Confirmed upgrade then IROPs, what to expect.

[ChrisMars]

Hello,

Once an upgrade is confirmed, what happens if there is an IROPS, is the upgrade lost, or can it be maintained.

It is a general question, I am particularly interested in the case of AA domestic -> Qantas internatiinal (J upgrade) situation. Thanks all!

 

[offshore171]

It really depends, but I think in most cases they will be squeezing pax onto available replacement aircraft any which way. Upgrade may be cancelled and refunded.

What was the exact scenario?

 

[justinbrett]

From my experience it does stick, but if there’s no more seats in your upgraded class you will have to accept the downgrade if you need to travel the same day. I don’t think you could expect any compensation in this instance as you’d just get a refund.

However I understand if you are willing to extend your stay you can ask to be booked on the next available service, which could be days away.

The only time I’ve had a confirmed upgrade and needed rebooking there were seats and I was automatically moved to the new flight, so was no drama.

 

[muppet]

I think it depends on how firm your travel plans are. If you can wait, I’m sure in most cases the upgrade will be honoured. If you can’t and need to get to your destination - then you gotta take what you can get (and not get upset).

I had it recently with a crazy delayed MEL-SIN. Could have waited and waited staying in J but elected to travel on another carrier in Y. Was shocking experience, but the destination was more important than a flatbed for 7 hours.

 

[equus]

Once it is under airport control and IRROPS occurs, just about anything can happen. Many years ago there were 3 of us on 2 separate tix, one paid J and the other two of us successful upgrades to U travelling SYD-HKG. This was back when the 747 ruled the sky. One 747 went tech, and the bird we were supposed to be on to HKG was swapped for the JNB flight. A different 747 configuration was swapped onto HKG - one with less J seats. All 3 of use remained in J - and I know some paid J pax were either bumped or downgraded.

 

[ChrisMars]

Thanks, all! This is currently hypothetical, but I though I would ask here to know what to expect, in case. Short connection at LAX ahead. If I miss the flight, it s anyway for the next evening, and now I know I can push for a J on AA or QF on one of the the trans pacific flight (they all leave in the evening right?) if J is available on one of them. Otherwise Y.

Actually, is Y+ a negotiable option in those scenario?

 

[love_the_life]

Once it is under airport control and IRROPS occurs, just about anything can happen. Many years ago there were 3 of us on 2 separate tix, one paid J and the other two of us successful upgrades to U travelling SYD-HKG. This was back when the 747 ruled the sky. One 747 went tech, and the bird we were supposed to be on to HKG was swapped for the JNB flight. A different 747 configuration was swapped onto HKG - one with less J seats. All 3 of use remained in J - and I know some paid J pax were either bumped or downgraded.

I tell you, if I was a paid J and needed to fly I would have been very very displeased. I would have expected the upgrades to be removed before me.

 

[justinbrett]

Thanks, all! This is currently hypothetical, but I though I would ask here to know what to expect, in case. Short connection at LAX ahead. If I miss the flight, it s anyway for the next evening, and now I know I can push for a J on AA or QF on one of the the trans pacific flight (they all leave in the evening right?) if J is available on one of them. Otherwise Y.

Actually, is Y+ a negotiable option in those scenario?

How short of a connection? D to I is pretty safe these days at LAX thanks to the terminal connectors.

I think you’re more likely be rebooked onto another flight to another Australian city that day, if there are seats available, than booked on another day. Unless you’re on the last service of course.

I wouldn’t accept Y+ as you’d be paying a lot of points for much less value. I’d rather my points back and fly in Y if it came to it.

 

[offshore171]

Thanks, all! This is currently hypothetical, but I though I would ask here to know what to expect, in case. Short connection at LAX ahead. If I miss the flight, it s anyway for the next evening, and now I know I can p

Ok it sounds more like you are describing a misconnect scenario, rather than irrops?

Is there an earlier flight into LAX?

 

[madrooster]

If it's one ticket, and AA is late, then AA would rebook you in J for the transpacific. However, if everything is full, then you may need to downgrade in order to get home in a reasonable time.

 

[ChrisMars]

How short of a connection? D to I is pretty safe these days at LAX thanks to the terminal connectors.

1.5 hours, it s plenty of time, unless the D segment is 1h late, which happened a couple of days ago.

I think you’re more likely be rebooked onto another flight to another Australian city that day, if there are seats available, than booked on another day. Unless you’re on the last service of course.

I checked, I think that's the last service, or close.

I wouldn’t accept Y+ as you’d be paying a lot of points for much less value. I’d rather my points back and fly in Y if it came to it.

Ah yea good point (pun intended)

Ok it sounds more like you are describing a misconnect scenario, rather than irrops?

Is there an earlier flight into LAX?

Can't take an earlier. The IRROPS would cause the misconnect, it s probably ok to use that term to describe the scenario?

 

[offshore171]

How long is the layover?

 

[ChrisMars]

How long is the layover?

It is 1 hour 30 min, but the Domestic leg is already anounced with delay.

Once I land in T4, I can walk directly to TBIT withtout having to clear any security, right? No immigration, just walking to my Iternatiinal gate?

 

[jpp42]

The IRROPS would cause the misconnect, it s probably ok to use that term to describe the scenario?

Not really, we're talking about Qantas here and the Qantas upgrade on the Qantas leg. If Qantas' flight leaves on time, but you're not there due to some other carrier's delay, that's not a Qantas IROPS (one R) situation. This term is specific industry jargon and by using it you imply you know what it means. This doesn't mean AA and QF won't still try to solve the problem for you, but it's a much different one to an actual Qantas IROPS situation such as an entire transpacific flight being cancelled, for example.

 

[offshore171]

It is 1 hour 30 min, but the Domestic leg is already anounced with delay.

This is getting a bit hard to follow. They have announced the domestic leg is delayed? Is this happening now? Earlier it sounded like you were talking hypotheticals.

In any case, it's not uncommon for US domestic flights, to be delayed 30, 60, 90 mins.

Particularly later in the day as delays tend to accumulate by mid afternoon.

I wouldn't be comfortable with a 1h30 min layover and would look for an earlier domestic leg. What is the origin airport for the domestic sector? Are there multiple flights per day?

 

[jb747]

I tell you, if I was a paid J and needed to fly I would have been very very displeased. I would have expected the upgrades to be removed before me.

And that's exactly what I would have expected to happen too.

 

[ChrisMars]

This is getting a bit hard to follow. They have announced the domestic leg is delayed? Is this happening now? Earlier it sounded like you were talking hypotheticals.

In any case, it's not uncommon for US domestic flights, to be delayed 30, 60, 90 mins.

Particularly later in the day as delays tend to accumulate by mid afternoon.

I wouldn't be comfortable with a 1h30 min layover and would look for an earlier domestic leg. What is the origin airport for the domestic sector? Are there multiple flights per day?

My bad, yesterday was hypothetical (I wanted to be prepared), today is unfolding and the inbound flight of my domestic leg left with a delay. As a consequences AA already announced my flight to LAX with 30 min delay. I can't take an earlier one unfortunatly. I still currently have a 60 min to do my T4 to internatiinal gate transfer (well, probably more like 30 min since I need to arrive before gate closure). AA LAS ->LAX to QF LAX->MEL.

 

[offshore171]

My bad, yesterday was hypothetical (I wanted to be prepared), today is unfolding and the inbound flight of my domestic leg left with a delay. As a consequences AA already announced my flight to LAX with 30 min delay. I can't take an earlier one unfortunatly. I still currently have a 60 min to do my T4 to internatiinal gate transfer (well, probably more like 30 min since I need to arrive before gate closure). AA LAS ->LAX to QF LAX->MEL.

Ok understood. My best guess is that you will make it if there are no further delays. Your luggage may or may not.

If you want to keep an eye on the delayed inbound aircraft here is a link. It is airborne now, so hopefully they can claw back some time.

Live Flight Tracker - Real-Time Flight Tracker Map | Flightradar24

View flight AA596 from Charlotte to Las Vegas on Flightradar24

www.flightradar24.com

 

[Bundy Bear]

From terminal 4 to TBIT there is an airside connection which is pretty quick a bit of walking just watch the signs, and don't head outside or to baggage claim.

 

[ChrisMars]

Ok understood. My best guess is that you will make it if there are no further delays. Your luggage may or may not.

If you want to keep an eye on the delayed inbound aircraft here is a link. It is airborne now, so hopefully they can claw back some time.

Live Flight Tracker - Real-Time Flight Tracker Map | Flightradar24

View flight AA596 from Charlotte to Las Vegas on Flightradar24

www.flightradar24.com

Thanks mate.
When I land in T4 (hlo), I don t need to clear any security or immigration right? I just walk (run) to tbit airside and my gate?