Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[moa999]

Both linked to BWS Beralla (seemingly customers, one who visited on 24th)

Just need those in the area to get out and get tested like Northern Beaches residents.

 

[Lynda2475]

NsW zero cases to 8pm, but 2 new Berala ones this morning.

 

[ethernet]

Some estimate the recent knee-jerk border shutdown cost 3 Billion dollars. Lets run with that. Many are aware the insolvency wolf is also hanging over many small businesses, that have been spiriting out hard assets before the cards cave in.

Next, I speculate a secret deal to promote the Oxford Vaccine has been agreed upon, and possibly another secret deal NOT to use Pfizer mRNA or give it indirect promotion. It is evident that Oxford, is unluckily a 2nd rate vaccine with the present numbers, likely to be burdened with a 3 month booster delay come TGA approval. Never mind the risk that mRNA could cross the blood/brain barrier like teflon, and cause brain cancers going forward for the other one. Keeping it super cold, probably was the solution - but people are not asking that question.

There is a great deal of bullshit regarding risk management. If I could place bets on another knee-jerk outbreak within 3 months of this one - I would take the bet. If .fedgov wants to save a real 3-6 billion dollars, I suggest they follow the Israel model and risk plans, and start jabbing all first point of contact workers - air transportation etc, with Pfizer yesterday.

I also read Israel is doing walk in vaccinations to avoid throwing out end of day batches. It would be interesting to hear how much wastage is going on in the USA given all the no-shows. I hear 40% of American health workers are skeptical. The UK super-spreader variant may alter perspectives by then.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Both linked to BWS Beralla (seemingly customers, one who visited on 24th)

Just need those in the area to get out and get tested like Northern Beaches residents.

Hopefully this means that the Northern Beaches Outbreak and its NSW Cousins (as the index case is unknown and so how the branches started is also unknown) is near its end.

The new Beralla Outbreak still to run it course, but today's numbers announced are hopeful.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Vic Presser. The 3 new local cases have all been linked to the Black Rock Cluster.

 

[Pushka]

Some estimate the recent knee-jerk border shutdown cost 3 Billion dollars. Lets run with that. Many are aware the insolvency wolf is also hanging over many small businesses, that have been spiriting out hard assets before the cards cave in.

Next, I speculate a secret deal to promote the Oxford Vaccine has been agreed upon, and possibly another secret deal NOT to use Pfizer mRNA or give it indirect promotion. It is evident that Oxford, is unluckily a 2nd rate vaccine with the present numbers, likely to be burdened with a 3 month booster delay come TGA approval. Never mind the risk that mRNA could cross the blood/brain barrier like teflon, and cause brain cancers going forward for the other one. Keeping it super cold, probably was the solution - but people are not asking that question.

There is a great deal of bullshit regarding risk management. If I could place bets on another knee-jerk outbreak within 3 months of this one - I would take the bet. If .fedgov wants to save a real 3-6 billion dollars, I suggest they follow the Israel model and risk plans, and start jabbing all first point of contact workers - air transportation etc, with Pfizer yesterday.

I also read Israel is doing walk in vaccinations to avoid throwing out end of day batches. It would be interesting to hear how much wastage is going on in the USA given all the no-shows. I hear 40% of American health workers are skeptical. The UK super-spreader variant may alter perspectives by then.

Israel has vaccinated 12% of its population already. Walk ins at end of day sounds like a good management plan to reduce wastage.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

There is a great deal of bullshit regarding risk management. If I could place bets on another knee-jerk outbreak within 3 months of this one - I would take the bet. If .fedgov wants to save a real 3-6 billion dollars, I suggest they follow the Israel model and risk plans, and start jabbing all first point of contact workers - air transportation etc, with Pfizer yesterday.

That would be VERY dangerous for Australians. Any suggestion of this is completely naive.

said our PM just a couple days ago.

 

[dajop]

The health minister (federal, Hunt) said yesterday the nationally agreed definition is there for those who want to use it.

They are clearly fed up too.

Yes there is a nationally agreed definition of hotspot. That has been clear for sometime.

What we need is nationally agreed strategy for dealing with hotspots within a jurisdiction, then we might stop the knee jerk border closures.

I’m actually quite certain if the hotspots is and remains within a country town - say Dubbo or Sheppartepn - then it would be managed really well and borders wouldn’t close. When it occurs within a massive city like Melbourne or Sydney the hotspot concept seems to be more difficult to work through nationally.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Reportedly a wedding venue in Fairfield NSW fined for exceeding the 100 number limit - over 600 present.
Fine of $5k probably should have been more
Hazzard huffing and puffing, not happy.

I read a different figure 300 limit (under the 4sqm rule) and it was the Police Minister huffing and puffing.

The venue would have easily made more than $5k lol

 

[Lynda2475]

Unfortunately Western Sydney and South West Sydney residents have a poorer record for presenting en masse for testing in comparison to their innerwest, cbd, eastern suburbs, lower north shore and Northern Beaches neighbours. I really hope more turnout today.

Wrt to the wedding which breached rules over the weekend in Fairfield (south west Sydney again!) I hope we havent see the end of the fines. I would expect the couple to be fined for inviting more than 350 guests, and the usual $1000 fine for every person who knowingly attended as if would have been obvious more given 700 were there (it was double the previous limit of 350).

Wedding rules changed wereannounced last week- A maximum of 100 people may attend a wedding (or a gathering after the service) subject to the one person per 4 square metres in indoor areas and one person per 2 square metres rule in outdoor areas.

Jake suggested there was consideration of locking down inner west - there would be no justification for this. There are only a coupleof casual exposure venues for inner west LGA (bunnings ashfield, a car place at Haberfield). Whilst Croydon is in the inner west and has a named cluster it is misleading as whilst the first famiy member lives there, no close contact sites are listed for innerwest LGA. 99% of the non household rip to exposures happened in Bankstown, Bass Hill and Auburn (plus their to Wollongong and Blue Mountains).

If anywhere should be considered for a lockdown it would be coughberland LGA due to the BWS cluster in Berala. It would be superhard to enforce though given hundreds of ways in and out.

 

[MelMel]

Flew MEL-CNS on 26/12 and flew back on 30/12. If they know I flew up surely they would know I came back?

 

[jase05]

I read a different figure 300 limit (under the 4sqm rule) and it was the Police Minister huffing and puffing.

The venue would have easily made more than $5k lol

Yep, my mistake. Was trying to read an article and watch TV feed at same time.
Apparently the 100 limit rule came in at midnight the night of the wedding according to the article I was reading

On Saturday, sweeping changes to Greater Sydney's COVID-19 restrictions saw the cap for weddings reduced to 100 people from 350

 

[jakeseven7]

And the cricket is still going ahead in Sydney?....

 

[N860CR]

Jake suggested there was consideration of locking down inner west - there would be no justification for this.

I think it was a remark regarding inner AND western Sydney as a whole.

I agree that the use of the term “innerwest” was extremely misleading and caused angst that wasn’t required. I mean, the innerwest finishes at Crystal St doesn’t it? I get scared going beyond that point.

 

[jase05]

And the cricket is still going ahead in Sydney?....

Yes, just like the soccer did twice last week

 

[SydneySwan]

Unfortunately Western Sydney and South West Sydney residents have a poorer record for presenting en masse for testing in comparison to their innerwest, cbd, eastern suburbs, lower north shore and Northern Beaches neighbours. I really hope more turnout today.


If anywhere should be considered for a lockdown it would be coughberland LGA due to the BWS cluster in Berala. It would be superhard to enforce though given hundreds of ways in and out.

The Berala environs are very different to their 'innerwest, cbd, eastern suburbs, lower north shore and Northern Beaches' neighbours. You are likely to be much less wealthy, have much less secure sources of income (so may work when perhaps you shouldn't), not be a native English speaker and may have come from countries where governments were not trusted. There will be many migrants who have a poor understanding of English and receive news from other family members or friends rather than the ABC news or the SMH.

This is a real challenge for the NSW Govt and its communication avenues to multicultural communities. I very much hope they manage to get the testing message out to everyone that needs to hear it.

 

[SydneySwan]

And the cricket is still going ahead in Sydney?....

Yes and the Indians are hoping the Brisbane test will go ahead in Sydney as well as they have a terrible record at the Gabba. This may happen if Dr Young persists with too onerous restrictions on the test teams to enter QLD.

 

[ethernet]

That would be VERY dangerous for Australians. Any suggestion of this is completely naive.

said our PM just a couple days ago.

Yes, the thought of betting is totally obscene and wrong at multiple levels. However poor decision making, and those profiting from political driven border lockdowns is also wrong, but also predictable when agreed hotspot definitions go out the door. So we sanitize this as risk management - say How to Use a Risk Assessment Matrix [with Template].
Likelihood IS Likely. Perhaps I am wrong and 3 Billion is a cheap price to delay early and immediate vaccinations, given qualitative and quantitative workings are NOT/Never made public with a name attached and the press has stopped asking for them. If the breakout is contained to say 170 positives, then the delay may be as little as 1.7 deaths if 1:100.
I congratulate the contact tracers on this one - they have gone above and beyond, and hopefully nipped it. I speculate Australia Days and the upcoming long weekends will allow more public stupidity, so I think the phrase overdeliver needs to be changed to emergency approved.

My recent covid test needed my medicare card, and those with no symptoms were turned away/refused testing. I believe those quality impaired instant test kits should be used before they are just chucked out - with that date real soon now.

 

[Port Power]

View attachment 237131Flew MEL-CNS on 26/12 and flew back on 30/12. If they know I flew up surely they would know I came back?

Did you have to fill in a ”visa” prior to arrival? I did a G2G for both TAS and WA. On arrival in each state that was scanned by authorities. They only scan arrivals, not departures. On my initial contact email and text, if a person had already left the state there was a link to fill in so that person could be crossed off for future contact. It has nothing to do with flight manifests.

 

[ethernet]

The Berala environs are very different to their 'innerwest, cbd, eastern suburbs, lower north shore and Northern Beaches' neighbours. You are likely to be much less wealthy, have much less secure sources of income (so may work when perhaps you shouldn't), not be a native English speaker and may have come from countries where governments were not trusted. There will be many migrants who have a poor understanding of English and receive news from other family members or friends rather than the ABC news or the SMH.

This is a real challenge for the NSW Govt and its communication avenues to multicultural communities. I very much hope they manage to get the testing message out to everyone that needs to hear it.

When the jobkeeper supplement cuts out, and other support props, these hard workers will do what it takes, while loosing 4-5 hours to line up for testing is not a good look - as being quizzed where is your Medicare card.