Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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So the first Pfizer batch should be at least 50% prioritized for Victoria for the airside/border workers.

Why, Victoria arent even taking half of the arrivals that NSW do and no where near 50% nationally.

Vaccine distribution should be based on population size - not only of the state but of the number of workers working in HQ (again this is much higher in NSW and Im guessing in Qld right now too), the number of hospital workers, and the number of people in aged care. Based on need NSW would get the largest number of vaccines, and NT likley the least.
 
Yes but I heard DA say that it will end at "midnight Wednesday" which at the time left me none the wiser whether he meant 12.01am Wednesday or 11.59pm Wednesday.
It's five days, so 11.59pm Wednesday night.
 
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Experts are "gobsmacked" to learn the hotel quarantine program was left out of Victoria's key taskforce on infection control for frontline health workers and the policies were not applied to the embattled system.

The Australian Medical Association (AMA) has also declared Victoria "cannot be trusted" to manage hotel quarantine until it is fully restructured after Victoria was this week forced into a third lockdown due to a cluster at the Holiday Inn hotel quarantine site at Melbourne Airport.

This came out during the rather absurd press conference earlier with Andrews, but without being able to hear the questions it was fairly difficult to understand the answers in context. Makes sense now.

Another "root and branch" review to come? Probably just hang the head of the agency out to dry again.
 
More special treatement for sportsball people!

SMH covid blog reports:

Victoria’s state cricketers have been given government exemptions to travel to NSW, ensuring the domestic one-day competition and the resumption of the Sheffield Shield season go ahead as planned.

However, NSW Health on Saturday granted permission for the Vics to make the trip. They will fly out on Sunday but will be required to follow Victoria’s lockdown conditions while in Sydney.

“The Victorian men’s team will travel to Sydney under the Victorian government’s essential workers provision for professional athletes,” a Cricket Victoria spokesman said.

 
Why, Victoria arent even taking half of the arrivals that NSW do and no where near 50% nationally.

Vaccine distribution should be based on population size - not only of the state but of the number of workers working in HQ (again this is much higher in NSW and Im guessing in Qld right now too), the number of hospital workers, and the number of people in aged care. Based on need NSW would get the largest number of vaccines, and NT likley the least.
Federally, Operations Research, or OR should be dynamic and like wartime actions , scarce resources/ armaments/vaccine be diverted to the highest value - whereever that may be. This is like hospital Triage. Presently Victoria is the basketcase, and quelling outbreaks is the priority. I would be sick if the first installment has already been spoken for, you know, training exercises and the like. Obviously anyone in coowee of known positive cases or receiving treating/monitoring or transporting such cases come first.
We already know the rollout in the USA is wasteful and inefficient. Now, has anyone seen that spreadsheet, that must exist? Maybe it is colorcoded like the sports rorts one. In any case aged care can wait(unless there are unreported breakouts). I anticipate some trainee doctors wont have a PBS number, and some recipients wont have a medicare number(asylum applicants).

But no, priority shots for the entire AO tennis entourage, celebrities to spruik take the jab commercials , nor the Thor movie entourage - but I bet that is where some doses will be mis-allocated to.
 
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Interesting interview with Emma Cassar who firstly apologised to the family abiut the manner in which the family had been described in the media, then went on to say that their audit showed there had been no disclosure of the nebuliser, then stressed the family had not done anything wrong. When asked if that meant the family had been lying, she said in a few words to the effect that they didn't know the pictures were of a nebuliser. She also stated that people are not asked directly if they used a nebuliser, but they ask about medical devices. When the media said that the family weren't upset with the media but rather with the Dept because they were stating they had not declared the nebuliser, she stated again the family had not done anything wrong.

The story with the family I think has yet to play out and the family, once the man has recovered, may decide to take things further, or not.
 
I only want the truth but given the recent inquiry found that no one had accountability or record of knowledge for who made what decision, I am not holding my breath.

I believe the man in intensive care because I don't believe the government, on track record. Flawed logic maybe. But I see little reason why someone in intensive care would go to the extent this person did to provide their account of events if they weren't telling the truth.
 
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More special treatement for sportsball people!

SMH covid blog reports:

Victoria’s state cricketers have been given government exemptions to travel to NSW, ensuring the domestic one-day competition and the resumption of the Sheffield Shield season go ahead as planned.

However, NSW Health on Saturday granted permission for the Vics to make the trip. They will fly out on Sunday but will be required to follow Victoria’s lockdown conditions while in Sydney.

“The Victorian men’s team will travel to Sydney under the Victorian government’s essential workers provision for professional athletes,” a Cricket Victoria spokesman said.

Arghhhh. How on earth are cricket players “essential workers”. Sure they are employees, but it stretches the definition to call them “essential workers”. Checkout operators, truck drivers, cops, nurses, teachers, child care workers - those people are essential workers, but sports people - really? And given the relative contributions to society, why do sports people get paid so much more than the truly essential. Heavens, even a barista is more essential (esp in Malbs) than another sportsperson. YMMV, but flame away!
 
It’s fairly widely accepted in medical research that a very small sample size will not give any meaningful or reliable percentages.
I’d say even Prof Bennett would agree with that.

Perhaps if we chose an HQ city and let it loose then we would have something more meaningful to work from?

Where it gets loose it’s about 50% more transmissible and also early data coming out this month showing that it has increased mortality.
Estimated transmissibility and severity of novel SARS-CoV-2 Variant of Concern 202012/01 in England
I had read that link Princess Fiona but my impression was they have said the virus is more infective and more cases = more deaths not that the virus causes more severe disease.
The other problem with the link it is mathematical modelling.It was released on 7/2 and already the evidence suggests there modelling is wrong.
The Variant exploded between November and January to become the dominant strain in England.Yet the figures are not showing an increase in
cases or deaths in the UK.
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Cases appear to peak in early January.Deaths a couple of weeks later as you would expect.
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The problem is increasing the infectivity from ~ 11% to ~14.5% (a 30% increase in transmission rate) means a lot because the increase becomes exponential so with the third round at 11% you now have1331 infections,at 14.5% it is 3048.
But at the 6th round it is 1771561 at 11% but 9294114 at 14.5 %.

Hence why mathematicians and the general public panic.

 
Arghhhh. How on earth are cricket players “essential workers”. Sure they are employees, but it stretches the definition to call them “essential workers”. Checkout operators, truck drivers, cops, nurses, teachers, child care workers - those people are essential workers, but sports people - really? And given the relative contributions to society, why do sports people get paid so much more than the truly essential. Heavens, even a barista is more essential (esp in Malbs) than another sportsperson. YMMV, but flame away!
No flame from me and in a past life my partner would have been part of this privileged cohort. I'd be peeved. Just not essential by any definition. Essential implies necessary for society to function. Purely and simply, they aren't. Especially at state level.
 
No flame from me and in a past life my partner would have been part of this privileged cohort. I'd be peeved. Just not essential by any definition. Essential implies necessary for society to function. Purely and simply, they aren't. Especially at state level.
Yes, I have nothing particular against sportspeople, but they should have to take their lumps like everyone else, and they should not be considered essential by any fair definition of the word. It’s just another example of special treatment for the privileged that I have gone off about before. If it is the case that we are back to “every worker is an essential worker” at the PM said last March, then fine - but that means everyone should have exemptions, not just the super elites.
 
I only want the truth but given the recent inquiry found that no one had accountability or record of knowledge for who made what decision, I am not holding my breath.

I believe the man in intensive care because I don't believe the government, on track record. Flawed logic maybe. But I see little reason why someone in intensive care would go to the extent this person did to provide their account of events if they weren't telling the truth.

Thr truth is hard to get to when you have three stories. What the government said, what the patient said, and what the media report...
 
So are you saying CQV does not have any responsibility for hotels designated for positives???

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30 November 2020
The Victorian Government has unveiled a new, stronger quarantine program and a dedicated agency to oversee it enabling Victorians and visitors to safely start returning from overseas.
As part of the Government’s response to the interim report of the Hotel Quarantine Inquiry, Premier Daniel Andrews and Minister for Police and Emergency Services Lisa Neville today launched the new body and program– which has been overhauled following a root-and-branch review of the original program.
Significant changes have been made to strengthen leadership, oversight and training, embed public health and enforcement expertise, and tighten obligations for both staff and residents – to keep them and the community safe.
A dedicated agency, COVID-19 Quarantine Victoria (CQV), has been established to oversee all elements of the program – including the Frontline Worker Accommodation program (formerly known as Hotels for Heroes), mandatory quarantine for people entering Australia including Health Hotels for positive and suspected cases or close contacts, and Emergency Accommodation for local residents who need a safe place to quarantine.
It will be led by Corrections Commissioner Emma Cassar, who has been appointed as interim Commissioner of CQV and will report directly to the Minister for Police and Emergency Services.
All staff working in the program are employed or directly contracted by CQV with the exception of cleaning staff who are on secure, fixed term contracts with Alfred Health. All government staff working in the COVID-19 Accommodation program are under the command of the CQV Commissioner and all contracts for the program will be held by CQV.
Health, enforcement and operational expertise will be embedded in the executive structure of CQV, responding to a key recommendation from the interim report.
Victoria Police will boost its presence in the program, and will continue carrying out supervision, enforcement and compliance duties at all locations. They will be supported by Australian Defence Force personnel and highly trained Resident Support Officers.
Additional infection controls have been introduced, including the daily testing of staff and voluntary regular testing of their family and household members, a centralised contact tracing team, proactive contact mapping for all staff, a ban on secondary face-to-face employment for all staff and strengthened PPE protocols.
Frontline staff will work in ‘bubbles’ to ensure they only have contact with a limited number of other staff during their shift, allowing for the bubble to be taken offline with minimal impact if one staff member becomes unwell.
The Frontline Worker Accommodation program (formerly known as Hotels for Heroes) will be expanded to include those working in the COVID-19 Accommodation program. This will ensure staff, including those who have household members who work in the aged care sector, are able to access alternative accommodation if required.
Given the high-risk nature of the aged care sector, workers will be required and supported to isolate from anyone in their household who works in the aged care sector. This includes access to dedicated Frontline Worker Accommodation facilities.
Regular, independent audits will be carried out at all hotels, as recommended by the Board of Inquiry, to identify any issues or improvements and monitor compliance with best-practice infection prevention and control measures.
Unless there are medical, mental health or compassionate reasons, residents will no longer be able to leave their rooms while isolating or quarantining, including for fresh air or exercise breaks. Food and care packages from family and friends will no longer be permitted, with deliveries only accepted from accredited food services.
These measures will help restrict movement to and from quarantine accommodation and further reduce the risk of transmission between those quarantining and staff, helping to keep the Victorian community safe.
These will be tough changes for residents, which is why we’ve created a timetable of structured activities throughout their stay and increased access to specialised remote children and family friendly activities, exercise programs and mental health and wellbeing programs.
Three Deputy State Controllers with relevant experience will support the Commissioner – including new Deputy Chief Health Officer Professor Ben Cowie who has been appointed to lead health management for the program focusing on infection prevention and control, testing and contact tracing.
Deputy Commissioner Ross Guenther from Victoria Police will provide enforcement expertise, and also oversee the force’s expanded role in the program.
The third Deputy State Controller will be appointed shortly and will use their extensive operational and logistical expertise to manage critical staffing and corporate aspects of the program.
There will also be increased oversight on the ground with general managers and site managers introduced at each location, setting clear reporting lines for staff and for any resident complaints or issues.
Healthcare Australia will provide primary health services and wellbeing support across quarantine hotels, where returned travellers without symptoms are accommodated.
Alfred Health will play an expanded role in the management of health hotels, where people who have or are suspected to have coronavirus, and residents with complex care needs, are accommodated.
Stricter standards have also been introduced for cleaning and waste disposal, with cleaners and hotel staff receiving additional training.
Changes to the mandatory quarantine program have been implemented in recent months and build on the significant reset made to the program in July. New practices and standards have been comprehensively tested, and staff are well trained ahead of international flights resuming on 7 December with a cap of 160 passengers arriving each day.
The interim report of the Hotel Quarantine Inquiry made 69 recommendations about a reset of the mandatory quarantine program. The Government has accepted or accepted in principle 52 recommendations, with a further 17 recommendations under review. Thirteen of these recommendations relate to the establishment of a model for home-based quarantine, which would require agreement from National Cabinet.
More details about the Government’s response to the interim report can be found at vic.gov.au/hotelquarantineresponse
Quotes attributable to Premier Daniel Andrews
“We know there are thousands of Victorians overseas waiting to get home, but it was vital that we take the time to get the reset of this program right – CQV will deliver the strongest and safest quarantine program in the country.”
“This strengthened program and dedicated agency will help us protect everything we have built together.”

Quotes attributable to Police and Emergency Services Minister Lisa Neville
“Every element of the program has been strengthened, with increased oversight, leadership and infection prevention and control measures to protect the Victorian community.”
“These changes are significant and tough – but they’re critical to reducing exposure risks for staff and residents.”

201130 - A Stronger Quarantine Program To Protect What We’ve Built.pdf
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No, just that there are tiers.

The medical ones are for patients. Note that cases are patients. But also people may have medical needs and go there.

They provide a higher level of medical care and supervision.
 
Arghhhh. How on earth are cricket players “essential workers”. Sure they are employees, but it stretches the definition to call them “essential workers”. Checkout operators, truck drivers, cops, nurses, teachers, child care workers - those people are essential workers, but sports people - really? And given the relative contributions to society, why do sports people get paid so much more than the truly essential. Heavens, even a barista is more essential (esp in Malbs) than another sportsperson. YMMV, but flame away!
Have you seen the many who can claim such exemptions?

It is not a tight category.
 
What benefits exactly come from mass panic over a single case.none that I can think of but plenty of harmful effects.

There's no 'mass panic'. The premier announced a 5 day lockdown. It is what it is.


It seems you have an apparent bias against the Chamber of Commerce since you seem to take their comments out of context.

I’ve not heard any limitations on households not being able to have one working in quarantine and another in aged care, not quarantine or other busy places (airport, may be you want to add bus drivers, train stations, shopping centers). So clearly in your world a police officer and nurse can’t live together or share accommodation.

I think from the rules that you posted (post 16891), there are requirements that people working in HQ can't also live with people working in aged care.
 
Unfortunately delivering asthma medications via nebulisers really isn't good medicine.Note that the Age article oon the patients claim was that after 4 hours at the medi hotel he was told he couldn't use the nebuliser and was given a spacer device to be used with his inhaler and it gave him good relief.I was told this back in 1974.
The reason nebulisers appear to give better results is because they are given a massively larger dose.Two puffs of a metered inhaler of salbutamol is a dose of 0.2mg.Much more effective if given by a spacer device.The usual adult dose via a nebuliser is 5Mg - 25 times the dose.
Here is one article with children using a spacer device.no difference if given 2 puffs with a spacer device versus 2 puffs with a spacer device and the 0.15mg via a nebuliser as well.The only difference more side effects.


Then the Wellcamp position.In a few of the articles on this proposal it is noted that John Wagner is an astute businessman.i think that is the key.The proposal is a thousand room quarantine facility.Now if an average of 2 per room that is 2000 people.Curiously the number QLD accepts in 2 weeks.
So it would mean transferring all QLD OS arrivals to Wellcamp.Thus enabling the QLD government to close HQ for OS arrivals.So effectively shoving the cost onto the c'wealth Government rather than the QLD Government.Yes that man is an astute businessman.

Unfortunately some of the people of Toowoomba are not crazy about the proposal.
 



This came out during the rather absurd press conference earlier with Andrews, but without being able to hear the questions it was fairly difficult to understand the answers in context. Makes sense now.

Another "root and branch" review to come? Probably just hang the head of the agency out to dry again.

That would have to be the most ... what's the word? bizarre? unbelievable? contemptuous? thing to come out of the Victorian government to date in relation to the pandemic. Excerpts from ABC report:

Experts are "gobsmacked" to learn the hotel quarantine program was left out of Victoria's key taskforce on infection control for frontline health workers and the policies were not applied to the embattled system.
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Last year, the Healthcare Worker Infection Prevention and Wellbeing taskforce was set up to tackle the issue of frontline workers catching COVID-19.

Up to 80 per cent of the thousands of healthcare workers who caught COVID-19 last year in Victoria were infected at work.
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Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton is on the taskforce, and it is chaired by Chief Medical Officer Andrew Wilson from Safer Care Victoria.

It also includes unions representing paramedics, allied health professionals, doctors and nurses.

Despite the taskforce's work to reduce infections on the frontline, and the constant review of practices, the information has not been shared or applied with COVID-19 Quarantine Victoria (CQV), taskforce members have told the ABC.



I wonder if any person will ever be found to have made the decision not to inform the CQV (if the ABC report is substantiated). I'd put a laughing emoji here, but its really a case of 😢
 
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