Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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Well the majority of people do not tend to feel that unwell, or even have symptoms.

So why the panic?

Im not being intentionally argumentative, but I think we’re at the point where we need to have a good hard look at how we’re treating this. Realistically, we’ve now had this virus circulating in a very complacent Queensland community for 2 weeks, and not a single person has gotten sick.

The collective “nanna” is being vaccinated at a strong rate, so perhaps now is the time to move on from caring about individual cases.
 
Qld only stopped FIFO with PNG last week. Do we know if there were any non HQ (i.e home) arrangements for any PNG FIFO workers ? With high case load in PNG that would be a risk, if any broke iso and mingled in community.

Diplomats who dont HQ also a risk, along with the exemptions probided to celebrities.

Speaking of which was surprised Ed Sheerin was allowed in just to attend the MG memorial as cant even argue significant economic benefit on that one (which could have if he stayed and actually toured creating local roadie and venue jobs), not aussie nor family.
 
A lot of suburbs inc Brisbane airport.

  • Albion
  • Alderley
  • Annerley
  • Ascot
  • Ashgrove
  • Aspley
  • Auchenflower
  • Balmoral
  • Banyo
  • Bardon
  • Boondall
  • Bowen Hills
  • Brisbane Airport
  • Brisbane City
  • Bulimba
  • Camp Hill
  • Cannon Hill
  • Chermside
  • Chermside West
  • Clayfield
  • Coorparoo
  • Dutton Park
  • Eagle Farm
  • East Brisbane
  • Enoggera
  • Enoggera Reservoir
  • Everton Park
  • Ferny Grove
  • Fortitude Valley
  • Gaythorne
  • Geebung
  • Gordon Park
  • Grange
  • Greenslopes
  • Hamilton
  • Hawthorne
  • Hemmant
  • Hendra
  • Herston
  • Highgate Hill
  • Holland Park
  • Holland Park West
  • Kalinga
  • Kangaroo Point
  • Kedron
  • Kelvin Grove
  • Keperra
  • Lutwyche
  • Lytton
  • McDowall
  • Milton
  • Mitchelton
  • Moorooka
  • Morningside
  • Mount Coot-Tha
  • Mount Gravatt
  • Mount Gravatt East
  • Murarrie
  • Nathan
  • New Farm
  • Newmarket
  • Newstead
  • Norman Park
  • Northgate
  • Nudgee
  • Nudgee Beach
  • Nundah
  • Paddington
  • Petrie Terrace
  • Pinkenba
  • Port of Brisbane
  • Red Hill
  • Seven Hills
  • South Brisbane
  • Spring Hill
  • St Lucia
  • Stafford
  • Stafford Heights
  • Stones Corner
  • Taigum
  • Taringa
  • Tarragindi
  • Teneriffe
  • The Gap
  • Toowong
  • Upper Kedron
  • Virginia
  • Wavell Heights
  • West End
  • Wilston
  • Windsor
  • Woolloongabba
  • Wooloowin
  • Wynnum
  • Wynnum West
  • Zillmere
 
Im not being intentionally argumentative, but I think we’re at the point where we need to have a good hard look at how we’re treating this.

We have realistically been at the point in all states except Victoria since last June.
 
So why the panic?

Because the state premiers whipped everyone into a state of fear and did their best to keep them there. A good way to keep themselves in the spotlight.

Things have changed now they will find with so many people vaccinated..... I'm hoping...... please.......!

I think people are panicking because they think trigger happy CHO's/Premiers are going to overreact on borders and restrictions, again.
 
This will also start to turn into people getting pissed off alot more if the state governments overplay their hands again.
I certainly hope so. It's all so unnecessary, and especially now that so many of the vulnerable have started vaccination. That being the case, with aged and disability care residents high in stage 1a, I don't really see why the need to stop visitors yet again as reported by ABC news in the original linked article. So if this is a "test case", I would say nothing has changed with vaccination in relation to the freedom to go about life normally.
 
When there is a hypothesis waiting on genomic test to 100% confirm link they usually say so, as this reduces panic.

I understood the Friday date was based on symptom onset and disease progression. hope you are right, but seems strange they havent mentioned what it is.
With respect, your assertion is based only on the times that this has been made public, not on how often it actually has happened.
There have been quite a few situations where the hypothesis has not been shared publicly and you simply don’t know about them. The reasons vary, but there is usually a privacy component to them.
 
I certainly hope so. It's all so unnecessary, and especially now that so many of the vulnerable have started vaccination. That being the case, with aged and disability care residents high in stage 1a, I don't really see why the need to stop visitors yet again as reported by ABC news in the original linked article. So if this is a "test case", I would say nothing has changed with vaccination in relation to the freedom to go about life normally.
I don’t have an issue at all with the restrictions being implemented in ages care and hospitals across Brisbane and Moreton Bay. These people are still amongst our most vulnerable, and whilst vaccines are being rolled out, there are still a lot in these communities who have not had a second dose, or have had a second dose of Pfizer within the last week and are yet to have built full immunity. It’s a restriction that doesn’t seem to have much downside when these highly vulnerable individuals are so close to protection but are not there yet.
 
I don’t have an issue at all with the restrictions being implemented in ages care and hospitals across Brisbane and Moreton Bay. These people are still amongst our most vulnerable, and whilst vaccines are being rolled out, there are still a lot in these communities who have not had a second dose, or have had a second dose of Pfizer within the last week and are yet to have built full immunity. It’s a restriction that doesn’t seem to have much downside when these highly vulnerable individuals are so close to protection but are not there yet

Yep, restrictions and provisions to protect the vulnerable in aged care are perfectly justified, and largely inline with what we do during flu seasons (or major flu events, like the swine flu outbreak a few years ago).
 
have changed. Massively. For every state

All states except Vic managed to keep covid out of aged care well before vaccine. We could have had restrictions to protect the vulnerable without needing to close the state boarders as has been done too many time for a handful of cases.

Looking at Covid hospitalisations since June in NSW, vast majority have been overseas arrivals. Only a handful of community cases have ended up in hospital, even less in ICU and no deaths from community cases from Crossroads onwards. The last covid death was someone who had recovered from covid in April 20 and died in January 21 but had other health issues. Outside Vic no hospital systems overwhelmed.

Vaccination will provide massive benefits but isnt widespread enough yet to say that risk is significantly different for most people. HQ workers have early benefit but 99% of the country still waiting on a first dose.

Vaccination is key for international travel resuming, not a must have for domestic boarders to stay open given very low community rates periodically. It was never ok to slam borders shut becuase of a handul of cases, and justification weakened constantly as QR codes andmask wearing came in.

Past behaviour shows pragmatism re state borders in short supply outside of NSW. I hope that this is changing but suspect more to do with elections being over than the current extremely limited progress of vaccine roll out.
 
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All states except Vic managed to keep covid out of aged care well before vaccine.

I am not sure where your data is from?

Vaccination in aged care started recently in late Feb 2021. Last aged care recipient anywhere was infected sometime before 26 September 2020.


COVID-19 outbreaks in Australian residential aged care facilities
National snapshot

Current situation in Australia In Australia, a total of 29,090 cases of COVID-19 have been reported, including 113 active cases and 909 deaths
As at 5 March 2021, there are no active cases of COVID-19 in a staff member in a Commonwealth funded aged care service.
As at 8:00am on 5 March 2021, there are no active cases in residential aged care recipients.
The last new active case of COVID-19 in a residential aged care recipient was identified on 26 September 2020.
There have been no active cases of COVID-19 in aged care recipients since 28 October 2020.

 
What is your point? Nothing in your post disproves anything i said re keeping Covid out of aged care everywhere except Victoria since June last year (because yet again you take things out of context of the original reply). The last Covid aged care case was in Vic in October, October is later than June, enough said.

The only state that had wide spread aged care cases in Australia was Victoria. NSW has 2 facilities with significant issues last April, but theylikeother states kept it at bay since those were resolved.
 
NSW has 2 facilities with significant issues last April, but theylikeother states kept it at bay since those were resolved.

And last April is a key point there. Just like the Ruby Princess, not a single person in the world had any damn idea what was going on in April 2020. We’re now nearly in April 2021 and we’ve got a much better picture of this virus now. Frustratingly, our management strategy doesn’t seem to have evolved a great deal (outside of NSW)
 
What is your point? Nothing in your post disproves anything i said re keeping Covid out of aged care everywhere except Victoria since June last year (because yet again you take things out of context of the original reply). The last Covid aged care case was in Vic in October, October is later than June, enough said.

The only state that had wide spread aged care cases in Australia was Victoria. NSW has 2 facilities with significant issues last April, but theylikeother states kept it at bay since those were resolved.


My point is your statement was wrong. All jurisdictions had kept Covid 19 from infecting aged care residents from well before vaccinations commenced.


What happened mid-last year is not relevant to the risk to aged care residents now. What is relevant is how they are operated now.

The context today was risk to aged care residents now. As such there is no current difference between aged care in all the jurisdictions, and has not been since processes were altered back in September, and especially in the Federally and Private Sector Operated Aged Care Facilities.

So all aged care residents have for some time been in well protected environments, and as part of that if there is community transmission concern temporary restrictions are put in place such as in Qld today.
 
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why is June the magic cutoff after which aged care cases are an issue?

Again out of context, my original point was that by June last year case numbers were sufficiently manageable everywhere that state border closures didnt need to become the big thing they were, except to Melbourne which had to go back into lock down due to significant uncontrolled spread and poor contract tracing in July.

Aged care risk was being touted as the reason for the multiple border clsoures, i disputed the validity of that justification since covid was kept out of aged care very early on in the majority of country, due to procedures (PPE, distancing, visitor restrictions) not because of interstate travel bans.

The border closures were mostly poltical and fear driven based on what was happening overseas. The last few lock outs in particular very nonsensical because of 1 or 2 cases.

Border closures are a blunt tool, we had Covid levels that allowed for much more nuanced approaches.
 
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