Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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Vic Presser :

Jeroen Weimar, Response Commander:

  • All 10 cases are linked and are within close contacts
  • 220 close contacts now in isolation
 
Of the 10 new cases today some are from the restaurant including staff.

Of the 18 at least 7 were physically in the Smile Buffalo Restaurant at Black Rock.



Also evidently this outbreak has been now designated as the Black Rock Outbreak.
 
When i posted yesterday that people had been turned away from overwhelmed testing sites in Victoria, someone said the CMO denied that. Howver, Kelly only denied that occurring at sites the Feds helped establish not the state or private clinics. ABC news Covid Blog is again full of testimony of people being turned away and morning news showing footage of one site yesterday telling people to come back tomorrow hours before they were due to close because of the queue length.

After 10months of practice it seems state health departments still cant rapidly deploy suitable numbers of resources to man pop up clinics when they are begging for more people to get tested. If its too hard to get tested people wont.
 
When i posted yesterday that people had been turned away from overwhelmed testing sites in Victoria, someone said the CMO denied that. Howver, Kelly only denied that occurring at sites the Feds helped establish not the state or private clinics. ABC news Covid Blog is again full of testimony of people being turned away and morning news showing footage of one site yesterday telling people to come back tomorrow hours before they were due to close because of the queue length.

After 10months of practice it seems state health departments still cant rapidly deploy suitable numbers of resources to man pop up clinics when they are begging for more people to get tested. If its too hard to get tested people wont.
I think the trouble is it appears certain areas get swamped according to where close contact listings are. There are hundreds of testing sites in Melbourne and many reports of sites having little to no wait. Yes it may inconvenience some but surely a further 10 minutes drive isn’t that bad
 
In Victoria the Council Maternal and Child Health Nurses who are not current for immunisation were all having training scheduled by DHHS so all will be available to administer. I also heard a whisper that Council employed Environmental Health Officers are also being asked to complete the necessary qualification.
 
I think the trouble is it appears certain areas get swamped according to where close contact listings are. There are hundreds of testing sites in Melbourne and many reports of sites having little to no wait. Yes it may inconvenience some but surely a further 10 minutes drive isn’t that bad

As you have indicated not all were at capacity yesterday, and so far today while some queues are full others still have capacity. One needs to look around.


There is an online link to check wait times at various testing sites. ie just now:
  • Roxburgh Park - 90 minutes
  • St Albans - At capacity
  • Broadmeadows 200 minutes
  • Dandenong 120 minutes



I think that one needs to also bear in mind that yesterday was New Year's Day. Plus the Xmas to NYE period end this Sunday is the most popular holiday period of the year with a large proportion of people on leave and on holiday well away from workplaces.

Many staff on leave and even if recalled, and many were:
  • were not in Melbourne as were away..so could not attend yesterday
  • may have been drinking had late nights etc and so could not safely attend work.....so could not attend yesterday
  • staff required are not just the healthworkers, but also the other staff that work at the sites including security, traffic control etc You need a full compliment.
Ditto for the staff required to build, open up and commission pop-up sites.

However despite that new pop-ups were set-up yesterday and are now operational including:
  • Eastern Health - East Ringwood Reserve (former Maroondah Club), East Ringwood
  • Monash Health - Don Tatnell Leisure Centre (Parkdale), Parkdale
  • Wantirna Trash and Treasure Market (Wantirna), Wantirna
  • State Basketball Centre, Wantirna South
 
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Vic Presser on Genomic sequencing;

Direct link to NSW cluster confirmed.

As everyone suspected... thanks NSW for the NY present ;) :)

Vic Presser :

Jeroen Weimar, Response Commander:

  • All 10 cases are linked and are within close contacts
  • 220 close contacts now in isolation

Great news all linked and isolating already gives VIC a fighting chance.

Really reassuring to hear and see the rapid response.
 
Sadly all the genomic linking will do is further stoke the ridiculous state based rivalries.

I preferred when the bickering was about who was going to steal what sporting event or theatre show. Not so much about how one state was going to shut themselves off from the other. When the decision makers at that level harbour almost no responsibility for the cross-border consequences, I guess it's pretty easy.
 

Usual ‘trying to be relevant’ quotes from the AMA but to be honest I really don’t get why the continued resistance on masks in NSW.


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NSW has put the country at risk, says Australian Medical Association as calls for mandatory masks grow​


Australia’s peak medical group says the NSW government has put the rest of the country at risk by its decision not to go “hard and early” in its response to the outbreak on Sydney's northern beaches, which has seeded cases in Victoria

Australian Medical Association vice-president Chris Moy said the NSW government was “playing the odds” by relying too much on the state’s contact tracing system instead of imposing a quick lockdown.

“They have put themselves and put the rest of the country at risk,” Dr Moy said

NSW Labor leader Jodi McKay has also called for the government to mandate masks.

"Masks are cheap. They’re effective. They should be mandatory to save lives and livelihoods," she wrote on Twitter on Saturday morning.

 
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7 new cases in NSW

5 West Sydney, I household contact, 1 transport worker.

Four of the seven are from the same household and all but one are linked to known cases.

One is currently under investigation
 
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The country is at risk? Well, it's a pandemic. However, my research indicates approx 117 active local cases in NSW and 18 in VIC.

If our health system is unable to deal and cope with those numbers, then we have far bigger problems than COVID-19.

Of course, the AMA is representative of its members, some of whom would be subject to lost income should elective surgeries, for example, be suspended. I understand this is not their point, of course, but it comes to mind anyway.

As for Victorian government blaming NSW, frankly, if they now have their own outbreak seeded in the community then why isn't Melbourne locking down?

Fact is there is now likely more avenues of legal entry for a "non-essential" traveler in to the state of Victoria from the state of California than there is from the state of NSW.
 
So less cases in NSW than Vic again. Remind me who closed the border to whom.
 
Fact is there is now likely more avenues of legal entry for a "non-essential" traveler in to the state of Victoria from the state of California than there is from the state of NSW.
Surely some locked out Victorian resident stuck in NSW and prevented from accessing their own home in Victoria is going to legally challenge the Vic Govt over this?
 
So less cases in NSW than Vic again. Remind me who closed the border to whom.

Personally I think the border should have selectively stayed open (ie Regional NSW). But when NSW closed its border to Vic one could say the same thing.

I also think the time to return was way too tight.


I just hope that both states can continue to squash the outbreaks.
 
Surely some locked out Victorian resident stuck in NSW and prevented from accessing their own home in Victoria is going to legally challenge the Vic Govt over this?
Well I am not sure. The constitution is very clear on the matter (Section 117)

A subject of the Queen, resident in any State, shall not be subject in any other State to any disability or discrimination which would not be equally applicable to him if he were a subject of the Queen resident in such other State.

However it has not stopped SA from allowing residents to return. Or WA from allowing locals to return and self-isolate at their PPOR, while restricting others coming from VIC to essential travelers only.
 
Because gnome testing relates the Victorian cases to NSW, you can see how far and how quickly COVID can spread. I flew back into Perth Wednesday morning (30th) from Hobart via MEL. Had my G2G ready to scan. I received an email the next day at 2:30pm from WA Police advising me to self-isolate and to reply with my address. Followed by a text message that night. Yesterday I received a telephone call from the Police. They are right onto tracking! Anyway, I am now staying at home until January 14 and must have a test on the 10th. There were pages and pages of information both about requirements of self-isolation and the Emergency Act (abbreviated name). I am happy with the response.

My house won’t know what’s hit it! With all this the extra time I have at home, I’ll be reduced to house cleaning to fill in my time! 😩
 
Not sure if I'm a whinger but happy to throw in a few suggestions as I'm firmly of the view that the federal government is missing in action.. They may be limited in what they can compel but there's no limits on how they can help.

1. Massive advertising campaign to get everyone on the same page re COVID. Not recorded messages telling people what to do but well presented, engaging campaigns. The recent NB wedding fiasco is clear proof that the message has not been sold. It was a wedding, not a drug run. If it was felt to be socially inappropriate, no-one would have been there.

2. Clear definition of hotspots and rapid shutdowns of same. SA showed the way to go. Premise may have been found to be false, but the reaction was first class. Stop everything and assess the situation. In the SA case, shutting the whole State was extreme but this is where discussion should happen. Federal compensation should be available to those affected.

3. Engage a large number of skilled persons to deal with exemptions to the rules, compassionate and otherwise. Bottom line is that if people can genuinely show that they do not present a risk, why restrict them? Current situation is everything goes through standard State bureaucracies who just repeat basic policy and have have no authority to do anything apart from repeat basic policy. There's a need for a Federal body to provide consistent assessments

4. Get rid of hotel quarantine. It's fundamentally flawed and has been the basis for too many leaks. Hierarchy of controls, in diminishing order, is elimination, substitution, engineering, administration and PPE. Hotel quarantine is relying on the bottom two. The failures reflect this.

There's a few off the cuff suggestions to hopefully stimulate discussion. The current situation is a mess. What was acceptable in March is looking shabby the following January. Why are emergency powers still being used?
Nutwood you have spent too long out of Tasmania.To your points.
1.I don't watch too much TV when here but I see numerous ads from the Tasmanian government re what to do re preventing Covid.There are also some from the Commonwealth.

2.The Commonwealth Government does have a clear definition of a hotspot.All but 1 State agreed to it but wouldn't put it into effect at the National Cabinet.That said the Tasmanian and NT governments do take it into consideration with their border conditions.Gold medal goes to the NT though as when case numbers dropped they eased the restrictions.
Tasmania does use the hotspot definition as of now.You only have to go into compulsory hotel quarantine if you arrive having been in the Northern Beaches in the last 14 days.
They then list the other NSW LGA areas that have had cases as areas of moderate risk.Arrivals having been in those areas do have to quarantine for 14 days but can do it at a private residence.So you can still visit granny as long as she lets you stay with her.

Queensland would come next with this outbreak though the implementation of their exemptions and checking of same appears to be a bit of a shambles.

The other States are basically totally ignoring the hotspots definition.Though at least SA this time has carved out the area around Broken Hill as being OK to travel.

3.it is the States that are putting up the barriers so it is up to them to have compassion when looking at exemptions.As I have related several times Tasmania does a very good job in this area.When I have supplied a medical report backing the granting of exemption it has never been denied and that included 4 cases from Melbourne at the height of their lockdown.They just had to quarantine for 14 days at their relative's house.They were checked regularly to ensure that is where they stayed.

QLD on the other hand has shown absolutely no compassion.

4.Not going to happen.Even less reason to trust people who swear that they are going to stay isolated at home.At least with hotel quarantine there is a chance that the idiots will be caught.
 
As everyone suspected... thanks NSW for the NY present ;) :)



Great news all linked and isolating already gives VIC a fighting chance.

Really reassuring to hear and see the rapid response.
Well if they where smart they would have re-gifted it to another state.
 
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As everyone suspected... thanks NSW for the NY present ;) :)



Great news all linked and isolating already gives VIC a fighting chance.

Really reassuring to hear and see the rapid response.
Well all 10 couldn’t have been isolating, given two of them were travelling down to NSW? They might be isolating now. Not to take away from the good news....
 
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