Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Pushka]

On the other hand what is the evidence for lockdowns.The best feature is to close borders.Those countries that closed borders to all non citizens have done better that stopped flights but still let in non citizens-North America and Europe.

Some do wonder whether going further than that plus mask wearing,social distancing and strict testing of contacts and those with symptoms really adds much more to risk prevention.The exceptions would be with known clusters such as Daegu in South Korea,Wuhan and our own North West Tasmania cluster.

For example there really is no evidence that schools are a hot bed of transmission.The QLD CMO has now admitted that-it was done to scare people.So many kids will be left behind academically and real pressure was put on parents working from home just to scare people.

Jeannette Young: who is the woman leading Queensland's fight against COVID-19?

Brisbane Times sat down with Dr Young to find out how she became the Chief Health Officer, why Queensland schools have remained mostly closed, and just how fearful she was about COVID-19.

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Around the world there is little evidence that more severe lockdowns get a better result than those with less restrictions.Here in Australia Tasmania has had the most severe restrictions yet has the highest case rates and mortality.
New Zealand had more severe restrictions than Australia but have done no better.Yet they are easing restrictions faster than us.

Some go further.This by a statistician.

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And then you have in the midst of a severe lockdown someone denying one of the things that seems to have worked.This by the NYC Health Commissioner who was telling people in March to go to mass gatherings.

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South Australia didn't close its schools except for one week prior to the holidays but they reopened as per normal a few weeks ago. The cases of Covid occurred when a teacher who had returned from overseas passed it to one student. Another school was impacted when a family member was a baggage handler. Four weeks now and nothing further.

 

[VPS]

I know this is from a few weeks ago but still important. Messages - be fast and no regrets. If you need to be right before you move you will never win. Perfection is the enemy of the good when it comes to emergency management.

‘Greatest error’ in virus response

A World Health Organisation (WHO) executive director says it’s better to act quickly than perfectly to contain the spread of coronavirus and the COVID-19 disease it causes.

www.news.com.au

 

[RooFlyer]

In the battle of the tests etc, I'm going with the experienced, practising doctor, plugged in with colleagues and the profession generally, and dealing with possibly infected people (no longer daily, thank goodness) rather than whats just found on the internet.

 

[drron]

Though Wuhan wasn't a strict lockdown.They banned domestic travel but not International travel.
And NYC is really a failure of massive proportions-encouraging attendence at mass gatherings into march.Sending people with Covid being discharged from hospitals into Nursing Homes,not having social distancing on the subway until the end of March.Then not distributing masks early to the NYPD so that 10% caught Covid and 51 died.

Coronavirus in NYC: Subway service cutbacks lead to packed commute

The MTA has had to roll back service as it loses workers to the COVID-19 virus — creating dangerous crowding situations on some rush hour trains.

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[tgh]

In the battle of the tests etc, I'm going with the experienced, practising doctor, plugged in with colleagues and the profession generally, and dealing with possibly infected people (no longer daily, thank goodness) rather than whats just found on the internet

Well Roof flyer has selected a winner , was it a competition ? I must have missed something.. what is the prize .. a scallop pie ?
I thought I was reading an enlightening discussion presenting and considering a range of views from a range of contributors… silly me.

 

[Flashback]

In the battle of the tests etc, I'm going with the experienced, practising doctor, plugged in with colleagues and the profession generally, and dealing with possibly infected people (no longer daily, thank goodness) rather than whats just found on the internet

Well Roof flyer has selected a winner , was it a competition ? I must have missed something.. what is the prize .. a scallop pie ?
I thought I was reading an enlightening discussion presenting and considering a range of views from a range of contributors… silly me.

You win a pat on the back, here you go *pats you on the back*. Bravo, bravo. Well done.

 

[moa999]

On the other hand what is the evidence for lockdowns.The best feature is to close borders.

That may work initially. But once it's in it will spread, so you need lockdowns.

It's hard to do direct country comparisons due to health systems, when the virus spread versus global air travel shutdown etc.

But I've recently seen one of my anti-5g/anti-vax friends start sprouting that we don't need lockdowns, just look at Sweden, it's not that bad there and comparing death rates to UK, Italy, US etc ..

The simple argument against is much like Australia and NZ, Sweden benefited from its isolation.
But it's approaching 2500 deaths from a 10m population.
Whereas neighbours on both sides Finland and Norway (both with 5m population) are under 250 deaths each.

Pretty clear example that not going into lockdown has already cost thousands of lives in Sweden.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

That may work initially. But once it's in it will spread, so you need lockdowns.
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Yes. ie Norway.

Coronavirus in Norway: The Story of the Covid-19 Outbreak

The Covid pandemic profoundly impacted Norway, reshaping daily life, healthcare, and the economy. This article chronicles the virus's spread, government responses, and the nation's journey through unprecedented times. When Norway's first ever nationwide lockdown outside

www.lifeinnorway.net

 

[Pushka]

So another "0" day today and we still can't eat inside but has to be outside in SA. That has worked fine as the weather has been stunning but an awful change has just stormed in and the natives are getting very restless now. The State Govt are hanging on to their doona much too long now and businesses are starting to get very testy.

 

[tgh]

Qld public areas have been chaotic.
A popular bayside street market was reportedly packed last weekend and social distancing was a distant memory.
Today we had our local fine dining experience, fish and chips sitting in the car park.
This restaurant is extremely popular and pre Covid was always packed.
Swmbo asked today why no tables were set as it was Tuesday lunchtime and very quiet.
They said that last weekend was absolute chaos, people were actually physically brawling over the few available tables.
So they have given up and gone back to take away only until more manageable business conditions resume.

 

[DC3]

.... and we still can't eat inside but has to be outside .....

.... Not to mention the teatotalism.

 

[p--and--t]

So another "0" day today and we still can't eat inside but has to be outside in SA. That has worked fine as the weather has been stunning but an awful change has just stormed in and the natives are getting very restless now. The State Govt are hanging on to their doona much too long now and businesses are starting to get very testy.

Qld public areas have been chaotic.
A popular bayside street market was reportedly packed last weekend and social distancing was a distant memory.
Today we had our local fine dining experience, fish and chips sitting in the car park.
This restaurant is extremely popular and pre Covid was always packed.
Swmbo asked today why no tables were set as it was Tuesday lunchtime and very quiet.
They said that last weekend was absolute chaos, people were actually physically brawling over the few available tables.
So they have given up and gone back to take away only until more manageable business conditions resume.

Two opportune posts one after the other.

So QLD has just shown why SA can't trust numpties will do the right thing

 

[VPS]

So another "0" day today and we still can't eat inside but has to be outside in SA. That has worked fine as the weather has been stunning but an awful change has just stormed in and the natives are getting very restless now. The State Govt are hanging on to their doona much too long now and businesses are starting to get very testy.

And my heater is broken so can't even go somewhere nice for dinner - might be early to bed tonight

 

[Flashback]

And my heater is broken so can't even go somewhere nice for dinner - might be early to bed tonight

Are the 2 things mutually exclusive?

 

[RooFlyer]

You win a pat on the back, here you go *pats you on the back*. Bravo, bravo. Well done.

That's gratifying.

 

[Pushka]

And my heater is broken so can't even go somewhere nice for dinner - might be early to bed tonight

Take the bottle of alcohol and chocolate with you.

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Two opportune posts one after the other.

So QLD has just shown why SA can't trust numpties will do the right thing

Nah. We just want to keep everyone under the doona.

I'm thinking this might get merged with the comment about @VPS

Yep. It did. Looks like a big party VPS Hope you have a super king size doona!

 

[VPS]

Are the 2 things mutually exclusive?

I should have said - my heater is broken AND I can't even go somewhere nice for dinner to get warm - might be early to bed tonight. I have the neck warmer on that I had for Antarctica and a wheat bag on my lap. Time to adjourn to the couch. I was going to finish my TR but been in front of a computer all day for work so time to read a book

 

[drron]

Yes. ie Norway.

Coronavirus in Norway: The Story of the Covid-19 Outbreak

The Covid pandemic profoundly impacted Norway, reshaping daily life, healthcare, and the economy. This article chronicles the virus's spread, government responses, and the nation's journey through unprecedented times. When Norway's first ever nationwide lockdown outside

www.lifeinnorway.net

Yet Norway is number 28 in the worst deaths per million population and Finland number 23.

 

[ethernet]

Hmm I wrote about a safe corridor for returning OS arrivals. Yet we do not have forehead temperature scanners to catch in the wild cases. Nope no Taiwan lessons for us - that would be rude!

People are waking up that elimination(not likely) and flatlined(like SA) means the restrictions are unreasonable when compared to economic misery. Today the Bolt Report on TV slated home a few truths.
I hope things open up normally real soon, or do USA things like say very close to home. I also learnt universities are being given free money as enrolment numbers tank.

I speculate low paid help workers and nurse assistants stop by McDonalds on the way home, rather than direct home and strip off on the porch. A forehead scanner at McD's may be the cure we need.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Yet Norway is number 28 in the worst deaths per million population and Finland number 23.

You miss the point entirely.

They were heading in the wrong direction. Lockdown was a key reason they turned it around. Without lockdown the bodies would be building up still.

On 12 March, a national lockdown was announced, effective from 18:00 the same day . Border controls as part of lockdown were rolled out between March 13 and 16.

Add in the lag period and you can see the effect it had.

COVID-19 cases | WHO COVID-19 dashboard

The latest data for coronavirus (COVID-19) cases from the WHO COVID-19 dashboard.

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