Boris Johnson diagnosed with COVID-19

[serfty]

The Crown is not the real source of executive power at all. It is just a figurehead mechanism and has been such for a long, long time.

In practice, yes, but in strict legality, no. The Queen still has to approve legislation in the UK, same as the GG's here in Oz.

I was 17 in November 1975 ...

 

[lovetravellingoz]

In practice, yes, but in strict legality, no.

Effectively is just a Royal Rubber Stamp.

The Queen still has to approve legislation in the UK, same as the GG's here in Oz.

I was 17 in November 1975 ...

I suspect that if the Queen started to try and wield any power rather than rubber stamp the decisions made by others that the Queen would soon become a member of general public.

As long as the monarchy stays just as a figurehead and tourist dollars continue to flow then the monarchy in the UK will remain.

I was 17 in November 1975 ...

So you witnessed the example of not a royal make a decision, but of Australian politicians achieving their desired outcome.

 

[Isochronous]

The Crown is not the real source of executive power at all. It is just a figurehead mechanism and has been such for a long, long time.

Ministers are commissioned by the Crown. Legislation has no effect until it receives Royal Assent. The right to declare war is exercised by the Crown. The monarch is commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

You are confusing the concept of source with the practice of to whom powers are normally delegated and exercised.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Ministers are commissioned by the Crown. Legislation has no effect until it receives Royal Assent. The right to declare war is exercised by the Crown. The monarch is commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

You are confusing the concept of source with the practice of to whom powers are normally delegated and exercised.

If the Queen was stupid enough to try and issue a military order, and she is not, it would be ignored.

If the Queen was stupid enough to try and declare war, and she is not, it would be ignored.

If the Queen was stupid enough to try and make political policy, and she is not, it would be ignored.

 

[Isochronous]

If the Queen was stupid enough to try and issue a military order, and she is not, it would be ignored.

If the Queen was stupid enough to try and declare war, and she is not, it would be ignored.

If the Queen was stupid enough to try and make political policy, and she is not, it would be ignored.

Congratulations on missing the point entirely once again.

 

[serfty]

Effectively is just a Royal Rubber Stamp. ...

The "rubber" stamp you refer to is acceding to the Government's wishes.

... So you witnessed the example of not a royal make a decision, but of Australian politicians achieving their desired outcome.

I was not old enough to vote, but I did witness it. Ironically, it was the Queen's representative, the GG, who in the name of the Crown went against the Government's wishes, no rubber stamp there.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The "rubber" stamp you refer to is acceding to the Government's wishes.
I was not old enough to vote, but I did witness it. Ironically, it was the Queen's representative, the GG, who in the name of the Crown went against the Government's wishes, no rubber stamp there.

Yes Kerr acted inappropriately in a number of ways. Kerr disregarded our constitution and political conventions of the day.

The facts of the Whitlam dismissal are more important than ever

It's one of the most important events in Australia's political history. Facing the facts of our past can teach us how to better face the present, writes Christopher Pollard.

www.abc.net.au

Royal's and their representatives do not always follow the rules (and neither do politicians and the general public). Prince Andrew for example has been removed from Royal duties due to his USA past escapades.

 

[drron]

No the people had their say.They rejected Whitlam convincingly.
And in the article it doesn't mention that the 2 High Court judges said Kerr could do what he did.Far greater weight than a report by Jenny Hocking and her conspiracy theory which that article is based on.

 

[TheRealTMA]

No the people had their say.They rejected Whitlam convincingly.
And in the article it doesn't mention that the 2 High Court judges said Kerr could do what he did.Far greater weight than a report by Jenny Hocking and her conspiracy theory which that article is based on.

Lol. We disagree completely again, Drron! But this thread is going off topic like so many others.

 

[Pushka]

Ahem. How did that diversion occur! I don't want to play in that space. Social distancing and all that. Back to Boris.

 

[serfty]

Ahem. How did that diversion occur! I don't want to play in that space. Social distancing and all that. Back to Boris.

A Question of "Succession" Planning; should BJ not be able to return to Ministerial Duty.

See post No. 48 ...

In reality, Succession is an incorrect term in this case - for the UK, Prince Charles is the current successor.

For PM's, it matter of replacement and until Parliament can elect a new one. In Australia, this is normally the Deputy PM; the UK parliament has no such designated position.

Her Majesty's Government: The Cabinet - MPs and Lords - UK Parliament

This list details those MPs and Members of the House of Lords that hold a government post, their position and department.

members.parliament.uk

Current Ministry List

Current Ministry List

www.aph.gov.au

 

[lovetravellingoz]

For PM's, it matter of replacement and until Parliament can elect a new one. In Australia, this is normally the Deputy PM; the UK parliament has no such designated position.

In practice in Australia I think the incumbent party would like in the UK elect a new leader. That could be the Deputy Leader, but most likely I think someone else would arise.


When Harold Holt suddenly disappeared:
With the country not having a leader because of the Prime Minister’s definitive disappearance a new leader had to be appointed. John McEwan was sworn in as Prime Minister by the Governor General on December 19, 1967 on the understanding that he would have this role until the Liberal party appointed its new leader.

McEwan was the PM for 22 days.

McEwen ceded power to John Gorton after 23 days in office, and in recognition of his service was appointed deputy prime minister, the first time that position had been formally created.

Then John Gorton was elected.

Gorton defeated three other candidates for the Liberal leadership after Harold Holt's disappearance on 17 December 1967. He became the first and only senator to assume the office of Prime Minister, but soon transferred to the House of Representatives in line with constitutional convention.

 

[RooFlyer]

For PM's, it matter of replacement and until Parliament can elect a new one. In Australia, this is normally the Deputy PM; the UK parliament has no such designated position.

Isn't the UK like Australia and the party, not Parliament elects the head of the Parliamentary Party in power who in their case then goes to the Queen and is invited to form a government as PM?

In Australia the Deputy PM is the deputy leader of the Labor Party if they are in power, or the Leader of the National Party if its the Coalition (at least by convention).

Oops, I see LTO beat me to it; mis read it the first time I read it.

 

[Austman]

Breaking news, live from London, says Mr Johnson has left hospital.

 

[DC3]

Oh Boris. Where to now?

 

[serfty]

Breaking news, live from London, says Mr Johnson has left hospital.

I saw reports this evening that Mr Johnson had been far more crook than reported.

 

[Comoman]

Oh Boris. Where to now?

Gone to Chequers

 

[DC3]

Gone to Chequers

Nothing like high tea in the countryside, eh?

 

[OZDUCK]

I saw reports this evening that Mr Johnson had been far more crook than reported.

The ABC has been saying for a number of days that it believed his illness had been deliberately downplayed in press releases.

Boris Johnson's battle with coronavirus begs the question: was the public told the truth?

Just hours before he was admitted to intensive care, Downing Street was insisting Boris Johnson was still well enough to govern. But, as Samantha Hawley asks, was he really?

www.abc.net.au

 

[drron]

What a load of rubbish all this is.he was moved to ICU which meant his condition was serious.
Astute observers of the photo on his admission could note the cyanosis-so the only bit of the story that is possibly true was re his condition on admission.But again mild cases of Covid 19 are not admitted to hospital.