas 'low risk' category from 6 November, meaning no quarantine required on arrival from there.

He also gave the Tas definition of 'low risk jurisdiction' - less than 5 unexplained community transferred cases in 28 days.

The public messaging / reminders of COVID-safe practices has been considerably increased in the past few days, after borders to ACT, WA, QLD, SA and ACT opened yesterday.

CHO Dr Veitch went through what's being done about preparedness, case surveillance etc. Testing in Tas currently low - lowest for months. He noted that people were more relaxed in their behaviours at the moment (I think, as is appropriate under the circumstances).

Made the sensible observation that if there is a case in someone from, say, SA, it is very likely to first occur in SA, not someone from SA who has arrived in Tas. One of the few comments not designed to scare people that I've heard from him.

Asked about opening to Victoria - gave definition for low risk jurisdiction above. No distinction between mero and regional Victoria; says going for simplicity and conservative. BUT if Vic somehow can't reach the Tas hurdle, then they may look at Local Government Area breakdowns, which is useful.

I think Dr Veitch's attitude has changed a bit from the last time I listened to him, about a month ago (when we were still 2 months into no cases). Less invoking of frightening scenarios, less stonewalling on questions etc, more optimistic. Hopefully that reflects greater confidence of his in the background processes and responses, so he and his advice can be more relaxed. He said he personally has been going around to see if venues etc are collecting contact info when they are supposed to - not as good as he wanted. Asked why this collection isn't mandatory and sanctions applied for no compliance. Conceded that it probably should have been mandated. Looking at how it could be mandated. Should have done this before they opened the borders!

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Tas Premier Gutwein just announced in a press conference (AKA a "presser") that NSW will go into the Tas 'low risk' category from 6 November, meaning no quarantine required on arrival from there.

He also gave the Tas definition of 'low risk jurisdiction' - less than 5 unexplained community transferred cases in 28 days.

The public messaging / reminders of COVID-safe practices has been considerably increased in the past few days, after borders to ACT, WA, QLD, SA and ACT opened yesterday.

CHO Dr Veitch went through what's being done about preparedness, case surveillance etc. Testing in Tas currently low - lowest for months. He noted that people were more relaxed in their behaviours at the moment (I think, as is appropriate under the circumstances).

Made the sensible observation that if there is a case in someone from, say, SA, it is very likely to first occur in SA, not someone from SA who has arrived in Tas. One of the few comments not designed to scare people that I've heard from him.

Asked about opening to Victoria - gave definition for low risk jurisdiction above. No distinction between mero and regional Victoria; says going for simplicity and conservative. BUT if Vic somehow can't reach the Tas hurdle, then they may look at Local Government Area breakdowns, which is useful.

I think Dr Veitch's attitude has changed a bit from the last time I listened to him, about a month ago (when we were still 2 months into no cases). Less invoking of frightening scenarios, less stonewalling on questions etc, more optimistic. Hopefully that reflects greater confidence of his in the background processes and responses, so he and his advice can be more relaxed. He said he personally has been going around to see if venues etc are collecting contact info when they are supposed to - not as good as he wanted. Asked why this collection isn't mandatory and sanctions applied for no compliance. Conceded that it probably should have been mandated. Looking at how it could be mandated. Should have done this before they opened the borders!

So I guess that means 4 mystery cases in 28 days.

I think Victoria hits 4 mystery cases over 14 days soon, so they can start a border clock countdown.

It would be good to know if this low risk definition is for raising borders/quarantine and/or easing as well.

IT might be a workable definition - NSW been on 4 for a while.....(it’s a hard one to track back on the NSW mystery case watch on this thread lol)

Edit: I should add that hopefully some leeway needs to be included because I do think NSW had a big clump of unknowns (more than 5 from memory) straight after the October long weekend - perhaps 5 days to resolve some more complex cases.

 

[jakeseven7]

Tas Premier Gutwein just announced in a press conference (AKA a "presser") that NSW will go into the Tas 'low risk' category from 6 November, meaning no quarantine required on arrival from there.

He also gave the Tas definition of 'low risk jurisdiction' - less than 5 unexplained community transferred cases in 28 days.

The public messaging / reminders of COVID-safe practices has been considerably increased in the past few days, after borders to ACT, WA, QLD, SA and ACT opened yesterday.

CHO Dr Veitch went through what's being done about preparedness, case surveillance etc. Testing in Tas currently low - lowest for months. He noted that people were more relaxed in their behaviours at the moment (I think, as is appropriate under the circumstances).

Made the sensible observation that if there is a case in someone from, say, SA, it is very likely to first occur in SA, not someone from SA who has arrived in Tas. One of the few comments not designed to scare people that I've heard from him.

Asked about opening to Victoria - gave definition for low risk jurisdiction above. No distinction between mero and regional Victoria; says going for simplicity and conservative. BUT if Vic somehow can't reach the Tas hurdle, then they may look at Local Government Area breakdowns, which is useful.

I think Dr Veitch's attitude has changed a bit from the last time I listened to him, about a month ago (when we were still 2 months into no cases). Less invoking of frightening scenarios, less stonewalling on questions etc, more optimistic. Hopefully that reflects greater confidence of his in the background processes and responses, so he and his advice can be more relaxed. He said he personally has been going around to see if venues etc are collecting contact info when they are supposed to - not as good as he wanted. Asked why this collection isn't mandatory and sanctions applied for no compliance. Conceded that it probably should have been mandated. Looking at how it could be mandated. Should have done this before they opened the borders!

Tassie got the jump on QLD.... that's a little embarrasing for us (no offence to the Tasmanians!)..... May they enjoy the tourism dollars ahead of us!

5 mystery cases over 28 days is still quite a hurdle to acheive.... NSW (or VIC) could easily break that.... and then what happens.... do they shut the borders again?....

 

[Flying mermaid]

Tassie got the jump on QLD.... that's a little embarrasing for us (no offence to the Tasmanians!)..... May they enjoy the tourism dollars ahead of us!

5 mystery cases over 28 days is still quite a hurdle to acheive.... NSW (or VIC) could easily break that.... and then what happens.... do they shut the borders again?....

Bet they don’t, unless there is a case in their own state.

 

[RooFlyer]

5 mystery cases over 28 days is still quite a hurdle to acheive.... NSW (or VIC) could easily break that.... and then what happens.... do they shut the borders again?....

History didn't state! But they have said that they delayed opening so it wasn't going to be open, shut, open, shut. I think if push comes to shove, the 'definition' might be disavowed in favour of just what the want to do.

EDIT: Victoria on 1 December under current timetable. Remember Victoria is more important to Tas than almost any other state combination. We rely on it for a lot, not least of all many skilled workers (some can come in under 'essential worker' category) but we also send a lot of elective surgeries there.

 

[p--and--t]

Finally at zero new cases, Victoria is on top of the world after unprecedented lockdown effort

Victoria’s lockdown has been hard, but it now occupies a rare and envious position. As Victorians await new freedoms on the next step towards COVID-normal, they should feel a sense of accomplishment.

theconversation.com

 

[TomVexille]

Funny that the Vic governments much maligned (at least in the media) modelling was pretty much spot on

 

[lovetravellingoz]

EDIT: Victoria on 1 December under current timetable. Remember Victoria is more important to Tas than almost any other state combination. We rely on it for a lot, not least of all many skilled workers (some can come in under 'essential worker' category) but we also send a lot of elective surgeries there.

Dec 1 eh.

You are cutting it fine then as my eldest daughter's partner travels to Tassie every summer for a month to keep your fuel flowing.

If he does not visit, you might all have to make do with pushbikes. Though those taking over from the trucks will being doing hard yakka!

 

[Pushka]

A question for the Victorians. One thing in SA that has been a real bug bear - in the media and Hotels association anyway, not me personally - is that the freedom of standing and drinking at the bar stopped in March, then allowed in June, then stopped again 3 weeks later when we had a positive that turned out to be a false positive, and which was never reinstated. Is drinking while standing at the bar now allowable in Victoria (assuming all the person limits etc in place). Or even elsewhere in Australia.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

2 new cases.



Mystery cases now only 3 and so original target now met just 3 days late.

From the data table of the 2 one is linked and 1 is still under investigation and yet to be classified.

Early yet and has 48 hrs to be linked (though reclassifications can and do occur well after that). It may or may not be a new mystery case.

Cases are quite commonly linked by the presser though that are not linked when the table is first updated.