Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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When there is a hypothesis waiting on genomic test to 100% confirm link they usually say so, as this reduces panic.

I understood the Friday date was based on symptom onset and disease progression. hope you are right, but seems strange they havent mentioned what it is.
 
SA too. Mystery cases they can’t abide.

Lets just hope the three SA amigos don't kill anyone this time with their sloppy border processes.

I note the inquiry into the Police Commissioners actions does not have a result yet...
 
When there is a hypothesis waiting on genomic test to 100% confirm link they usually say so, as this reduces panic.

I understood the Friday date was based on symptom onset and disease progression. hope you are right, but seems strange they havent mentioned what it is.

Probably because they are preparing a cover story ;)

We could guess for fun.... Maybe one of the many film production crews who waved dollars at us to get an exemption into the country?

Or just another boring run of the mill fail at HQ....
 
Afternoon off for me! No entry to hospital as I’ve been to Brisbane in the last 14 days. Quickly sent off for a swab and sent on my merry way.
 
When there is a hypothesis waiting on genomic test to 100% confirm link they usually say so, as this reduces panic.

I understood the Friday date was based on symptom onset and disease progression. hope you are right, but seems strange they havent mentioned what it is.
Ok.

Next time I'll know to check with you rather than my sources at Qld Health.
 
In other news ... Tasmania has just announced that they will be doing sewage testing ..... 106 days after the last new case and 227 days since the last local acquired case. I guess the health people have got to do something to keep themselves relevant.

Oh, and the Premier has just called an election, a year early.
 
Next time I'll know to check with you rather than my sources at Qld Health.

No need for sarcasm, i think it is odd that if there is a strong hypothesis it is being withheld given this is not the norm. If you are so confident re your inside sources you'd share the theory.
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Oh, and the Premier has just called an election, a year early

Which may increase the likelihood of closing to BNE given tactic was so successful for McGowan in his recent victory.
 
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To be fair to the Tasmanian premier, I believe he is currently governing in a minority? An election seems sensible. Presumably the result is not really in question anyway?
 
In other news ... Tasmania has just announced that they will be doing sewage testing ..... 106 days after the last new case and 227 days since the last local acquired case. I guess the health people have got to do something to keep themselves relevant.

Oh, and the Premier has just called an election, a year early.

1) What a breakthrough...
2) What a surprise.... *Goes to vomit in a corner in disgust at our state governments*
 
To be fair to the Tasmanian premier, I believe he is currently governing in a minority? An election seems sensible. Presumably the result is not really in question anyway?

At the risk of bringing on the ire of a mod: Yes and yes (although the Tas Hare-Clarke system can throw up some unexpected results). Last comment on the election.
 
Got to love the QLD Premier and CHO press conference, stuttering out:

‘Don’t panic’

Ummm mates, the only reason people panic in because of what people like you do in this situation. So just don’t do it!
 
We may end up finding a “link”, but it’s interesting that there is now a seemingly unrelated case in the community within 2 weeks of the known leak. It’s almost like it did get out, however the general population testing rates in Queensland just meant it took a long time to find it.

If that’s the case (and there’s a very good chance that it is), one has to question why we haven’t seen people presenting to hospital unwell or dropping like flies in the street.
 
. Plus they didnt need to make the changes they are before resuming, could have been done in parallel.

And how exactly could that be done in parallel more than it was?

While one could argue about how long it took to resume at a greater capacity (Some HQ operated throughout) the process of testing every room and the entire HVAC system takes time. And if they were pressure testing each room the equipment to do this type of test, and the experienced and expert staff and consultants that perform these tests is not in abundance in Australia. You also certainly cannot test those rooms and HVAC systems and still operate a building for HQ.

Then to decide what work should be done, then to contract the works and and obtain necessary skilled staff staff and materials also takes time. For example it has been stated that the HVAC has had the airflow increased. In most cases that will need new more powerful fans. They have to be sourced and fitted, tested and their operation fine tuned. The software operate and monitor these HVAC Systems will also have been needed to have been at least updated, and quite probably substantially monitored. Then there are the flyers, damping systems, fresh air intakes etc etc

After that they would probably have checked the works performed have had the desired outcome by again pressure testing a representative sample of the rooms.

Note that even if all the then current stock was abandoned and new hotels swapped to, that that also takes time, even at the lesser previous standards which have now been moved away from. You have to source the new properties (which now has been done as new HQ stock has been added), those properties have to be transitioned out of their previous use and commitments, Especially now that a more rigorous ventilation testing process is to be used for all new HQ. Also rushing to swap to hotels that had not been properly checked or commissioned could have caused more problems.

What could possibly have been done may been have to continue to operate some more of the non medical HQ (as the medical-HQ facilities had already last year been commissioned at a much higher standard late last year). However the net gain would over time not have been really greater as that would have meant shutting them down now. And that also means still operating facilities that they had lost faith in.
 
We may end up finding a “link”, but it’s interesting that there is now a seemingly unrelated case in the community within 2 weeks of the known leak. It’s almost like it did get out, however the general population testing rates in Queensland just meant it took a long time to find it.

If that’s the case (and there’s a very good chance that it is), one has to question why we haven’t seen people presenting to hospital unwell or dropping like flies in the street.

The other real positive is how little media traction this is getting.

I took a peek under the hood, its nowhere near the top of most algo's.... which means population isn't clicking on it....

This is a really good first step, people aren't as interested -> media won't hype it because no $ -> everything starts to calm down a bit -> government doesn't see it as a populist strategy anymore to SLAM things shut ->we hopefully see more restrained reactions.

Also with almost 500,000 most at risk vaccinated, most people know of a vulnerable person who has been vaccinated now... people are feeling safer.... 'Well grandma is vaccinated, so I'm happy now, time for this all to calm down'.

This will also start to turn into people getting pissed off alot more if the state governments overplay their hands again.
 
If that’s the case (and there’s a very good chance that it is), one has to question why we haven’t seen people presenting to hospital unwell or dropping like flies in the street.

Well the majority of people do not tend to feel that unwell, or even have symptoms. This case is only 26 and it may be that whoever he caught it off may have also been young.

It is probably often largely a matter of luck whether someone early in a transmission chain is symptomatic or not. Which is why surveillance testing of high risk cohorts like HQ and Border Force Staff is such a good idea.
 
And how exactly could that be done in parallel more than it was?

The way that every other state has kept taking arrivals whilst also implementing improvements, vaccinating their staff and dealing with clewning up community cases.

They could temporarily continue to use existing properties without ideal airflow but with better PPE (fitted N95s for all staff) whilst testing and improving the target properties for better future use. There is no shortage of largely empty hotels. But this requires accepting some risk in mean time (like all the other states that take arrivals are doing), something Vic wont do but expects other states to do in processing its returning residents for them.
 
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