Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[oz_mark]

But kiwis were welcome to arrive here, just as any other other Australian is, as long as they were arriving domestically. As DA said, we said no to the bubble but given our border was open, they were coming here anyway. There was nothing to say they couldn't.

Must be an enhanced definition of welcome being used!

At no point has Victoria refused entry to anyone coming in from interstate. Not once. You might not have been allowed to go home, but that was because your state didn't allow it, not ours. Admittedly not many people wanted to come to VIC while we were in lockdown, but there was nothing to stop you.

DA and GB agreed on the closure, but it was one way. ie NSW was closed to VIC and not the other way.

Closed borders are used to stop the virus moving from areas of a higher infection rate to an area of lower infection rate. As Victoria was the area with the highest infection rates, closing the border to people entering Victoria would have achieved little. They were trying to stop the virus spreading outward from Victoria.

I am not sure I would view the idea that Victoria never closed its borders as a badge of honour.

 

[dajop]

Closed borders are used to stop the virus moving from areas of a higher infection rate to an area of lower infection rate.

Indeed.

Probably the most sensible domestic border closures were that the restricted movement in NW Tasmania in the first wave, and in the second wave, Victoria's "Ring of Steel" between metro Melbourne and regional Victoria. And even then it wasn't a full border closure, as exemptions were easily granted for valid reasons, and no quarantine required, but did prove to very effective (even with some escapes, such as Kilmore, Shepparton which were manageable). It should be a model for containment, rather than blanket state border closures.

At the other end of the spectrum, land border closures between NT/WA were just ridiculous.

 

[blackcat20]

I am not sure I would view the idea that Victoria never closed its borders as a badge of honour.

It's not, its just funny that so many non-Victorians are insistent that we did

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Australia’s local active case watch

29
24 in South Western Sydney local health district (all of NSW)
3 in Victoria
2 in SA (including one detected while already in medi-hotel)

 

[jakeseven7]

The ninth state of Australia, New Zealand just announced they have an unknown source community transmission case in Auckland.

Should Australia cancel the bubble arrangement?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Nsw mystery case watch

Today’s reports indicate:
- 1 in the past 7 days
- 1 in the period 8-14 days
- 0 in the period 15-28 days
- 34 older than 28 days but since before Crossroads emerged.

Just confirming that the latest NSW mystery case is classified as South Western Sydney local health district and Wingecarribee local government area, so I guess a way for Qld to sheet the latest mystery case back to Sydney.

Nsw mystery case watch

Today’s reports indicate:
- 1 in the past 7 days
- 0 in the period 8-14 days
- 1 in the period 15-28 days
- 34 older than 28 days but since before Crossroads emerged.

NOTE 1 usual report not yet loaded. Just one change due to natural aging.

 

[Lynda2475]

24 in South Western Sydney local health district (all of NSW)

This is a bit miseleading, should be looking at LGA.

There are 5 active cases (including the 1 active mystery case) in Wingecarribee LGA (where the suburb of Moss Vale is) this is not part of Greater Sydney (South West or otherwise), it is in fact a regional area, with nearest city being Wollongong, not Sydney.

The South West Sydney Cases are in Camdem (7), Campbeltown (3), Liverpool (5, including the 1 older Mystery Case) and Fairfield (4).

Dont go giving Qld ideas that regional areas are part of Sydney just because of a health district. If someone in Moss Vale was ill or in an accident they would be taken to Wollongong hospital before any Sydney hopsital.

 

[Pushka]

2 in SA (including one detected while already in medi-hotel)

I think all our cases were detected in medi hotels. From travelers.

 

[jakeseven7]

Dont go giving Qld ideas that regional areas are part of Sydney

We thought that Canberra was a part of Sydney don't you recall? We classed it as a hotspot Geography is not our strong suit clearly

 

[dajop]

If someone in Moss Vale was ill or in an accident they would be taken to Wollongong hospital before any Sydney hopsital.

Yes it doesn’t seem part of Sydney. But would they though (transport to Wollongong)?

Choice is straight up the freeway to Campbelltown or down the Macquarie Pass to Wollongong? I would have thought a straight multi lane road would be better for patient transport than down a winding road.

 

[drron]

"Your Premier" implies some form of ownership, beyond being a Victorian.

In any event, if he was told it was going to be closed, irrespective of discussion, then I have no doubt that he'd try to include himself in the outcome.

I read that article as he was at least welcoming of the idea and there are other articles suggesting he initiated the border closure discussions.

 

[jb747]

Having lived in Moss Vale, Campbelltown would always be the choice...at least if you wanted to get there in a hurry.

 

[RAM]

Perhaps a little bit of "Lest we forget" can end the 'Get Victoria' battle.

Who caused domestic borders to be closed in the first place & then pointed the finger at everybody else?
Located north of Victoria, south of Queensland and east of WA?

Still not got it, then here's the answer...

State borders close, more COVID-19 cases linked to Ruby ...
www.sbs.com.au › nitv › article › 2020/03/23 › state-b...


Mar 23, 2020 — ... Territory and Tasmania in taking steps to close borders. Meanwhile, almost 50 cases of Coronavirus have been linked to the Ruby Princess, ...

"New South Wales had the Ruby Princess — I mean, seriously? And they are trying to give us advice on our borders, seriously?" he said.

Mr McGowan said he would not be advised by a state that allowed the Ruby Princess coronavirus outbreak to occur.

... and the evidence presented at the inquiry supported his contentions...

Ruby Princess Inquiry Slams Health Officials Over Covid-19 Cruise: Australia US Deaths

An Australian inquiry into the Ruby Princess cruise ship dubbed "plague ship" due to about 900 coronavirus infections and 28 deaths linked to it, points to "inexcusable" blunders by health officials who judged 2,700 passengers, many ill, as low-risk, and failed to test most before they disembarked.

www.forbes.com

Led to over 900 people testing positive Australia-wide before the numbers stopped being compiled, spread CV to 38 regional centres in every other state & territory. As well as being traced to 8 deaths in the US.

Pot - Kettle - Black...

 

[N860CR]

Choice is straight up the freeway to Campbelltown or down the Macquarie Pass to Wollongong? I would have thought a straight multi lane road would be better for patient transport than down a winding road.

Sydney hospitals are only for Sydneysiders. They would be taken... oh wait sorry mixed my states up

 

[Lynda2475]

No one here has denied the Ruby Princess wasnt a problem, however it was very early in the pandemic, everyone was learning and the 696 cases and 28 deaths , does not even remotely compare with the tragedy of 19k cases and 800 deaths that resulted from the Victorian quarantine failures int he second wave.

That said both states are now under control and have recovered from those disasters, so continued closure of domestic borders is no longer warrented, and closure of WA to NT and SA was never warranted.

 

[Pushka]

Perhaps a little bit of "Lest we forget" can end the 'Get Victoria' battle.

Who caused domestic borders to be closed in the first place & then pointed the finger at everybody else?
Located north of Victoria, south of Queensland and east of WA?

Still not got it, then here's the answer...

State borders close, more COVID-19 cases linked to Ruby ...
www.sbs.com.au › nitv › article › 2020/03/23 › state-b...


Mar 23, 2020 — ... Territory and Tasmania in taking steps to close borders. Meanwhile, almost 50 cases of Coronavirus have been linked to the Ruby Princess, ...

"New South Wales had the Ruby Princess — I mean, seriously? And they are trying to give us advice on our borders, seriously?" he said.

Mr McGowan said he would not be advised by a state that allowed the Ruby Princess coronavirus outbreak to occur.

... and the evidence presented at the inquiry supported his contentions...

Ruby Princess Inquiry Slams Health Officials Over Covid-19 Cruise: Australia US Deaths

An Australian inquiry into the Ruby Princess cruise ship dubbed "plague ship" due to about 900 coronavirus infections and 28 deaths linked to it, points to "inexcusable" blunders by health officials who judged 2,700 passengers, many ill, as low-risk, and failed to test most before they disembarked.

www.forbes.com

Led to over 900 people testing positive Australia-wide before the numbers stopped being compiled, spread CV to 38 regional centres in every other state & territory. As well as being traced to 8 deaths in the US.

Pot - Kettle - Black...

I was cross at the time. But it was mid March and very early days. Even our international border was open then. Lessons were learned from that incident. And I’m not from NSW and SA was greatly impacted by Ruby passengers. So

 

[Pushka]

The issue of the returning nurse to SA testing positive again seems to be causing a reassessment of the border with Vic opening up soon.

 

[moa999]

Led to over 900 people testing positive Australia-wide before the numbers stopped being compiled, spread CV to 38 regional centres in every other state & territory. As well as being traced to 8 deaths in the US.

Pot - Kettle - Black...

The "mistake" which was letting people off the ship at the end of the cruise without waiting for test results or requiring more.

That led to 30-40 infections and no deaths.

The remaining 900 had their fate sealed on the day they boarded - 8 March - when a number of other cruise ships around the country were also boarding, and Australias Covid cases was very low.

 

[RooFlyer]

Who caused domestic borders to be closed in the first place & then pointed the finger at everybody else?
Located north of Victoria, south of Queensland and east of WA?

Ummmm ... ACT?

Good 'ol Ruby. Still giving for the interstate tit-for-tats. I wonder if it still comes up in the National Cabinet?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The issue of the returning nurse to SA testing positive again seems to be causing a reassessment of the border with Vic opening up soon.

If it is just an old case still shedding then logically it shouldn't.