Australian women dies on Qatar flight, passengers accuse QR of delayed slow response

[Pushka]

No you don't.


That is true, but can still do a lot of the CPR without the breathing bit. Doing a CPR/resus course explains all that.

That is why I would never ask someone why they didn't respond or even do CPR. Or criticise someone for same. Rather I would ask people to reflect on their response under similar circumstances and encourage everyone to do a CPR/basic first aid course.


A rescue manoeuvre . Simple to do
BUT it needs someone to act


Exactly. CPR is not an all or nothing. Something is better than nothing


Yes, the more help the better. But as I said all along, someone needs to be the first responder. A first responder calls for help. With luck there might be a passenger RN or an paramedic or MBBS on board.


BUT until then it's all about Basic first aid which may or may not include CPR

Instead of "I can't because of 1,2,3"
I would rather people said: "I tried"

and maybe that's exactly what the QR staff did but reporting couple couldn't see. We don't know what condition they found her in when they arrived at her seat. And nor do the couple who went to the media. Why didn't they simply go to the police on arrival?

 

[Quickstatus]

and maybe that's exactly what the QR staff did but reporting couple couldn't see

IDK and that's why my comments were not directed at any particular person but rather for all of us generally

 

[Pushka]

IDK and that's why my comments were not directed at any particular person but rather for all of us generally

Yes. Good point. And I do get involved and have been involved.. Just not sure other than calling yelling for help I'd get involved on a plane unless asked to by the crew.

 

[Quickstatus]

Just not sure other than calling yelling for help I'd get involved on a plane unless asked to by the crew.

Sure, I understand a personal decision, but I can't see the impediment

 

[MinnieM]

Its hard for the crew, they did their best.
They had done CPR and defib, maybe its expected too much of them, to do a lot more.
But in the confines of Y, with nearly a full set of pax, and they also did ask if there were any doctors on board, to commit as TOD...
Its hard.
They would have been trained for certain things, but if they went over that, they would have been in trouble.
The lady probably already had heart problems, but we will not know/never know, unless the coroners final notes are disclosed publicly.

It was the timing----they waited too long before asking if there was a doctor on board. If someone is in distress with a breathing issue you would ask for assistance straight away, not wait 20 minutes

 

[MinnieM]

On the account of the pasengers it seems they called for a Dr over the PA but then the deceased passenger was left alone for some time before CPR and other attention was administered.

It appears the thing that’s getting the media attention was that the deceased passenger was left unattended for a period of time when others thought they needed assistance immediately…

The crew performed CPR 20 mins after the initial concern, the lady was by then deceased. By the time they asked for a doctor an hour had passed. Too little too late

 

[MinnieM]

On the account of the pasengers it seems they called for a Dr over the PA but then the deceased passenger was left alone for some time before CPR and other attention was administered.

It appears the thing that’s getting the media attention was that the deceased passenger was left unattended for a period of time when others thought they needed assistance immediately…

Wrong-the passenger was left alone for 20 mins, then the crew tried cpr and defib and then a doctor was called for

 

[RooFlyer]

Welcome to AFF. @MinnieM

 

[Pushka]

The crew performed CPR 20 mins after the initial concern, the lady was by then deceased. By the time they asked for a doctor an hour had passed. Too little too late

I don't think I'd be watching the clock at such a time...

 

[Quickstatus]

Similar scenarios play out in hospitals. Visitors and family often baulk at calling for help.
Hence we encourage including family everyone to not hesitate to speak up if they are concerned and for staff to listen

 

[drron]

Welcome to AFF @MinnieM .
Unfortunately for the women the points you raise whilst sounding bad would almost certainly not have made any difference in this case. Discussion earlier in this thread. Survival after out of hospital cardiac arrest is very unlikely.
She also may have had a large Pulmonary embolus. The chance of survival from that in a plane is zero.

 

[tdimdad]

There are people in this discussion I'd love to fly with!
Those who can encourage us to do more or who can educate us as we go, thanks for doing so! I hope you continue whenever the topic offers an opportunity for it.

 

[Princess Fiona]

It was the timing----they waited too long before asking if there was a doctor on board. If someone is in distress with a breathing issue you would ask for assistance straight away, not wait 20 minutes

It’s actually possible that they called for help onboard but just not in the Economy cabin and only after failing to get one announced it there.

I have had this exact scenario years ago. I was in Y and saw some commotion going on in the back of the aircraft. A pax wearing F pjs strode past me (bulkhead Y) with cabin crew.
I asked what was going on and they told me medical emergency.
I went down the back to see if they needed help.
The Gynaecologist there was most grateful when I said I was (at that time) an EM Advanced Trainee Dr.
He shuffled off back to F pretty quickly.

OT but event happened at the gate and we were able to deal with it and get underway.

 

[jakeseven7]

It’s actually possible that they called for help onboard but just not in the Economy cabin and only after failing to get one announced it there.

I have had this exact scenario years ago. I was in Y and saw some commotion going on in the back of the aircraft. A pax wearing F pjs strode past me (bulkhead Y) with cabin crew.
I asked what was going on and they told me medical emergency.
I went down the back to see if they needed help.
The Gynaecologist there was most grateful when I said I was (at that time) an EM Advanced Trainee Dr.
He shuffled off back to F pretty quickly.

OT but event happened at the gate and we were able to deal with it and get underway.

Trust a consultant to be flying F
And now look where you are @Princess Fiona !

 

[adammarcos]

They were not with her when she Speed Test was receiving attention so how could they know what her state was. Nor do they know the expertise of the people treating her.