Baggage allowance on VA ticketed DL flights

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sogg

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Hi Guys,
Going to the US in a couple of weeks and all internal flights are with DL, the flights were booked through a travel agent are are all on my International VA itinerary. Now i know in economy Mel-LAX on VA i get 2x23kg, and on the itinerary is lists that i have 2PC allowance for all the DL flights, but a friend of mine who recently did a similar trip (not with VA but had internal DL flights) also had 2PC on the itinerary but at checkin were told by DL staff that it doesnt apply and they only get 1 and need to pay for the other.

Can anyone confirm if its 1 or 2 pc of luggage for DL flights on a VA ticket?
 
Last month my allowance as a plat was 3x23kg (VA coded DL domestic flight). I was allowed 2x23kg. There was zero flexibility, i was half a kg over and had to take stuff out else he was gonna charge me and I couldn't check in another bag. I wasn't overly happy about it, but I've gotten used to the Velocity quasi-alliance not working properly. Wasn't given priority security either.
 
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I asked this very question yesterday while I was negotiating my paid upgrade to EC (for which they have overcharged me). The response from DL was "you will receive the same baggage allowance as is your entitlement with Virgin Australia". Hmmm, possibly that can be interpreted a number of ways I suppose.
 
If you're on a VA ticket with DL connecting flights the allowance on these DL flights should be the same as your VA allowance.

Checked baggage allowance | Virgin Australia

"Above allowances apply if you are travelling on a VA codeshare flight operated by Delta Air Lines or Hawaiian." Assuming you dont have > Red status with VA your itinerary looks correct.

If you're booking directly with DL the VA benefits probably won't apply.
 
Last month my allowance as a plat was 3x23kg (VA coded DL domestic flight). I was allowed 2x23kg. There was zero flexibility, i was half a kg over and had to take stuff out else he was gonna charge me and I couldn't check in another bag. I wasn't overly happy about it, but I've gotten used to the Velocity quasi-alliance not working properly. Wasn't given priority security either.

Out of interest, did your itinerary have 2 or 3 PCS on it?
 
It's the VA flight number that is all important.
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The use of "ticketed with" has no meaning as to points earning generally; a booking can be made "on the Stock" of many airlines.

Look at you ticket number (3 digits, maybe a '-' then another 10 digits); VA ticketed bookings start with 795- (QF is 081-, AA is 001-).

Frequent flyer programs earnings with VA (and FWIW, QF) are based on the "Marketing Carrier" with reference to booking class.
 
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The use of "ticketed with" has no meaning as to points earning generally; a booking can be made "on the Stock" of many airlines.

Look at you ticket number (3 digits, maybe a '-' then another 10 digits); VA ticketed bookings sdtart with 795- (QF is 081-, AA is 001-).

Frequestn flyer proma earnings with VA/ and QF are based on the "Marketing Carrier" with reference top booking classs./

For frequent flyer earning, yes, it's the marketed flight number that matters. However, for baggage, the relevant minimum allowance is what your ticket says. (This is regulated in the US.) The ticketed allowance will normally be set by the marketing carrier of your first long haul segment and it should be listed on your eticket. If your Australia-LAX flight is marketed by VA, it will probably be 2x23 kg in economy; if your Australia-LAX flight is marketed by DL, it will probably be 1x23 kg in economy. This allowance should then apply for the rest of the ticket, including domestic flights on Delta (as long as they're on the same ticket).

Note that any additional allowance based on your elite status is not part of the ticketed allowance, so Delta does not need to honour it on domestic segments in the US, even if the flight is VA-marketed. (They of course can legally choose not to charge you their fees for whatever reason they like, including VA elite status, but are not obligated to and Delta doesn't say anything on their web site about granting bag fee exemptions to VA elites.)

See the rule from the US DOT. Specifically, page 23167 of the document (the last page), S399.87 (emphasis added):

For passengers whose ultimate ticketed origin or destination is a U.S. point, U.S. and foreign carriers must apply the baggage allowances and fees that apply at the beginning of a passenger’s itinerary throughout his or her entire itinerary. In the case of code- share flights that form part of an itinerary whose ultimate ticketed origin or destination is a U.S. point, U.S. and foreign carriers must apply the baggage allowances and fees of the marketing carrier throughout the itinerary to the extent that they differ from those of any operating carrier.

In practice, I'd be sure to have my eticket with me which lists the ticketed allowance from VA of 2 bags and show it to any Delta agents who try to give you less. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Delta agents (out of ignorance, not malice) try to charge you fees for any bag over the normal Delta Australia-US baggage allowance even though the VA allowance legally applies. A copy of the DOT rule might help too, though human beings don't generally take well to lawyering like that.

(This is all my understanding.)
 
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...For frequent flyer earning, yes, it's the marketed flight number that matters. However, for baggage, the relevant minimum allowance is what your ticket says. (This is regulated in the US.) The ticketed allowance will normally be set by the marketing carrier of your first long haul segment and it should be listed on your eticket. If your Australia-LAX flight is marketed by VA, it will probably be 2x23 kg in economy; if your Australia-LAX flight is marketed by DL, it will probably be 1x23 kg in economy. This allowance should then apply for the rest of the ticket, including domestic flights on Delta (as long as they're on the same ticket).
Note the Marketing carrier rules is only for USA itineraries.

For Travel that does not involve the USA then it is the operating carrier being the MSC; the allowance can be different for each separate "journey" (being on or more consecutive flights without a stopover) within the one booking.
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Note that any additional allowance based on your elite status is not part of the ticketed allowance, so Delta does not need to honour it on domestic segments in the US, even if the flight is VA-marketed. (They of course can legally choose not to charge you their fees for whatever reason they like, including VA elite status, but are not obligated to and Delta doesn't say anything on their web site about granting bag fee exemptions to VA elites.)

See the rule from the US DOT. Specifically, page 23167 of the document (the last page), S399.87 (emphasis added):
True - the airlines, including Virgin Australia can actually files their elite allowances with APTCO - if they did, such allowance, if for the first journey, would be promulgated for travel for the entire booking.

It seems all airlines have decided not to do this.

Note this from VFF earlier this week: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....aggage-allowance-single-53211.html#post887738

Seems Qantas can do it a bit better: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ancisco-qantas-united-52819-2.html#post882217
 
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Out of interest, did your itinerary have 2 or 3 PCS on it?

Itinerary showed the standard 2 pieces, didn't show any elite allowance. DL did pick up my VA Plat, as lounge access and premium boarding was all ok, and I got the "sky elite" on the BP.
 
Itinerary showed the standard 2 pieces, didn't show any elite allowance. DL did pick up my VA Plat, as lounge access and premium boarding was all ok, and I got the "sky elite" on the BP.

Ok, thanks. Reason being I'm in the same boat next month to/from MCO. Have had VA acknowledge the allowance should be 3 PCS, and got them to even reissue the itinerary/ticket to show this (virtuallythere.com confirms), but have a feeling this isn't going to go as smoothly as it should...
 
Thanks for all the replies on this. Checking my eticket on virtuallythere shows 2PC allowance for every flight listed on the ticket. So from what i read i basically have to stand my ground at delta checkin if they try to charge me for the extra bag. Im thinking of printing out and highlighting page 23167 of the document (the last page), S399.87 (emphasis added) of the link ashill posted and ripping it out if they still try to charge me for the 2 bags
 
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