Beware the business bogan

[harvyk]

Let me understand this - the article has 2 core points.

1. Just because a seat has the ability to tilt, it doesn't mean it has to
and
2. Accepting and confirming that you will attend a catered event and then not showing up is rude

Does any fool want to argue with me about these two points, because I'm just in the mood(y).

Whilst I won't argue with point number 2 (as I agree very much so) point number 1 is a bit contentious. Personally I feel that unless it is during meal times, take off \ landing, it is very much my right to be able to adjust my seat to give me maximum comfort (as is the right of the person in front). That's not to say "to hell with the person behind", however if they did not intend for seats to be reclined then why do the airlines enable them to be so?

 

[JohnK]

The old reclining debate again!

There is no 'unwritten rule' about reclining, the only rule is not to recline during take off/decent-landings and meal times.

Why? If the person in front is not reclined what would an extra 3-4 inches of recline do for you? Absolutely nothing. That is what it is going to do other than giving you a false sense of feeling you are in charge especially on a short flight.

And as long as I experience people like this in front of me in the times that I cannot get bulkhead or exit row in economy then I will continue to yank the seat in front when I need to get up every 10-15 minutes. Try and stop me as it is my right to use any means possible to get up out of my seat. I am not going to be gentle to try and assist a wanker who clearly does not care for my comfort on a flight....

 

[casanovawa]

Can't help thinking that the concept of thinking about others these days has gone out the window....

I for one don't like people reclining their seats into me, specially on short flights... We all complain these days about flying in tin cans in cattle class (well those of us who aren't elevated enough or have big companies to move us to the front of the plane) so why anyone really wants to recline back into and reduce someones room alludes me sometimes... And i try not to do it to the people behind me either... And be considerate when getting up or getting baggage etc, etc...

The argument that the seat reclines and so its my right, well lets face it the airlines don't care much about passenger comfort over profit and the seats are already pretty stock standard so i can't see airlines putting non reclining seats in anytime soon (unless its matched with reducing the space even more to inhumane levels) so there will always be that option i imagine, its just up to everyone to think about the people's comfort around them and whether it really overides any desperate need to put their seat back a few inches for a couple of hours...

The world would be a much better place if people at least considered others a bit more...

 

[Moody]

Whilst I won't argue with point number 2 (as I agree very much so) point number 1 is a bit contentious. Personally I feel that unless it is during meal times, take off \ landing, it is very much my right to be able to adjust my seat to give me maximum comfort (as is the right of the person in front). That's not to say "to hell with the person behind", however if they did not intend for seats to be reclined then why do the airlines enable them to be so?

Presumably the airlines provide a recline in cattle-class to embellish the apocraphal notion that you can sleep in an economy seat. But never fear - I have a solution.

The front half of economy seating should be non-reclining, and the rear half will have the magic DYKWIA button. We could then have bundles of fun watching Devo's Freedom of Choice in action.

 

[KiwiBob]

If it gets too much I just open and shut my tray table, pushing it back with a nice sharp bang, press my knees into the seat back, and generally act like a big 5 year old. Sometimes they get the message, if not it keeps me amused.

Two can be obnoxious, not just one.

 

[11sjw]

Lets make a distinction here. Mine is the 3 hr mark. Flights go longer than that and I don't have an issue with people reclining outside of meal times.

However having completed a fair few 1.5-2hr flights this year there are people who want to recline. Some of you are seriously suggesting some very childish antics because they do. I suggest you need a solid drink of concrete at your next trip through the QC.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

The old reclining debate again!


Why? If the person in front is not reclined what would an extra 3-4 inches of recline do for you? Absolutely nothing. That is what it is going to do other than giving you a false sense of feeling you are in charge especially on a short flight.

And as long as I experience people like this in front of me in the times that I cannot get bulkhead or exit row in economy then I will continue to yank the seat in front when I need to get up every 10-15 minutes. Try and stop me as it is my right to use any means possible to get up out of my seat. I am not going to be gentle to try and assist a wanker who clearly does not care for my comfort on a flight....

Sorry, you lost me on that one Johnk.

 

[MarkD]

Some of your suggestions are very immature an childish. You do not own the aeroplane, you are complaining about your comfort and how your trip is being ruined by " the wanker that reclines". Well tell me, what are you doing for their comfort, their enjoyment, when you are constantly kicking their seats and disturbing them. Bloody thugs and school yard bully tactics. One day you may bite off more than you can chew, and someone will turn around and smack you in the mouth. Very self scented and arrogant comments in this topic, are you people really that inconsiderate, or do I not pick sarcasm on a forum? Kind of makes me rethink my involvement in this forum, not sure I want to be involved in a forum where it appears a substantial number of posters are pompous arrogant wankers

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Some of your suggestions are very immature an childish. You do not own the aeroplane, you are complaining about your comfort and how your trip is being ruined by " the wanker that reclines". Well tell me, what are you doing for their comfort, their enjoyment, when you are constantly kicking their seats and disturbing them. Bloody thugs and school yard bully tactics. One day you may bite off more than you can chew, and someone will turn around and smack you in the mouth. Very self scented and arrogant comments in this topic, are you people really that inconsiderate, or do I not pick sarcasm on a forum? Kind of makes me rethink my involvement in this forum, not sure I want to be involved in a forum where it appears a substantial number of posters are pompous arrogant wankers

+10000000000000000

 

[11sjw]

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[Oneworldplus2]

Yes, l added the 00's the make up the character limit, and a few for good luck, lol.

 

[11sjw]

I kid you not. Pascoe (well i think it is him) is sitting 4 seats away from me in the QP (PER) at the Mac terminals. Might go and recline something into him.

 

[medhead]

Recliners who actually recline and go to sleep are not the problem. It's those who recline and then sit up with their back off the seat that are the problem. They have no reason to be reclined because they aren't physically using the recline.

Yep there are some childish suggestions here, and I've experienced a deliberate seat kicker on one flight when I recline to sleep as I was feeling a bit ill. But as a mobility restricted person, I agree with JohnK. I physically can't stand up without grabbing the seat in front, when it is reclined. In fact, I have trouble when it is upright sometimes. So just as I don't know why they have reclined, they don't know that I need to grab their seat to stand up.

Anyway, the simple solution is not to bang and kick the seat, the simple solution is to use your hand to limit the seat at a modest recline angle as they are reclining. Done correctly they think the seat is at maximum recline and are none the wiser.


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[Canny man]

Gee, the world really divides between those that have consideration for others and those that don't. It's just like the other thread yesterday with someone boasting about getting to the toilet quickly so they can take 30 minutes - oblivious to the discomfort of others.

 

[userlame]

Not sure if this is common knowledge, but if I suspect the person in front is going to be a 'recliner', as soon as the seatbelt light goes off, I drop my tray table, take my copy of 'The Australian Way' and fold it in half and wedge it as far as it will go between the arm of the tray table and the back of the seat in front.

The tray table doesn't recline with the chair, it's always in the same position relative to your own chair, so the person in front is only able to recline as much as they can squish the magazine. It means that you have to have your tray table down the whole flight, but that's not usually a problem on a short flight with a meal service.

 

[harvyk]

In all the pettiness and nastiness about how you can annoy the person in front, did anyone stop and think to simply ask the person "excuse me, would you mind not reclining your seat so far back?"

The only time I've ever knocked someone back on this request was on a midnight LAX-SYD flight in Y on the A380 when the person in front had also reclined. I would not have had any space at all had I complied. However if asked politely I'd usually do move the recline forwards to come to a happy medium, and IME so do most other people if you ask nicely. I've only ever had one person be an coughhat about it, they where also an coughhat to the FA who asked them to put their seat back upright for takeoff (and then ignored them and dropped the seat back as soon as the FA was out of sight) so I didn't take it too personally.

 

[casanovawa]

Well i guess most people don't ask the person in front to not recline so far as they expect a negative response and i for one don't like confrontation etc... I guess if we all stand on our rights we have the right to recline into others, we have the right to be juvenile and kick seats, we have the right to break wind in planes and we have the right to come on here and brag about all the nasty tricks we do to other people on planes and no one can tell us to stop it... It's our right afterall... In short a fairly lousy world with all the freedoms we have if we choose to exercise them... I think that was why manners and courtesy came into vogue to reduce the sharp edges so we could all live together (as we are required to) and get along by choosing to use some judicious restraint now and then by considering the greater good, or at least not simply its all about ME all the time... Pity manners and self restraint are fast dying out...

 

[Moopere]

Why? If the person in front is not reclined what would an extra 3-4 inches of recline do for you? Absolutely nothing.

You can't possibly know how more or less comfortable someone might be by reclining their seat. All you can know is that you (apparently) get no additional comfort from it.

And as long as I experience people like this in front of me in the times that I cannot get bulkhead or exit row in economy then I will continue to yank the seat in front when I need to get up every 10-15 minutes. Try and stop me as it is my right to use any means possible to get up out of my seat. I am not going to be gentle to try and assist a wanker who clearly does not care for my comfort on a flight....

Well, whatever floats your boat I suppose. You are basically waiting to meet someone as aggressive in their view of their own rights as yourself so you can have a bit-o-biffo on the plane. I guarantee you will meet that guy one day, I just hope it becomes an exchange of opinion you are happy with and that he is physically smaller than you.

 

[harvyk]

casanovawa - So you'd rather elevate a situation rather than simply ask the person would they mind?
Besides, whilst I'm sure the airlines feel you have the right to recline a seat (if they didn't want you to they would prevent you from doing so, aka exit row seats on takeoff \ landing), I expect they don't feel you have the right to kick the seat in front, or to lodge stuff in such a way that it prevents the seat from operating correctly etc...

 

[casanovawa]

No i don't escalate it and don't really ever do silly things to the back of the chair in front... I just tend to not have a lot of time for the person in front doing it but just suck it up... If they were being a total prick about it or compromising my safety by not putting the seat up at landing and disobeying FA's instructions then things would change fairly quickly... One way or another that chair would be going up...