Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Lynda2475]

Ah. Living life on the edge

Proportionate response, safety first. I help care for my immuno suppressed Mum, so i always wear a mask when indoors with randoms. Jest if you will, it will deter me not.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

That's not really going to solve anything in this country, if most states continue to insist that elimination is the only way forward.

I'm not sure this appreciates *why* states are insisting on elimination.

We need elimination to protect the elderly and vulnerable.

The vaccine reduces the severity of infection, in most cases: it no longer becomes a potential death sentence for high risk groups.

There will be no need for elimination once the vaccine has been rolled out, because the *why* no longer exists.

 

[DC3]

Proportionate response, safety first. I help care for my immuno suppressed Mum, so i always wear a mask when indoors with randoms. Jest if you will, it will deter me not.

No. No. Not having a go at you at all. An attempt at levity went downhill fast, didn’t it?

A very prudent move to wear a mask if sitting in a cinema in my view.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Travelling to Queensland​

Most people can travel freely to Queensland unless they have been in a COVID-19 hotspot or in any part of New South Wales.

Road border checkpoints are in place, and border passes are required for anyone entering Queensland from New South Wales.

There are restrictions and requirement for anyone who has been in a hotspot, New South Wales or overseas (excluding New Zealand) that wants to travel to Queensland.

If you have been in Victoria in the last 14 days, you should get tested immediately and quarantine at home or your accommodation until receiving a negative COVID-19 test result.

Find out more about changes to border restrictions and requirements for travelling.

I can go to QLD no issue. Just apply for a border pass and I live in NSW but not in one of the hot spots.

 

[DC3]

We need elimination to protect the elderly and vulnerable.

The vaccine reduces the severity of infection, in most cases: it no longer becomes a potential death sentence for high risk groups.

There will be no need for elimination once the vaccine has been rolled out, because the *why* no longer exists.

Unfortunately, some AFFers can’t seem to comprehend this. I’m not sure if they are part of the anti-vax crowd.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Unfortunately, some AFFers can’t seem to comprehend this. I’m not sure if they are part of the anti-vax crowd.

Several members have had their businesses ruined and many more separated from family.

You don't have to be an anti-vaxxer to ponder that if states want no covid, and vaccines don't provide 100% immunity to covid, what would have to happen for things to go back to normal?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Several members have had their businesses ruined and many more separated from family.

You don't have to be an anti-vaxxer to ponder that if states want no covid, and vaccines don't provide 100% immunity to covid, what would have to happen for things to go back to normal?

It's not about immunity from covid. It's about the severity of symptoms. It may not matter if you get covid if the death rate goes right down to almost zero.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I can go to QLD no issue. Just apply for a border pass and I live in NSW but not in one of the hot spots.

Yes, if you click through there is a lot of text on what to do depending hotspots etc. I did not quote any of it as things are a moving feast at present and so just left it for people to click though.

 

[Must...Fly!]

It's not about immunity from covid. It's about the severity of symptoms. It may not matter if you get covid if the death rate goes right down to almost zero.

I am well aware it's not about immunity.

But it's pretty obvious that state premiers believe it is. There is a fear in the community they have seized on, they are being seen no longer as politicians in most cases but as protectors which bodes well for them.

They have a serious issue ahead as to how to explain how vaccinations will lead to more covid in the community. If they open borders, that is.

 

[Pushka]

I am well aware it's not about immunity.

But it's pretty obvious that state premiers believe it is. There is a fear in the community they have seized on, they are being seen no longer as politicians in most cases but as protectors which bodes well for them.

They have a serious issue ahead as to how to explain how vaccinations will lead to more covid in the community. If they open borders, that is.

It's not surprising given that in the past, complete emphasis has been on flattening the curve (ie reduction of numbers) so that the hospitals can cope. Remember those days? If numbers of positive cases suddenly start to increase once vaccine has been fully implemented, so we assume that the infection is not as serious and requiring hospital treatment, then this will take nerves of steel to basically ignore the numbers.

 

[Must...Fly!]

It's not surprising given that in the past, complete emphasis has been on flattening the curve (ie reduction of numbers) so that the hospitals can cope. Remember those days? If numbers of positive cases suddenly start to increase once vaccine has been fully implemented, so we assume that the infection is not as serious and requiring hospital treatment, then this will take nerves of steel to basically ignore the numbers.

Multiple premiers have built their castles on a foundation of either being covid free or defeating covid within the state - sometimes more than once.

They have led us down this path, they will have to lead us out at some point. How they do that after spending almost a year saying no covid is the most important thing they've ever done - I really don't know.

 

[DC3]

It's not about immunity from covid. It's about the severity of symptoms. It may not matter if you get covid if the death rate goes right down to almost zero.

Well, the vax will be here soon, it seems.

 

[DC3]

... You don't have to be an anti-vaxxer to ponder that if states want no covid, and vaccines don't provide 100% immunity to covid, what would have to happen for things to go back to normal?

Vax, Vax, Vax. There are doubters, but it’s our best chance at this stage.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I can go to QLD no issue. Just apply for a border pass and I live in NSW but not in one of the hot spots.

Hopefully you are going to Townsville or Cairns.

If the case forms a cluster, then there might be more areas eg Gold Coast/Sunshine Coast affected and you just have to iso at home on return for 14 days.

 

[Flashback]

Sure. But that’s the thing. Mental health is suffering immensely. I heard on the radio today from the UK that the chorus of people clapping the health workers at 6?pm has virtually stopped because they have just had enough.

4 cases of the UK variant here but two have recovered. All in med hotels.

Daily saliva tests of those workers plus weekly throat swabs.

8pm and it was during the summer. People have talked about starting it up again and comments from most NHS workers I know are saying no thanks, just follow the rules and let lockdown serve its purpose. Also, it's far too cold to be standing outside clapping right now!

 

[RooFlyer]

But didn’t we have a federal hotspot model of 10 average cases per day over 3 days or something (can’t remember what it was... probably because it’s been ignored).

How does Morrison then come out and declare Brisbane a hotspot without meeting the federal definition? Or does the definition only count for states that he has confidence in?

Can you check the silly politics at the door? The hotspot declaration came out of the National Cabinet - you know the one, with all State and Territories Leaders. The QLD government declared Greater Brisbane a hot spot first!

Check it out (and the other decisions they took)

Missed the PM's press conference? Here's what you need to know

National Cabinet agrees to a range of changes to try and prevent a more infectious strain of the coronavirus from finding its way into the Australian community again. Here's what they've decided to do.

www.abc.net.au

 

[oznflfan]

Multiple premiers have built their castles on a foundation of either being covid free or defeating covid within the state - sometimes more than once.

They have led us down this path, they will have to lead us out at some point. How they do that after spending almost a year saying no covid is the most important thing they've ever done - I really don't know.

It'll have to be a collective approach, basically Scomo and all the premiers interlocking hands all stating full support for re-opening.

Something like we have done everything we can, fully vaccinated, we can't hide forever, we'll get left behind as a nation if we don't open up, and state some COVID will get in, some people will get sick, some people will die (and a public relations person will script this whereby I cant) just like the flu kills each year, cancer, multiple ailments, COVID will be just like it.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Yes, if you click through there is a lot of text on what to do depending hotspots etc. I did not quote any of it as things are a moving feast at present and so just left it for people to click though.

But you did quote it the opening line of your post stated
“Most people can travel to QLD unless they have been in a hotspot or ANY part of NSW”
That’s not correct. Anyone in huge areas of NSW can travel to QLD unless they have been in a hot spot area. It’s basically Greater Sydney/ Central Coast/ Blue Mountains/ Wollongong that can’t go to QLD not people from any part of NSW.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Vax, Vax, Vax. There are doubters, but it’s our best chance at this stage.

This!!!! A million times this.

 

[Pushka]

This!!!! A million times this.

So, have you already rolled up your sleeve Princess? We are hopeful of being in the second tranche. Allied medical and medical conditions.