Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[SydneySwan]

All over Sydney radio this morning too, what a waste of $. Perhpas invest $ in job creation not reminding Sydney we arent welcome.

I wonder if this will get a run in the next series of Gruen as a case study of what not to do.

 

[jakeseven7]

i hope people choose not to go to the AO

Please, its the AO they will sell whatever they put out.

Look at the crowds QLD pulled with the football, NSW the cricket.

I'm going, just had to creatively change my travel and state hop a little to do it

 

[Pushka]

Is it something like 'Think twice before coming to Victoria. If in doubt then DON'T COME'.

As has been said before on this thread, Victoria spent many years building up its brand with a series of excellent tourism ads backed up by having (it has to be said) a great product. It won't take long to undo this.

It’s like an explanation to see if you are welcome (green) or not (red). The traffic light thing.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I just saw an interview with one of the people transferred from the Grand Chancellor for a second 14 day quarantine when he and his wife only had 1 hr to go of their original quarantine.


However as part of that story they showed the Grand Chancellor and many sitting and standing on their balconies with the sliding doors all open and the trees in the street being blown about. People in adjoining rooms , including rooms above or below another room are to be seen maskless within metres of one another which is hardly prudent if an of them are infectious..

Now the HVAC (AC) system may or may not be a contributing factor depending on its design, and how well it is maintained and operated (humidity and fresh air settings etc).

However I do know enough about HVAC and wind pressure to know that HVAC and open doors/widows means that HVAC will not work as it is meant to.

The room doors are not airtight and so open balcony doors with wind pressure will mean that at times that air will move from the guest room into the hallways. Multiple floors and then liftwells and possibly stairways (doors may or may not be airtight) could lead to flushing of air between floors.

Now that may be acceptable when you are only concerned about a bit of extra energy used and that temperatures may be off a little, but for aerosol containment it is a no no as you want all the air to only travel through the ducting and to then be subject to appropriate humidity control and fresh air venting.

Open windows and HVAC is not really a prudent mix. A balcony makes the stay more comfortable, but it increases risk of aerosol diffusion both through rooms and from balcony to balcony and then into other rooms.




So for aerosol control balconies and open widows/doors are not a good idea for a building with HVAC that services all rooms.

With the mining camps hopefully all the cabins will have room AC so that people can sit on their balcony and also enjoy a cool room. Room AC is not a problem as long as people are not mixing with other people from other rooms. I personally have avoided restaurants that use room type AC units. ie the Smile Buffalo in Blackrock which help to fuel the recent Melbourne outbreak.

 

[Lynda2475]

t’s like an explanation to see if you are welcome (green) or not (red). The traffic light thing.

The ad here starts with something like "You are in a red zone and cannot currently come to Victoria without an exemption"" then goes on to explain the rest.

 

[SydneySwan]

I just saw an interview with one of the people transferred from the Grand Chancellor for a second 14 day quarantine when he and his wife only had 1 hr to go of their original quarantine.

Did the person indicate if AP or JY had rung to personally apologise? Or if the QLD government were providing any sort of compensation?

 

[SydneySwan]

The ad here starts with something like "You are in a red zone and cannot currently come to Victoria without an exemption"" then goes on to explain the rest.

But NSW Govt does not think you are in a red zone. I wonder if any reporters will ask about this at the NSW press conference today.

 

[Lynda2475]

But NSW Govt does not think you are in a red zone.

Neither NSW nor the Commonwealth consider Greater Sydney a hotspot. Ive been trying to find a copy of the advert transcipt online but cant, found it funny as many radio stations are state wide, so that ad is not correct in many regions of the state where it could be heard

 

[Pushka]

The ad here starts with something like "You are in a red zone and cannot currently come to Victoria without an exemption"" then goes on to explain the rest.

Clearly they have created different ads for different areas then.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Did the person indicate if AP or JY had rung to personally apologise? Or if the QLD government were providing any sort of compensation?

No he was very gracious, and in particular as the extension means that his will miss his brother's funeral.

His main message was that he understood the need to quarantine but wanted to communicate that people in quarantine needed to be comfortable.

He had been in mining and so indicated that mining camps could work.

 

[Lynda2475]

Clearly they have created different ads for different areas then.

Yep - if it was generic ad explaining their traffic light system its one thing, but such a bad move to lead with effectively Sydney you are not welcome. No other state/territory has felt the need to spend $ spruiking their hard border to Sydney Metro over the breakfast radio airwaves.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Dr Young just that that "fresh air" breaks are no longer allowed for people in quarantine.

But yet people who may be infected are allowed on balconies in the fresh air within metres of other people on balconies. And all where the wind is blowing.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Post automatically merged: Jan 15, 2021

NSW Presser: No new infections locally.


Great news.

 

[SydneySwan]

Dr Young just that that "fresh air" breaks are no longer allowed for people in quarantine.

So JY not very interested in whether people are 'comfortable' to use the words of the interviewee. She thinks 28 days without fresh air is acceptable. I certainly don't.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Yep - if it was generic ad explaining their traffic light system its one thing, but such a bad move to lead with effectively Sydney you are not welcome. No other state/territory has felt the need to spend $ spruiking their hard border to Sydney Metro over the breakfast radio airwaves.

That is typical of the nature of the bureaucracy in the state. Yes a generalisation, sorry for any who disagree but this is my conclusion from my own first hand experience.


I think there is a prevailing view within the state that Victoria is the best at handling the virus now. Which doesn't make for easily harmonious relations with the other states.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So JY not very interested in whether people are 'comfortable' to use the words of the interviewee. She thinks 28 days without fresh air is acceptable. I certainly don't.

Personally I think if you want people to be comfortable and also in a setting with minimal transmission risk then it means that you need to use venues in rural locations.

Quarantine in hotels to minimise transmission really needs to not have windows or doors that do not open to the outside. But this reduces comfort. People standing and sitting on balconies adjacent to each other is not really a safe setting and also impairs HVAC .

Mental health and safety means a comfortable setting (as in space and fresh air and not in star requirements). So as it stands most quarantine accommodation at present is very much a compromise.

A more transmissible strain complicates the issue further.

 

[SydneySwan]

I think there is a prevailing view within the state that Victoria is the best at handling the virus now. Which doesn't make for easily harmonious relations with the other states.

I think the view in each state is that their own state is handling the virus best. Unfortunately some states have taken to lecturing the other states to that effect.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I think the view in each state is that their own state is handling the virus best. Unfortunately some states have taken to lecturing the other states to that effect.

Personally I think the Vic Border settings are too strict at present.

With Qld given the cases there, and where/how they occurred despite it being the reportedly more transmissible strain I would believe that red zone for Greater Brisbane should be dropped and restrictions only apply to people who have had close contact to cases and/or the Grand Chancellor.

Greater Sydney is more problematic due to number of unknown community cases and thus unknown community transmission chains. However the Greater Sydney Setting would seem too tight. What it can be reduced down to I am not sure. Contacts of cases back to 14 days and LGA's with recent unknown cases would probably be the minimum. More people getting tested would help.

 

[Must...Fly!]

"I understand the frustrations and the dislocation this is causing but even more so I understand the frustration and dislocation that another cluster outbreak in Victoria would cause," he said.

"I apologise for the dislocation that this has caused but I make no apology for the principle of keeping Victoria safe and keeping Victoria open."

Vic Health Minister quotes via The Age

I still can't believe they are somehow arguing that there is too much risk in allowing residents from Brisbane and Sydney to return but 1,200 tennis players testing negative before departing actual hotspots is somehow a consistent position.