Beware the business bogan

[JohnK]

Got to love the reclining debate. I should really stay away from it.

Sorry, you lost me on that one Johnk.

How did I lose you?

1) I fail to understand what 3-4 inches recline (what is it ~10 degrees?) can do for your comfort on a short flight and if the person in front is not reclined why would you recline? Does leaning back slightly really make a person sleep better?
2) I have trouble getting up out of my seat moreso if the person in front reclines. What do you think I should do to get out of my seat with now even less space to manoeuvre? Slide out of my seat so as not to disturb the recliner in front? Sorry I ain't that stupid.

You can't possibly know how more or less comfortable someone might be by reclining their seat. All you can know is that you (apparently) get no additional comfort from it.

Correct. I am not an expert but most people I know do not recline on most flights, especially if they have bulkhead or exit row, and even if they wanted to recline would consider the comfort of others behind before their own.

Well, whatever floats your boat I suppose. You are basically waiting to meet someone as aggressive in their view of their own rights as yourself so you can have a bit-o-biffo on the plane. I guarantee you will meet that guy one day, I just hope it becomes an exchange of opinion you are happy with and that he is physically smaller than you.

You are of course assuming that I would fight with someone. Was I born yesterday? If they really wanted to fight then I would let them hit me and they would have to answer to Federal Police on arrival. I would not be afraid to lay charges either.

"Excuse me sir, do you mind if I recline on this 25 minute flight?"
"In fact I do mind!"
"No problem."

Or

"Excuse me sir, do you mind if I recline on this 25 minute flight?"
"No problem, go ahead!"
"Why thank you very much."

Slam the seat back like you don't care about anyone and I will act the same.

And not that it matters much to recliners but I never, ever, recline if seated in bulkhead or exit row. Poor form if you do....

 

[Oneworldplus2]

How do u know if someone has a back injury or back problems?
How do u know if someone just pulled a double shift and wanted 3-4 inches to help them relax?
How do u know if someone didn't get a decent nights sleep?
How do u know if......blah blah blah.

Don't like it, fly an airline where seats don't recline.

I think it's time to exit this thread.

 

[oz_mark]

Don't like it, fly an airline where seats don't recline.

Jetstar tried that. IIRC, it wasn't a popular aircraft.

 

[airbridge]

Looking forward to seeing more of the Sicma Aerospace seats on aircraft. They don't recline back rather the bottom of your seat moves forward. Finally put an end to the reclining seat madness. ANA have installed them on their 787.

Not sure if I can post links with my access but here it goes ....... Sicma - Nos produits : Gamme par gamme

 

[drron]

I come back to my experience on Air asia.In Asia if someone inclines into you just start coughing and say-Darn this swine/bird flu.You have never seen seats go upright as fast.

 

[MatF]

Looking forward to seeing more of the Sicma Aerospace seats on aircraft. They don't recline back rather the bottom of your seat moves forward. Finally put an end to the reclining seat madness. ANA have installed them on their 787.

Not sure if I can post links with my access but here it goes ....... Sicma - Nos produits : Gamme par gamme

The infamous CX Y shell seats are like this. I had a god awful 14hrs in one from LHR to HKG, and nearly lost the will to live. The problem is the seat pitch rarely allows the seat to move forward much before your knees end up firmly embedded in the back of the seat in front.

Maybe I'm just long from hip to knee

 

[ReLoad]

Looking forward to seeing more of the Sicma Aerospace seats on aircraft. They don't recline back rather the bottom of your seat moves forward. Finally put an end to the reclining seat madness. ANA have installed them on their 787.

Not sure if I can post links with my access but here it goes ....... Sicma - Nos produits : Gamme par gamme

Some of those seats look terrible. The Majesty seat looks like a dentist chair. - there's one way to pass the time, get a root canal while flying to London.

 

[Moopere]

If they really wanted to fight then I would let them hit me and they would have to answer to Federal Police on arrival. I would not be afraid to lay charges either.

You'd both be done I'd say. One for assault and one or incitement. At the very least you'd both have to front and explain yourselves. But seriously ... is this sort of passive-aggressive behaviour the way to deal with not liking the conditions sold under most Y type seating? I'd have thought that if it bothered you enough to actually put yourself into potential harms way (Feds or not, you might get a bloody nose!) you'd be buying J seating and adding years of lifespan through de-stressing.

 

[tuapekastar]

"I disapprove of you reclining, but I will defend to the death your right to do it". (with apologies to Evelyn Beatrice Hall)

I don't recline on anything under ~4 hours (maybe if the seat behind was vacant I might), and don't particularly like it if the pax in front of me does so, but really, the provision is there, provided by the carrier, and as long as it is outside mealtimes, and not done in a snap-jerk fashion, what right have I to complain? (though I do have some sympathy for long limbed people seated behind recliners).

 

[medhead]

Given the view expressed here that the mere existence of the recline button means it must be used without any consideration of how it impacts on people behind, I doubt asking nicely will result in anything more that get stuffed.

 

[oz_mark]

Given the view expressed here that the mere existence of the recline button means it must be used without any consideration of how it impacts on people behind, I doubt asking nicely will result in anything more that get stuffed.

Recline button? pfft. I just sit in the self reclining seats

 

[Archphoto]

The infamous CX Y shell seats are like this. I had a god awful 14hrs in one from LHR to HKG, and nearly lost the will to live. The problem is the seat pitch rarely allows the seat to move forward much before your knees end up firmly embedded in the back of the seat in front.

Maybe I'm just long from hip to knee

Then I must be too - did HKG-ADL and was *the* most uncomfortable flight I've ever taken. Think it has something to do with the pressure on the coxic bone - I had a terrible backache for the entire flight and barely got a wink of sleep.

 

[Boris spatsky]

I cant believe that the reclining seat issue is being raised again.

Get over it!

 

[straitman]

I cant believe that the reclining seat issue is being raised again.

Get over it!

Hey you have only had to watch it reappear for 17 months.

Have pity on the some of the rest of us.

 

[JohnK]

How do u know if someone has a back injury or back problems?

Back injury or back problems and they can recline. Must be much better than me as I cannot lean back and need to actually sit forward to feel remotely comfortable.

How do u know if someone didn't get a decent nights sleep?

And they are going to get a decent nights sleep in economy? Some of my best flights have been from the time I have slept after the meal to the time I woke up on descent. It is great to be able to sleep leaning forward.

Hey you have only had to watch it reappear for 17 months.

Have pity on the some of the rest of us.

Why is this any different to the best seats in business class, or best aircraft, or food on offer, or priority boarding etc etc.

You'd both be done I'd say. One for assault and one or incitement. At the very least you'd both have to front and explain yourselves. But seriously ... is this sort of passive-aggressive behaviour the way to deal with not liking the conditions sold under most Y type seating? I'd have thought that if it bothered you enough to actually put yourself into potential harms way (Feds or not, you might get a bloody nose!) you'd be buying J seating and adding years of lifespan through de-stressing.

Done for using the seat in front to get up? By the way I do not inflame any situation by kicking seats and the like. And most other times I am seated in bulkhead or business class anyway. Easy way to avoid recliners. But I have lengthy experience of people in front reclining and realising that the person behind was going to be in trouble and put their seat back up immediately.

But I bet you wouldn't want to listen to the stories because as the recline button is there it should be used....

 

[straitman]

Why is this any different to the best seats in business class, or best aircraft, or food on offer, or priority boarding etc etc.

There was no suggestion that it is any different. It was simply answering a post.

 

[blackcat20]

Back injury or back problems and they can recline. Must be much better than me as I cannot lean back and need to actually sit forward to feel remotely comfortable.

The only time I've ever reclined on a domestic flight was when I had a shoulder/back injury. Only reclined a fraction, just to take the pressure off, and of course checked to make sure the person behind wasnt using their tray table etc.

Long haul, then reclining is perfectly acceptable for night flights, especially as usually everyone is in the recline position. Though I have been stuck behind an idiot who reclined for the full 14 hours from MEL to LAX, including meals...

I've also copped the slam-back on a domestic flight, during drink service. Spent two hours sitting in the remains of my vodka drink...and didn't even get offered a replacement.

 

[Moopere]

But I bet you wouldn't want to listen to the stories because as the recline button is there it should be used....

You got that right, absolutely.

Plus, I rarely travel Y nowadays because its a zoo and the attitude and general demeanour of the inhabitants is not something I enjoy dealing with - but horses for courses.... Its not the Pax fault most of the time, they are simply choosing the cheapest way to get from A to B and the cheapest way is, these days, so damn nasty that even a saint would be likely to get miffed and aggravated.

I feel I should add though, its no good for anyone to simply make up rules that they think are reasonable. If we all did this it would be chaos. I might not like the smells, lighting, or other aspects of air travel, but I can't just go around expecting anyone to agree with me. The seats are sold with a level of amenity as described by the airlines themselves, usually along the lines of "generous recline" (hahahahaha). The rules and conditions can be changed ... why not lobby the airlines to stop recline in Y?? Or better, to increase seat pitch?

Not a lot to be gained by pretending there are unwritten rules about this stuff and then chastising pax because they either don't know about it or disagree.

 

[Canny man]

I'm old school on reclining. I actually hate it when I get a dodgy seat that reclines itself without a button push. I believe in do unto others as you would have done unto you. In other words I don't like having the seat in front of me recline so I won't do it to someone else.

 

[juddles]

Canny Man, must agree. My personal rule is I never recline on short haul. Long haul in a J pod it is not an issue. But when as you say a dodgy seat autoreclines I hate it. Do to others as......and I never want even an unknown person to think anything less.