Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[somebol]

But I'm from Victoria and I agree with the restrictions!

The vaccine is just a few weeks away. Why would we want to embrace risk when we're so close? Contract tracing is only good once you know the virus is out there. Before they start tracing there could easily have been a super-spreader event.

Yet, you are ok with hosting australian open, bring in 1000s of people from countries in much worse position than sydney.
your posts in this thread vs AO thread are contradictory.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

From Paula Badosa

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulabadosa

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[MEL_Traveller]

Yet, you are ok with hosting australian open, bring in 1000s of people from countries in much worse position than sydney.
your posts in this thread vs AO thread are contradictory.

Difference between potential controlled vs uncontrolled spreading.

Borders are reopening to a large extent now that Sydney case numbers are dropping. Nothing to do with the vaccine.

However if one case is too much for some of our premiers, we have to wait until everyone is vaccinated...

Borders are only open until the next outbreak

Why is one case too much? To protect the vulnerable. If the vaccine works, outbreaks may not be a major health issue and borders can stay open.

 

[Pushka]

Media Release
21 January 2021

Salient parts:


Victoria has recorded one new case of coronavirus since yesterday in a person in hotel quarantine. The case is a man aged in his 40s.
There are no new locally acquired cases of coronavirus (COVID-19) in Victoria.

This is the 15th consecutive day where Victoria has recorded no new locally acquired cases of coronavirus (COVID-19).

The number of active cases in Victoria is 34, made up of one locally acquired case linked to the Black Rock restaurant cluster, which is a decrease of one since yesterday, and 33 cases in travellers in hotel quarantine, an increase of one since yesterday.




No mention of the AO and so presumably not linked to that event

Clearly was related. We had to wait for the official 'tweet' from the sufferer It seems.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Clearly was related. We had to wait for the official 'tweet' from the sufferer It seems.

Not unless covid 19 can cause rapid change to one's sex plus aging as that report stated a man in his 40s.

Paula is a young woman.


She presumably will be the 1 in today's announced case.

 

[Pushka]

Not unless covid 19 can cause rapid change to one's sex plus aging as that report stated a man in his 40s.

Paula is a young woman.


She presumably will be the 1 in today's announced case.

Well, the Experts are saying we learn more about this virus every day so anything is up for grabs.

So she beat Dan to the announcement then.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Well, the Experts are saying we learn more about this virus every day so anything is up for grabs.

So she beat Dan to the announcement then.

Official results are posted each day for the 24 hours prior.

She was evidently just before midnight yesterday. So she could be in the figures announced today, or possibly tomorrow. It will depend at what time it is logged as an official case.

However various people (Health officials, journalists and as in this case the person themselves may talk about cases in progress. ie at the Vic (counts till midnight) or say NSW (counts till 8PM) Presser thy have often referred to cases that will be in the next day's official count but which are known about at the time.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Note on the differing opinions on remote/regional quarantine

The quarantine plan that concerns ScoMo

Queensland’s plan to send international arrivals to regional mining facilities has sparked fears among locals that Brisbane’s problems will be “dumped” on them, Scott Morrison says.

www.news.com.au

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Note on the differing opinions on remote/regional quarantine

The quarantine plan that concerns ScoMo

Queensland’s plan to send international arrivals to regional mining facilities has sparked fears among locals that Brisbane’s problems will be “dumped” on them, Scott Morrison says.

www.news.com.au

So the old NIMBY argument....

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VIC PRESSER>

Sydney reduced to only one Sydney LGA coughberland will remain red.
The other recent red LGA's are now orange

From 6PM tonight.

Most of NSW will be then be green.


coughberland LGA boundaries are:

 

[jakeseven7]

So the old NIMBY argument....

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VIC PRESSER>

Sydney reduced to only one Sydney LGA coughberland will remain red.
The other recent red LGA's are now orange

From 6PM tonight.

Most of NSW will be then be green.


coughberland LGA boundaries are:

View attachment 238698

Great news that most of Sydney can now travel freely to VIC again....

Let’s see what QLD have to say...

 

[Lynda2475]

Difference between potential controlled vs uncontrolled spreading

Except that all the uncontrolled spreading you are so worried about has its origins in supposedly controlled HQ program. There are positive cases in the AO cohort so some low risk of virus escaping remains. But risk from Sydney is also low (if it wasnt we'd be seeing spread in regional NSW), and many exempt people still travelling from there everyday such as truck drivers.

The best controls are still behavioural - keep distance and hand hygiene.

Sydney is not and has never been in the utter state of disarray that Melbourne was, there isnt mass unchecked spreading happening, the numbers dont support that.

Closing internal borders becuase of a handful of cases does more damage to more people economically and mentally.

Widespread vaccination has significant benefits but it wont guarantee the vulnerable wont get Covid, and it certainly wont mean zero cases. We have had flu vaccines for decades, and we still see flu deaths amongst the vulnerable each year.

 

[Lynda2475]

Vic must have finally been forced to look at actual numbers, it never made any sense for LGA's with zero cases or zero mystery cases and no public exposure sites to be Red. Suspect some pressure from CMO, assuming the CHO's met ahead of todays national cabinet, and likely from Victorian's desperate to get home so their kids can start school next week.

Or they werent selling enough AO tix without Sydney visitors lol.

Feel happy for the stranded Victorians who now have an avenue to return home (unless of course they happen to have been in coughberland, those guys still stuck with no way home).

Mind you the orange test on arrival and wait for results rule, pretty much rules out short 1 or 2 day business trips, which is what drives a lot of air traffic and short hotel stays. If your going for a holiday you can wait for results, but not many cwn add buffers for business meetings.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Except that all the uncontrolled spreading you are so worried about has its origins in supposedly controlled HQ program. There are positive cases in the AO cohort so some low risk of virus escaping remains. But risk from Sydney is also low (if it wasnt we'd be seeing spread in regional NSW), and many exempt people still travelling from there everyday such as truck drivers.

The best controls are still behavioural - keep distance and hand hygiene.

Sydney is not and has never been in the utter state of disarray that Melbourne was, there isnt mass unchecked spreading happening, the numbers dont support that.

Closing internal borders becuase of a handful of cases does more damage to more people economically and mentally.

Widespread vaccination has significant benefits but it wont guarantee the vulnerable wont get Covid, and it certainly wont mean zero cases. We have had flu vaccines for decades, and we still see flu deaths amongst the vulnerable each year.

The discussion was the difference between border closures, and having AO players in hotel quarantine. In the former, once the virus is out, it is potentially uncontrolled. We don't know if there's been a super-spreader event. Infected persons may have gone to multiple venues. In the case of AO it hasn't brought in potentially infected persons and allowed them free movement. They are strictly controlled.

The escape of the virus is a real risk, but a separate issue to border closure vs HQ.

Agree vaccination won't mean zero cases. But like the flu vaccine, society has accepted, on balance, that we will accept some risk. If the vaccines are successful, why would our risk appetite to covid be different to the flu?

All governments including the Cth have stated this is a health issue first, the economy is second. Agree people were caught out in this latest round of border closures, but people are probably less likely to travel interstate for a holiday in the short term.

 

[jakeseven7]

And great news for QLD-VIC travel now fully reopen again! Let’s hope SA TAS and QLD (with NSW) follow suit.​

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Victoria eases border restrictions with Brisbane, most of Sydney​

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says all of Greater Brisbane will turn "green", while just one area in Greater Sydney will remain a "red" zone as of 6:00pm.

PM won't speculate on vaccine approval time as countries flag issues with Pfizer supply

Prime Minister Scott Morrison says the Australian Government is watching "very closely" as countries overseas indicate there are supply issues with the Pfizer vaccine.

www.abc.net.au

 

[jakeseven7]

Mind you the orange test on arrival and wait for results rule, pretty much rules out short 1 or 2 day business trips, which is what drives a lot of air traffic and short hotel stays. If your going for a holiday you can wait for results, but not many cwn add buffers for business meetings.

Yes this restriction does make that harder to work around, for some of our specialist team we have been flying down we have been paying for expedited testing but it can still take a few hours.

Hopefully Sydney can maintain zero local cases and we see the rest of the city turned green soon.

But the big news for now is the resumption of business as normal VIC-QLD travel and just in time for a few key meetings for us! Speaking to our QF business manager they are already loading more flights in as web traffic has been heavy which is pretty amazing given the timing!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

 

[Lynda2475]

society has accepted, on balance, that we will accept some risk

NSW has already accepted that risk when there are low levels of community cases, as once identified they are quickly contained. We dont need a vaccine to accept low cases, we just adjust gathering restrictions etc.

Whereas you want to keep numbers at zero and things locked down hinging epening up on vaccines, when we dont even know how long their protection lasts, and havent been proven to reduce spread, only severity of illneess in between 50 to 95% of people depending on type of vaccine.

The most common place for contracting covid remains the home. Which is why outdoor gatherings encouraged over having people in your home.

Zero isnt realistic, containing small number of cases and preventing further spread when identified is realistic.

Your own government it appears to have chnaged their mind about zero too, they want NSW travel and business dollars.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Your own government it appears to have chnaged their mind about zero too, they want NSW travel and business dollars.

Or more likely as the concern expressed was on the number of unknown local community cases and hence unknown transmission chains in NSW that were continuing to occur that the pattern of zero new daily cases is now at the stage that the risk is now low enough for the CHO to change his recommendations.

They have stated for some time that the Victorian interstate travel restrictions are reviewed on a daily basis.


Personally I would have liked the recommendations to have changed earlier, but it is good that that they are continuing to be eased.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Vic must have finally been forced to look at actual numbers, it never made any sense for LGA's with zero cases or zero mystery cases and no public exposure sites to be Red. Suspect some pressure from CMO, assuming the CHO's met ahead of todays national cabinet, and likely from Victorian's desperate to get home so their kids can start school next week.

Or they werent selling enough AO tix without Sydney visitors lol.

Feel happy for the stranded Victorians who now have an avenue to return home (unless of course they happen to have been in coughberland, those guys still stuck with no way home).

Mind you the orange test on arrival and wait for results rule, pretty much rules out short 1 or 2 day business trips, which is what drives a lot of air traffic and short hotel stays. If your going for a holiday you can wait for results, but not many cwn add buffers for business meetings.

If you came from a previous red zone you would have to budget for the very small chance you were infected and have 14 days handy....if eg considering Aust Open.....might not be able to prove shedding if one didn’t test previously when asymptomatic

 

[Lynda2475]

If you came from a previous red zone you would have to budget for the very small chance you were infected and have 14 days handy.

I think is is lower risk, than not being allowed to leave Melbourne if you arrive, get tested and your test results havent been received by the time you need to leave - very likely in the case of a same day business trip.