Bali in relation to Schappelle Corby

[Pushka]

The drug issue is the reason I would not travel there coupled with various newspaper article of stitch ups by authorities. Would consider non tourist spots but just don't know if I would risk it.

Well, it seems from this report its the tourists you need to avoid, not the Balinese. I'm just wondering what you feel you are risking? Stitch up? The people confessed to bringing in drugs. Well 'cept for Schappelle but that's a different story.

 

[Blinky]

Re: Bali and the death penalty

I'm pretty certain that it's the Javanese who are pushing drugs in Bali.

 

[drron]

Re: Bali and the death penalty

As I thinking of a similar post directing people back to the topic. I'm not so concerned about the death penalty. But the outcome of the case is bizarre. The granny has been (allegedly) blackmailed into this act. The prosecutor apparently accepted that defence and recommended a lessor gaol term. But then doesn't seem to have gone after the blackmailer to any extent.

Then the judges have rejected both the defence (it seems) and also the prosecution cases, ruling that the grandma didn't cooperated and did not admit ownership. Despite the prosecutor being quoted that she did cooperation and did admit to owning the drugs.

I actually didn't know about Japan and just thought you might have only thought about the obvious routes via SIN/ME and to USA. The same with South America, I wasn't sure. But the connections onwards are clearly rubbish. Perhaps I should have also mentioned South Africa but that seemed obvious, so despite my ignorance of capital punishment there, I just assumed they might still have it based on your post.


Now this looks like I'm still arguing, but I'm not

But i enjoy arguing with you.

Now to your first post.this situation is actually not unusual with the Indonesian judicial system.Judges are not bound by the prosecution or defence and are allowed to question all witnesses-more like a coronial inquiry than a british type criminal case.It is based on the Dutch system.Quoted in the Corby thread-
Indonesian Legal System and Schapelle Corby - Saturday Extra - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I guess the judges decided 4.8KG of cocaine was a little extreme.
British housewife caught with $2.6M in cocaine could face death - CNN.com

Of interest I looked up the earlier reports of her trial.Initially the court was told she was unaware she was carrying drugs yet now she says she was forced to.
BBC News - Bali drug trial: Lindsay Sandiford 'had cocaine in suitcase'

The case of the fellow who she delivered the cocaine to has not yet been finalised.The others were charged with being in possession of weed,hence more lenient sentences.

 

[medhead]

Re: Bali and the death penalty

Now to your first post.this situation is actually not unusual with the Indonesian judicial system.Judges are not bound by the prosecution or defence and are allowed to question all witnesses-more like a coronial inquiry than a british type criminal case.It is based on the Dutch system.Quoted in the Corby thread-
Indonesian Legal System and Schapelle Corby - Saturday Extra - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Yeah, very true. I'd expect in all/most legal systems the judges are of course expected to make their own judgement of the facts. I guess I was thinking along the lines of an agreed statement of facts.

I guess the judges decided 4.8KG of cocaine was a little extreme.
British housewife caught with $2.6M in cocaine could face death - CNN.com

Of interest I looked up the earlier reports of her trial.Initially the court was told she was unaware she was carrying drugs yet now she says she was forced to.
BBC News - Bali drug trial: Lindsay Sandiford 'had cocaine in suitcase'

I don't think the amount matters if there really is blackmail/extortion involved. Of course, the earlier reports add some information on that point. Still if she did lead them to the others why pretend she didn't know? She must have gone into the case having already grassed them up. A confusing story at this late stage.

The case of the fellow who she delivered the cocaine to has not yet been finalised.The others were charged with being in possession of weed,hence more lenient sentences.

The story I read suggested that he was looking at 15 years for possession. IF he is the ringleader/extortion action by threats I would have thought he'd be up for more.

 

[Bundy Bear]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Trending story according to FB(Facebook)
The decade-long ordeal of convicted drug smuggler Schapelle Corby is finally over, after Indonesian authorities granted a parole order for her release. Corby is expected to leave Bali's Kerobokan prison within days.

And in case you didn't know it; Perth Scorchers beat Hobart Hurricanes in the Twenty20.

Thanks all, all good. Got a diagnosis we were expecting (ADHD), and at this stage no suggestion that medication is required.

I saw the story on ABC last night about ADHD, I guess you now have a diagnosis Katie and you can now work towards making things easier for everyone.

 

[QF WP]

The totally off-topic thread

Trending story according to FB(Facebook)
The decade-long ordeal of convicted drug smuggler Schapelle Corby is finally over, after Indonesian authorities granted a parole order for her release. Corby is expected to leave Bali's Kerobokan prison within days.

So now for her to stay with her sister until her parole is over.

And in case you didn't know it; Perth Scorchers beat Hobart Hurricanes in the Twenty20.

Just finished watching it - they were always going to win

 

[anat0l]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

So now for her to stay with her sister until her parole is over.

The BBC did a Features article which I read on their mobile app about the "Australian fascination with Schapelle Corby". Apparently, Schapelle has the equivalent fascination akin to the case of the bygone Lindy Chamberlain.

Every media outlet will be hounding her like a pack of hunting dogs pursuing a lone fox as soon as she sets a foot out of that prison.

 

[QF WP]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

The BBC did a Features article which I read on their mobile app about the "Australian fascination with Schapelle Corby". Apparently, Schapelle has the equivalent fascination akin to the case of the bygone Lindy Chamberlain.

Every media outlet will be hounding her like a pack of hunting dogs pursuing a lone fox as soon as she sets a foot out of that prison.

The fascination of the average Aussie male with Schapelle is her body.

 

[anat0l]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

The fascination of the average Aussie male with Schapelle is her body.

Her body? Please...


On that note, I've got two bits bet that RALPH are chasing after her - long time follow-up shoot after her sister graced the covers ages ago.

 

[Robbi]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

The fascination of the average Aussie male with Schapelle is her body.

I have less than zero interest in her. If she'd told the truth from the beginning she'd be out by now - not that I care about that either.

 

[Pushka]

The totally off-topic thread

42 here in Adelaide today.

As far as Schappelle Corby goes, I think she's the victim of her totally dysfunctional parents, especially her father. Her family loyalty got in the way and everything spun out of control after that. I was never a fan but on reading more about some of the history I came to think enough's enough.

So I'd pose this question. You knew you father was a convicted marijhuana dealer. He places a huge amount of pot in your bag - maybe you might know he was going to put a little in but not a huge pallette of the stuff. When you are found out you'd be in shock at the amount and think 'no way' then it came to you sadly that yes, he'd done it. Do you betray your father or suck it up yourself.

 

[ReLoad]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

So I'd pose this question. You knew you father was a convicted marijhuana dealer. He places a huge amount of pot in your bag - maybe you might know he was going to put a little in but not a huge pallette of the stuff. When you are found out you'd be in shock at the amount and think 'no way' then it came to you sadly that yes, he'd done it. Do you betray your father or suck it up yourself.

It is pretty simple, you always tell the truth. Telling the truth no matter how hard it is at first always gets you a better outcome. She would be well out of jail already if she had have told the truth.
Given her crimes she was always going to have an enormous amount of scrutiny placed upon her, telling the truth made even more sense, but she was either too dumb to do it, or too dumb to listen to those telling her not to.

I personally am amazed she is goign to get out, a pretty piss weak outcome from the Indonesian justice system given their "hard line" against drugs.
For those that know much more than I, what would the sentence be here in AU for a similar crime?

(Oh and QF delivered my luggage yesterday sans boogie board full of wacky tabacky)

 

[Pushka]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

It is pretty simple, you always tell the truth. Telling the truth no matter how hard it is at first always gets you a better outcome. She would be well out of jail already if she had have told the truth.
Given her crimes she was always going to have an enormous amount of scrutiny placed upon her, telling the truth made even more sense, but she was either too dumb to do it, or too dumb to listen to those telling her not to.

I personally am amazed she is goign to get out, a pretty piss weak outcome from the Indonesian justice system given their "hard line" against drugs.
For those that know much more than I, what would the sentence be here in AU for a similar crime?

(Oh and QF delivered my luggage yesterday sans boogie board full of wacky tabacky)

Telling the truth may have got Schappelle a better outcome. It would have landed her terminally ill father in jail, possibly die there.

I dont think she was dumb. She was completely torn.
The older I get I realise that life is shades of grey and not black and white. And I'm a former police officer.

 

[anat0l]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

I personally am amazed she is goign to get out, a pretty piss weak outcome from the Indonesian justice system given their "hard line" against drugs.
For those that know much more than I, what would the sentence be here in AU for a similar crime?

Well, I don' t know what the sentence would be in Australia. It would always be commensurate to the street value of the drugs and whether she was being honest at the trial (being honest in the trial in Indonesia could still get her on death row). I guess the only guarantee is that one of the penalties in Australia cannot be death - and likely not life imprisonment either. In fact, I'd harbour a guess that if a similar crime were committed in Australia, you'd be unlucky to get 9 years like Schapelle (and of course in a prison facility likely an order or two of magnitudes better than Kerkoban (sp?)).

Mind, had it been crack that was in that boogie board rather than weed, there would be almost no doubt that Schapelle would be judicially six feet below by now.

Telling the truth may have got Schappelle a better outcome. It would have landed her terminally ill father in jail, possibly die there.

Not sure about getting the father there - they'd have to expatriate him there, and then he wouldn't be the "importer" since he didn't actually bring the drugs to the country.

Int side of OOL getting smashed right now. 1 x B777, 3 x A330 and an A320 on the apron right now and about to be joined by a CZ A330. Happy times!

A B777 at OOL? Who owns it?

Are CZ starting services to OOL?

 

[Pushka]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Not sure about getting the father there - they'd have to expatriate him there, and then he wouldn't be the "importer" since he didn't actually bring the drugs to the country.

Would you take the risk? Look at what the Commonwealth Police did to the Bali 9 - I'm referring to the Father who told the Police what was about to happen so they could stop his son, but the Police let it all happen anyway and they were caught in Bali. I know that happened afterwards, but a family who had stoushes with the law previously just wouldn't be prepared to risk that.

 

[Buzzard]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

I'm over Schapelle...... moved on years ago

Media please note: Is this really the most important news item?

 

[drron]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

I'm over Schapelle...... moved on years ago

Media please note: Is this really the most important news item?

I'm totally with you there.10 minutes on the story to start the channel 7 news last night.
The one thing that impressed me was the Indonesian Justice Minister keeping his cool with the inane questions being asked by our media.How many times did he have to say that the Corby papers were in the 1291 pardons that he had signed.
Then the farce outside the Bali jail.I have no time for Mercedes but that media scrum was pathetic.

 

[Robbi]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Telling the truth may have got Schappelle a better outcome. It would have landed her terminally ill father in jail, possibly die there.

I dont think she was dumb. She was completely torn.
The older I get I realise that life is shades of grey and not black and white. And I'm a former police officer.

Assuming for a moment it was all daddy's doing, not that I believe that, her father probably would have escaped any serious time if he was terminally ill. I would have dobbed him in a heartbeat for trying to **** up my life and get me killed!

I have always believed in shades of grey.

 

[amaroo]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Schappelle is a convicted drug smuggler and should be treated like one.

I have more time for David Hicks. Interesting that Hicks military appointed legal council Major Michael Dante Mori had his own fight with the US military establishment due to his excellent work representing Hicks. He ended up a Lieutenant Colonial in the Marines, retired, moved to Melbourne and works for the firm Shine Lawyers

 

[Pushka]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Major Michael Dante Mori had his own fight with the US military establishment due to his excellent work representing Hicks. He ended up a Lieutenant Colonial in the Marines, retired, moved to Melbourne and works for the firm Shine Lawyers

My son sent Major Mori an email commending him on his work in what must have been extremely difficult circumstances. He sent a great email in response.