Bonza Airline Discussion

[Saab34]

Another new one started today. MCY-ROK

Loads look sold out tomorrow MCY-MKY and MCY-AVV

 

[PineappleSkip]

Quirk of the app, or momentary glitch in their systems? It's showing MCY-MKY $59 for me and MCY-AVV for $189. Oddly there appeared to be more available seats on the AVV flight. Tomorrow'sflight to PPP is $39 and very lightly loaded.

But if you couldn't find seats you'd just go for another carrier. Risk of only having a single online platform.

cheers skip

 

[Saab34]

Public Holiday/Long Weekend in Melbourne today so many people returning to Victoria today and tomorrow, hence the high pricing and I assume high loads. Most flights into Melbourne today are $300 minimum.

That $189 is still 50% cheaper vs the last minute fares MCY-MEL on the others tomorrow. Jetstar is $500/$650 for OOL-MEL on all flights tomorrow. Crazy.

Likely a missed opportunity, they could have run double daily AVV-MCY over this weekend, and even the Easter period, flights seem full but they don't have a flight everyday, why not run two a day? The aircraft are just sitting idle. Make hay while the sun shines...

 

[HS-TQE]

UDV has been marked as NTU and has been transferred to to Flair to cover capacity due to Flair's known leasing reposession/disputes in Canada.

 

[Euripides]

I will not be installing an app. that has the potential to harvest my personal data and pass it on to who ever. Silly move not to have website bookings available.

 

[PineappleSkip]

Welcome to AFF, @Euripides

Cheers skip

 

[Daver6]

I will not be installing an app. that has the potential to harvest my personal data and pass it on to who ever. Silly move not to have website bookings available.

You do realise they'll harvest the same personal data by booking via a website?

 

[serfty]

You do realise they'll harvest the same personal data by booking via a website?

Not necessarily... other than info necessary for booking you can have more control with what other information may be shared by using various browsers and addons.

 

[Saab34]

The app was created in house also by 777. Not sure how big the Bonza cyber teams are, likely one person or even possible outsourced.

You could give a fake home address when booking if you really want, I mean, I doubt they really need to know my home address, nor do check-in agents check or care.

 

[Euripides]

Dave6 said:-
"You do realise they'll harvest the same personal data by booking via a website? "
(sorry don't know how the Quote thing works yet)

That's not the point, an app. can be written to harvest anything on your mobile, that's why I have none installed on my mobile

 

[justinbrett]

Dave6 said:-
"You do realise they'll harvest the same personal data by booking via a website? "
(sorry don't know how the Quote thing works yet)

That's not the point, an app. can be written to harvest anything on your mobile, that's why I have none installed on my mobile

Depends on your OS. You would have to give the app permissions first.

 

[Euripides]

justinbrett said:-
Depends on your OS. You would have to give the app permissions first.

Yes in an ideal world, however as I said it's possible to harvest anything if desired from a mobile. (my authority for saying this, I have a computer science degree). It comes down to the integrity of the programmer writing the app. and what his employer wants.

Example: why do some governments (Aust is dragging the chain here in some departments) forbid government employees installing TicToc on government supplied devices?

 

[JamesR2]

Well, this is a very strange name, and got me very confused this morning.

I heard about this on the radio, and I thought the new airline were to be called 'bonsai'. I was like, Japanese tree now are we? Okie ......

Hmm

 

[justinbrett]

justinbrett said:-
Depends on your OS. You would have to give the app permissions first.

Yes in an ideal world, however as I said it's possible to harvest anything if desired from a mobile. (my authority for saying this, I have a computer science degree). It comes down to the integrity of the programmer writing the app. and what his employer wants.

Example: why do some governments (Aust is dragging the chain here in some departments) forbid government employees installing TicToc on government supplied devices?

Because in the case of TicToc the user has to grant the permissions to use the app, and then it's more about the data stored in the network than the app itself.

In the case of apple they have very tight security - the only way they can harvest anything on your phone is if the user grants the permission. App security overview.

Most small apps, like Bonza's, are just a website with a bit of custom code.

 

[dajop]

Probably best to have just a feature phone if that worries about data harvesting .

It’s quite impressive/scary what is happening in the background. An anecdote: I only ever drive when back in Australia and even the not often. The other day I was driving down the Calder Fwy and got stuck behind someone for 5 mins who was basically in the right lane but not overtaking, travelling more or less at the same speed as the car beside them. Lo and behold that evening for the first time ever a short video pops up in my YouTube feed expressing angst at people sitting in right land and not overtaking. Haven’t had a video like it before then nor since that night. Tell me that was just a coincidence and google maps isn’t monitoring your driving and feeding stuff through to YouTube.

 

[justinbrett]

Probably best to have just a feature phone if that worries about data harvesting .

It’s quite impressive/scary what is happening in the background. An anecdote: I only ever drive when back in Australia and even the not often. The other day I was driving down the Calder Fwy and got stuck behind someone for 5 mins who was basically in the right lane but not overtaking, travelling more or less at the same speed as the car beside them. Lo and behold that evening for the first time ever a short video pops up in my YouTube feed expressing angst at people sitting in right land and not overtaking. Haven’t had a video like it before then nor since that night. Tell me that was just a coincidence and google maps isn’t monitoring your driving and feeding stuff through to YouTube.

Very different (and wrong, IMO) to conflate the two issues.

You're talking about Google tracking your use and sharing its data with other Google applications within the Google ecosystem.

Google and Facebook are both famous for doing that. They even made a movie about it (really good IMO - The Social Network).

It's quite another step to say an app like Bonza is going to harvest your data from your phone against your will & knowledge.

 

[dajop]

I’m always wrong around here these days. But never mind. It’s just an illustration.

 

[Daver6]

Not necessarily... other than info necessary for booking you can have more control with what other information may be shared by using various browsers and addons.

You can control what's shared from an app in either of the two major modern phone operating systems.

Dave6 said:-
"You do realise they'll harvest the same personal data by booking via a website? "
(sorry don't know how the Quote thing works yet)

That's not the point, an app. can be written to harvest anything on your mobile, that's why I have none installed on my mobile

So you have a smart phone with no apps installed and don't use the web browser?

justinbrett said:-
Depends on your OS. You would have to give the app permissions first.

Yes in an ideal world, however as I said it's possible to harvest anything if desired from a mobile. (my authority for saying this, I have a computer science degree). It comes down to the integrity of the programmer writing the app. and what his employer wants.

I'm not sure holding a computer science degree makes someone an expert in cyber security. I'm not suggesting you're not, but one does not equate to the other. Just like holding a computer science degree doesn't make one an expert in using a UI on a website for quoting messages

Example: why do some governments (Aust is dragging the chain here in some departments) forbid government employees installing TicToc on government supplied devices?

I take your point about the ingretity of the app provider. However, how long do you think Bonza will remain in business if their app is found to be harvesting random data from your phone? Answer, not very long. This is the exact reason why Tic Toc has been banned by some government phones. It's the concern of spyware being deployed.

It's also possible to harvest anything from your computer for all the reasons you've given about a phone. In fact, your phone (both iOS and Android) are probably much better at sandboxing apps.

 

[Euripides]

Thanks for that, I obviously wasted my time doing Computer Science. I should have asked those here all my questions about electronic devices. All I came for to ask why Bonza does not have a web presence, but I see I was wasting my time, sorry. Bye.

 

[serfty]

You can control what's shared from an app in either of the two major modern phone operating systems.

Some apps simply won't function if you do not allow their permission requests.