Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Lynda2475]

Zero cases in NSW again today - No presser today due to national cabinet.

 

[drron]

I think it is the height of hypocrisy to accuse Outback Queenslanders of Nimby behaviour when every State and territory apart from NSW has already had much clearer examples of Nimby Behaviour.

Then those that think when the at risk groups have been vaccinated it is going to be safe to drop restrictions that may not occur.

First the most at risk group are those over 80 with multiple co morbidities and usually with a life expectancy of 6-12 months.
This group all ready has a reduced immune response to infection or vaccine because of their aging immune system
This is the same group that are dying after the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine.If these deaths continue it may be that using the Pfizer vaccine in this group will not be recommended.
So it is just as well Australia is waiting until full authorisation of the vaccines.The timeline for enough people being vaccinated might be longer than hoped.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

NSW has already accepted that risk when there are low levels of community cases, as once identified they are quickly contained. We dont need a vaccine to accept low cases, we just adjust gathering restrictions etc.

We live in a federation of states, and states look out for their citizens. What suits NSW may not suit others.

I'm sure many Victorians were happy to have the full family over for Christmas rather than be limited to five people.

 

[Lynda2475]

I'm sure many Victorians were happy to have the full family over for Christmas rather than be limited to five people.

Except what you have quoted wasnt the situation for most of NSW over the 3 days Xmas period from Christams Eve to Boxing Day.

1. The 5 person limit was for Northern part of Northern beaches only and limited to people from within that region.
2. The Southern part of the Northern Beaches could have 10 visitors total (including family from outside the NB)
3. The rest of Greater Sydney could have 10 adult vistors (in addition to adults already residing at the host home) plus unlimited children under 12.
4. In regional NSW the limit in your home was 30 people.

Noting also that outside the NB the limits only applied to inside your house. You could have more people at outdoor events, so many families (as is usual) gathered with 30 family members at the beach or in a park.

Southern NB had a short period 2 weeks (not over 3 months like Melbourne) of restricted movement, and Northern Northern Beaches had 3 weeks - but it worked and affected far fewer people than a statewide lockdown Victroian Style.

I had friends in NNB who had to zoom into a Christmas lunch, but all were able to reunite a week later in person. Small sacrifice, and no where near the mental damage of Vics lockdowns.

Slamming the borders shut with insufficient notice impacted far far more people - it caused undie stress and financial hardship for those that coudlnt get home. When Victorians should have been able to test on arrival and quarantine at home instead of waiting over 3 weeks to have an avenue home.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Lynda... aren't these issues for us to work out, as Victorians?

 

[jakeseven7]

Well debrief from National Cabinet was about as useful as hunting for fly droppings...

Zero news of importance for anyone, sounded like a giant waste of time.

QLD didn't even propose the remote quarantine idea to the group it was only 'informally floated as an idea' but nothing presented, sent or structured to discuss.

Wonderful, sound like they all earned their money.....

And no increase in international arrivals either, nothing happening there until Feb.

But apparently a bit worried about a deadly* (*not any more deadly at all) new mutation - the BRAZIL mutation!! Great!

 

[blackcat20]

Lynda... aren't these issues for us to work out, as Victorians?

I swear it’s the non-victorians that had the most issues with our restrictions

It wasn’t great but we did what we had to do and things are much better for it. Why people who aren’t impacted by it are so bothered by it is beyond me.

 

[Lynda2475]

Lynda... aren't these issues for us to work out, as Victorians?

I like most would like national consensus based of the Commonwelath guidelines and agreed goal of flattening the curve. Id like to see an open Australia where states arent using flimsy excuses to discriminate against other Australians.

Id like to see Premiers take parctical and compassionate approach and not promote fear mongering and seed paranoia in their state against other Australians not based on the facts, but rather what is useful politically.

Id like to see consistency and not hypocracy, if Vic cant handle the risk of people travelling to MEL from SYD, they should not be permitted to allow non Australians into Victoria for AO. IF you can safely HQ tennis players, why not offer the service to Victorians stuck in Sydney?

When states close borders in knee jerk reactions and refuse to be transaprent re decision making process and do not commuunicate a clear way out of lockdowns, they cause unecessary damage to business and isolate families which will have much long lasting and wider reaching damage than if we have a handful of corona cases every now and then.

Some of us have lost jobs because of the border closures, many other have missed major family milestones because of them. The people who love a hard border are clearly those who arent suffering financially and are priviledged enough to have all their family nearby.

 

[Lynda2475]

Why people who aren’t impacted by it are so bothered by it is beyond me.

This assumption that if you are outside Victoria you are not impacted by Victorian restrictions is a fallacy and very insular. People dont just do business in their own state and not everyone lives near their family.

And when you exclude other Australians (inlcuding your own residents) you have an obligation to not hide behind State of Emmergency provisions (especially since ther is no current emmergency) and discretion but to openly disclose the criteria for restrictions. Health advice shoudlnt be based on a fear or a gut feeling, it should be based on published thresholds and hard data.

There would be less complaints if the criteria i.e. number of cases (or is it just mystery community cases?), testing volumes (what is the aceptable percentage?), days since a case etc were disclosed and that criteria were consistently applied.

Whenever a border is closed, there also needs to be a way home for residents. Only WA, SA and Vic have had periods where they offer no way home for their own residents after they close a border. If they can find a way to safely accept foreigners, they can find a way to do the same for their own tax payers.

 

[Lynda2475]

QLD didn't even propose the remote quarantine idea to the group it was only 'informally floated as an idea' but nothing presented, sent or structured to discuss.

Obviously now that local governments in the area where the mining camp is have gone to the media to express concerns about health facilities and impact of any positive cases on industry in the area, Anna has realised she probably should have checked that is was a viable option before annoucning it.

She will need a feasible plan and have Queensland on board before trying to get other states to adopt the same approach.

But i agree nothing of substance in that presser.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

If they can find a way to safely accept foreigners, they can find a way to do the same for their own tax payers.

Ultimately, it is the Cth who allowed the charter flights and AO players to come in! The Cth could have refused visas. They could withheld landing rights. They could have refused to allow people in over and above existing caps.

The Cth obviously agrees, to some extent, that the AO was a valuable and worthwhile undertaking in the best interests of Australia.

 

[blackcat20]

This assumption that if you are outside Victoria you are not impacted by Victorian restrictions is a fallacy and very insular. People dont just do business in their own state and not everyone lives near their family.

And when you exclude other Australians (inlcuding your own residents) you have an obligation to not hide behind State of Emmergency provisions (especially since ther is no current emmergency) and discretion but to openly disclose the criteria for restrictions. Health advice shoudlnt be based on a fear or a gut feeling, it should be based on published thresholds and hard data.

There would be less compalinst if the criteria i.e. number of cases (or is it just mystery community cases?), testing volumes (what is the aceptable percentage?), days since a case etc were disclosed and that criteria were consistently applied.

Whenever a border is closed, there also needs to be a way home for residents. Only WA, SA and Vic have had periods where they offer no way home for their own residents after they close a border. If they can find a way to safely accept foreigners, they can find a way to do the same for their own tax payers.

I’m not talking about border closures (and the vic border wasn’t closed last year). I’m talking about people from other states being bothered by things like our curfew and 5km limit, neither of which impacted them at all.

 

[jakeseven7]

More good news on border restrictions being removed​

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ACT follows VIC and lifts border restrictions to all but one of Sydney's LGAs​

Nine LGAs will be removed from ACT's "COVID Affect Areas".

Only coughberland LGA is still considered a hotspot.

Anyone who is in quarantine in the ACT from from anywhere other than coughberland, they will be allowed to exit quarantine at 3:00pm AEDT.

PM won't speculate on vaccine approval time as countries flag issues with Pfizer supply

Prime Minister Scott Morrison says the Australian Government is watching "very closely" as countries overseas indicate there are supply issues with the Pfizer vaccine.

www.abc.net.au

 

[lovetravellingoz]

More good news on border restrictions being removed​

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ACT follows VIC and lifts border restrictions to all but one of Sydney's LGAs​

Nine LGAs will be removed from ACT's "COVID Affect Areas".

Only coughberland LGA is still considered a hotspot.

Anyone who is in quarantine in the ACT from from anywhere other than coughberland, they will be allowed to exit quarantine at 3:00pm AEDT.

PM won't speculate on vaccine approval time as countries flag issues with Pfizer supply

Prime Minister Scott Morrison says the Australian Government is watching "very closely" as countries overseas indicate there are supply issues with the Pfizer vaccine.

www.abc.net.au

Just need Qld to follow.

Any views jakeseven7 on when Qld may join the club? I have quite a number of Sydney clients who are eager to join me in Qld in Feb, but cannot yet. My WA clients have given up.

 

[Lynda2475]

I’m not talking about border closures (and the vic border wasn’t closed last year). I’m talking about people from other states being bothered by things like our curfew and 5km limit, neither of which impacted them at all.

Where has 5km limit or curfew been raised in the current disucssion?

The disusccion has been about state border closures due to community cases (or lack there of).

I quite rightly queston the red classification for Sydney LGAs with zero cases, zero mystery cases and zero public expsoure sites.

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on when Qld may join the club?

As AP stated on Monday, the next time Queeensland plan to review NSW restrictions is on 27th Jan - given Queensland are famous for only making decision to ease interstate restrictions once a month, I have no idea why people keep thinking Queensland will move quicker.

Queensland only move fast when its introducing restrictions, not removing them.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I think it is the height of hypocrisy to accuse Outback Queenslanders of Nimby behaviour when every State and territory apart from NSW has already had much clearer examples of Nimby Behaviour.

Er what?

Why hypocrisy?

So the old NIMBY argument.... applies pretty universally everywhere! Virtually any project will always have some locals who are against it.

NIMBY = a person who objects to the siting of something perceived as unpleasant or hazardous in the area where they live

 

[Lynda2475]

Expect NT wil be next to modify their list of 9 restricted LGAs down to 1 or 2.

Interesting NT never had Liverpool on their list whilst Vic and ACT did., they also typically move faster to release restrictions than other states.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

No mandatory 'no jab, no job' policy for high risk workers (yet).

PM answers major vaccine question

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has declared “we have beaten the third wave” of COVID-19 as he revealed for the first time whether high risk groups including aged care workers face mandatory jabs.

www.news.com.au

 

[OATEK]

Well, the Experts are saying we learn more about this virus every day so anything is up for grabs.

So she beat Dan to the announcement then.

Official results are posted each day for the 24 hours prior.

She was evidently just before midnight yesterday. So she could be in the figures announced today, or possibly tomorrow. It will depend at what time it is logged as an official case.

However various people (Health officials, journalists and as in this case the person themselves may talk about cases in progress. ie at the Vic (counts till midnight) or say NSW (counts till 8PM) Presser thy have often referred to cases that will be in the next day's official count but which are known about at the time.

Pushka, you must be a keen fisherperson. Just throw out the bait and real them in!

 

[somebol]

Difference between potential controlled vs uncontrolled spreading.




Borders are only open until the next outbreak

Why is one case too much? To protect the vulnerable. If the vaccine works, outbreaks may not be a major health issue and borders can stay open.

sorry are you calling the community spread in au uncontrolled? Compared to where the players are coming from we are practically Covid free