China - never a dull moment!

sean all the HSR services operate in same manner - you speak Chinese so will be easy for you to buy tix at station - just front up and buy whatever class you want depending on availability SH-BJ / BJ-SH.

For those who do not speak Chinese would be much safer to either get hotel concierge to buy tix or buy from CTrip. I usually ask hotel to buy for me -most timres concierge doesn't even bother to view Passport - just give them name and PP number and they get it done. CTrip you clearly have to input PP number online and you can either collect at station or have delivered.

NOTE:
If you are intending to purchase at station or indeed collect at station absolutely imperative you have your actual Passport with you to verify identity - no other identification is accepted.
 
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Does the Beijing-Shanghai HSR almost operate as a turn up and go service?

I would say it doesn't. Never had the experience ex Beijing, most of my experience is ex Shanghai. I prefer to book via C-Trip - even if it is last minute on the way to the station because you know what time you will get to the train station, be that 1-3 hours time.

My best experience of walk up to book a ticket, is that ticket is in 1.5 hours time, plus had 30 minutes in line to get to that point - so two hours - worst is 4 hour wait for next train - or no trains until tomorrow.

Almost every ticket is sold out by 4pm each day. Rocking up at 6pm, expecting a ticket for the last train option of the day at 8pm is wishful thinking - even off peak times.

I always book on Ctrip, with time to the station, plus having 30 minutes to line up for the ticket, and few minutes to get to gate/grab Mcd's etc in mind when I do so - especially Hongqiao - which is a few minutes walk from one end to the other.


You have to remember that 70% of Chinese also book online in advance - and are pooling from the same inventory. But most will not splash out for Business Class - but will choose First Class over 2nd class.

My handy hint when looking at trains, especially when looking at a run like Beijing to Shanghai - if you are not getting options you like - start to break it up over multiple tickets. Instead of a single Beijing to Shanghai, consider 3 tickets of Beijing to Xuzhou to Suzhou to Shanghai. It doesn't cost more other than admin costs per ticket which are bugger all - and can find you might be able to book it on the same train the whole way - just need to shift seats in the train per ticket - as seats are allocated at the time of booking - 1A might be free Beijing to Xuzhou, but someone in it Xuzhou-Shanghai, and then 1D is free Xuzhou to Shanghai but someone in it from Beijing - no booking engine will give you this option on a single ticket - because for it to issue it on a single ticket, the one seat cannot be allocated to anyone else for the whole journey. I have been there, done that, got me there today than tomorrow - with one of my tickets being a standing only one for 30 minutes between seats.

A common one I do is Suzhou to Ningbo - which has only 3 trains a day on under 1 ticket. However Suzhou has 100 plus trains a day to Shanghai Hongqiao, short 20-30 minute ride, and Hongqiao to Ningbo has 20-30 trains a day - which got me in the habit of looking at breaking things up when what you want is not an option.



Bus tickets is a different story....... plenty of them I would rock up and book on the day, and then hop directly onto the bus at times also.Z


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I would also add that out of Shanghai Hongqiao - I would always expect and plan 30 minutes in the que to get the ticket booked via C-Trip in my planed timings - and just be thankful when it is substantially less than that in the que.

The que to get your ticket ordered on C-Trip at any train station - is the same que/line to buy a ticket. The bonus of C-Trip is you are picking up a train ticket already purchased for a train in 10 minutes time, not for 1-4 hours time as all the trains for 10 minutes time were pre-ordered 2 hours ago.

Que's for tickets differs station to station, Ningbo is my best experience were 80% of the time you walk straight up to a counter, and 20% you have 2-5 people in line and 10 minute wait tops. Suzhou & Shanghai are my worst with 30 people deep ques the norm in my experience - and I have had a 45 minute wait in line at them also.

I cannot comment on Beijing, as I have taken a fast train to Beijing once, but never departed on a fast train from Beijing.
 
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sean all the HSR services operate in same manner - you speak Chinese so will be easy for you to buy tix at station - just front up and buy whatever class you want depending on availability SH-BJ / BJ-SH.

For those who do not speak Chinese would be much safer to either get hotel concierge to buy tix or buy from CTrip. I usually ask hotel to buy for me -most timres concierge doesn't even bother to view Passport - just give them name and PP number and they get it done. CTrip you clearly have to input PP number online and you can either collect at station or have delivered.

NOTE:
If you are intending to purchase at station or indeed collect at station absolutely imperative you have your actual Passport with you to verify identity - no other identification is accepted.

My issue was more about raw route capacity rather than ticket booking methods. It does look grim for turn up and go for BJ-SH though. Just checking the official website now (9:49 am Beijing time), it says that the next HSR service with available tickets (in first or second class) is for 12:40 pm, then 2:00pm.

Dead right about the passport. Now needed for long distance buses too.

I would say it doesn't. Never had the experience ex Beijing, most of my experience is ex Shanghai. I prefer to book via C-Trip - even if it is last minute on the way to the station because you know what time you will get to the train station, be that 1-3 hours time.

My best experience of walk up to book a ticket, is that ticket is in 1.5 hours time, plus had 30 minutes in line to get to that point - so two hours - worst is 4 hour wait for next train - or no trains until tomorrow.

Almost every ticket is sold out by 4pm each day. Rocking up at 6pm, expecting a ticket for the last train option of the day at 8pm is wishful thinking - even off peak times.

I always book on Ctrip, with time to the station, plus having 30 minutes to line up for the ticket, and few minutes to get to gate/grab Mcd's etc in mind when I do so - especially Hongqiao - which is a few minutes walk from one end to the other.

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Seems as though booking ahead for this route is still a good idea, then. I wonder how much capacity that rail line has to add more services. To compare, the Beijing-Tianjin HSR runs 100 HSR services (C/G class) a day and I've heard reports that the government is looking at duplicating the line to add capacity. Still, even though it's a small sample size, I've bought tickets for the BJ-TJ HSR twice saying nothing more than "Next train to TJ/BJ, please" in Chinese with no problem at all.


Bus tickets is a different story....... plenty of them I would rock up and book on the day, and then hop directly onto the bus at times also.

Just to add to CrusierElite's post/recommendation above, China has now implemented the "Real Name" system for long distance buses too. Therefore, you will need approved ID (for foreigners, that's your passport) to book bus tickets.
 
And another western institution closed in Beijing - Tiki Bungalow - it ain't progress it's 'foreigner cleansing' - not my words - conveyed to me by some friends who are 10yr+ Beijing residents.
 
And another western institution closed in Beijing - Tiki Bungalow - it ain't progress it's 'foreigner cleansing' - not my words - conveyed to me by some friends who are 10yr+ Beijing residents.

Can understand how it may appear that way. But a lot of things going on ATM and not restricted to Beijing. Things aren't always as they appear. Things like fire standards are a concern, but also who owns the land/buildings, where the rent is going etc. These changes aren't restricted to foreign operated bars.
 
DiDi who are swallowing Uber have never had an English interface or acceptance of foreign CCs within their App - they now own Uber China and they clearly have no interest in the infinitecimally small foreign component - that's life.

Looks like Didi Chuxing is starting to make/develop an English language version of their app over the next few weeks. Will even accept foreign cards and phone numbers, apparently.

Didi Chuxing launches English-language app - Blog - Time Out Shanghai

Didi Chuxing finally rolls out English-language app for users in Shanghai, Beijing and Guangzhou!: Shanghaiist
 
PEK authorities back to theirs brilliant best - pre dep drinks onboard forbidden - 807 already 25mins late pushing back with a 55min connection in SIN - there'll be no TPR for this lil black duck tonight!

Edit: And another 15min delay awaiting take-off clearance - anybody staying in CP at SIN tonight? Me thinks I will be joining you.
 
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Hi guys, Im travelling to shanghai with my girlfriend on June 10th for 4 days. I am staying at Radisson new world on peoples square.
I was looking for advise from the frequent shanghai travellers as to what things to do during this short stay.
In particular, nice places to eat (including street food), nice entertainment, and general cultural experiences. I've gathered through the bit of research I've done that Nanjing Rd is where all the shopping is at.
I am not big on doing site seeing, such as visiting shrines and tombs etc. Just looking to have a fun time during these four days.
Any help will be appreciated!!!
 
Hi guys, Im travelling to shanghai with my girlfriend on June 10th for 4 days. I am staying at Radisson new world on peoples square.
I was looking for advise from the frequent shanghai travellers as to what things to do during this short stay.
In particular, nice places to eat (including street food), nice entertainment, and general cultural experiences. I've gathered through the bit of research I've done that Nanjing Rd is where all the shopping is at.
I am not big on doing site seeing, such as visiting shrines and tombs etc. Just looking to have a fun time during these four days.
Any help will be appreciated!!!

You're in luck! Shanghai is not known for its sightseeing... in fact you could probably see everything you need in about three days. The city is known however for its food and bar scene... which is pretty phenomenal.

First off.. sightseeing... the Bund is the #1 spot... all the old buildings. Not that far from People's Square. Look across the river to the new waterfront at Pudong. That, and the former French Concession (great if you like Art Deco buildings), are about it.

Food and drink. right near your hotel, and beside People's Square is a bar called Barbarossa. You can google that, little bit hard to find, but they have happy hour every night from 5-8 (top shelf liquor and coughtails for a few dollars, in a pretty hip environment). There's all sorts of other places like the Yongkang Lu... a whole street lined with bars frequented by locals and expats... noisy, loud, but always great fun. You can't help but meet people there. Clubs... Mint and Bar Rouge are just a couple of the more famous ones which are easy to find and have a good mix of locals and foreigners.

Lost Heaven (again on the Bund) is a great dining experience and not that expensive, serving Chinese food. M on the Bund and MGlam also worth a visit (Aussie institutions).

you can grab a copy of That's Shanghai, or Time Out for a more comprehensive listing. But those venues should keep you occupied for a few days (and nights!)

I would steer clear of street food. It's not the same as Beijing. In Shanghai it's more little BBQ places on street corners, and the origin/type of the food is almost certainly unknown.
 
Hi guys, Im travelling to shanghai with my girlfriend on June 10th for 4 days. I am staying at Radisson new world on peoples square.
I was looking for advise from the frequent shanghai travellers as to what things to do during this short stay.
In particular, nice places to eat (including street food), nice entertainment, and general cultural experiences. I've gathered through the bit of research I've done that Nanjing Rd is where all the shopping is at.
I am not big on doing site seeing, such as visiting shrines and tombs etc. Just looking to have a fun time during these four days.
Any help will be appreciated!!!

My son lives in Shanghai and we have been there plenty of times. Despite the fact that I could walk to numerous restaurants I can't remember their names. My suggestion is to stay off Nanjing Road for restaurants and try some of the back streets. In particular on the north side their are many restaurants that are on the side streets and you will save up to 50% on the food bill. (possibly more) As we normally do we pick the restaurants that tend to be busy. You shouldn't have a problem with ordering as most have pictures of the dishes. However be mindful that many won't be able to speak English.

On the weekend early in the morning they should have dancing in Nanjing Road around Century Square. At night time they may also do the same. Ignore the Hawkers as there are plenty around. I have to admit I don't remember street food like they have in Beijing. However around the markets there is the odd road side stall selling candied apples and steamed corn. Try and find a Jian Bing (Bing = pancakes) It is common on the road side stalls and is very tasty and cheap. My son normally has one for breakfast everyday. It is savoury not sweet and has vegetables in it. Also try the Portuguese tarts (custard tarts) There are numerous shops along Nanjing Road that sell them.

I won't bore you with the shrines and tombs etc... There is plenty around. More interesting ones in Beijing. Try the Jazz club mentioned a few posts ago. Of course you must check out the 'bund' on the river. Hopefully the weather and smog will be on your side and you will have a good view of the Pudong financial area. Check out the Shanghai museum, it is very interesting and free. Not far from your hotel.

I am sure others can add to my list.... have fun.

Bolt:)
 
firstclasser - IMHO - I repeat IMHO - Radisson at People's Square is a dog of a hotel - I stayed there once - never again!

There are only 2 things I absolutely 100% recommend to ALL Shanghai visitors:
1. Do night cruise on Huangpu River to get a sensational view of lights on both Pudong (new and a tad boring) side and Puxi (old historic magnificent) side.
2. Jazz band at Peace Hotel on the Bund - actually right on Cnr Nanjing Lu.
3. Everybody loves a bargain - a trip to fake market at Shanghai Science and Technology Museum is a must - only 5 stops on subway from People's Square subway station which is over road from Radisson. Spend to your hearts content.
4. Visit Xin Tian Di which is really tourist but still fun to have a look - eat outside at Kabb if weather permits.

As MEL suggested plenty bars - Bar Rouge is as famous as any - Google is often your best friend - sit with the lovely and research then choose some of the things you find together.

Nanjing Lu (Rd) must be strolled from Bund to People's Square and vv - totally tourist central but you are both tourists so enjoy it. Don't be afraid to wander off Nanjing Lu into the side streets - way more fun and interesting here.

You can venture over to Pudong to visit the Shanghai Tower - 2nd tallest building in world. For first time visitor plenty to do in. Shanghai - make sure you ride the Maglev but also make sure you are riding it on one of its 'fast' trips at 431kmh - hotel you stay will have details.

Enjoy and if you require further info ask away. Whatever you do don't eat off the street - a dose of food poisoning and your trip is shot. YES I know you can get food poisoning anywhere - but eating off the street in China increases your risk like a gazillion times.
 
What time arr into SH mate? What time dep PEK? You have been to China before right?
Ship (Majestic Princess) arrives at 0400 at Wusongkou International Cruise Terminal so I expect we'll be off by 0900-1000 on 9th July.

We depart PEK on QF108 at 2345 on 13th July. We have only had a brief trip to China previously and our preference is to use the high speed train to Beijing.
 
Hi All,
Looking for some advice....
I travel to the DPRK once or twice a year usually and must go via PEK. I usually get a visa for China before I leave AUS which I only need for 2 days in PEK on the way thru and a few hours transit on the way home.
Last trip I noticed that China now has a 72 hour Visa on arrival which would be much easier and less expensive. The issue seems to be that they require proof of an air ticket out of the country within that 72 hours. My problem is that I can't get an air ticket to Pyongyang or a visa for DPRK until I arrive in PEK. Wondering if anyone has had experience with the 72 hour Visa and if having a ticket out was required at the time?
Cheers,
Mitch
 
Hi All,
Looking for some advice....
I travel to the DPRK once or twice a year usually and must go via PEK. I usually get a visa for China before I leave AUS which I only need for 2 days in PEK on the way thru and a few hours transit on the way home.
Last trip I noticed that China now has a 72 hour Visa on arrival which would be much easier and less expensive. The issue seems to be that they require proof of an air ticket out of the country within that 72 hours. My problem is that I can't get an air ticket to Pyongyang or a visa for DPRK until I arrive in PEK. Wondering if anyone has had experience with the 72 hour Visa and if having a ticket out was required at the time?
Cheers,
Mitch

Transit without visa has been around for years, and while it's an easy process, the basics are not negotiable... you must have an onward ticket (evidenced by a ticket number). Without that ticket you will be refused boarding in Australia (or other transit point before getting to China). If you did somehow manage to make past those checks, you would be refused entry to China (sent back to your last point of embarkation).

The cheapest option in your circumstances would be a one year multiple entry visa.
 
Ship (Majestic Princess) arrives at 0400 at Wusongkou International Cruise Terminal so I expect we'll be off by 0900-1000 on 9th July.

We depart PEK on QF108 at 2345 on 13th July. We have only had a brief trip ti China previously and our preference is to use the high speed train to Beijing.
Ok perfect - hotel choices? Are you locked into HH? Open to others?
 

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