Coronavirus (COVID-19) Respiratory illness - Effect on Travel

[Pushka]

Wait, isn't that Sri Lankan family from QLD still there? What about their safety?

Im sure they will be kept isolated from the rest.

 

[drron]

Because of the weakness of the people that were attacked in the second wave and not simply because the virus had become more virulent.

Until we have an effective vaccine against this strain we do not know enough to be complacent. And even with that vaccine we do not know how fast and to what extent this virus will mutate. It is only in the future that we will know how this will all play out. So let’s just do some risk management hey?

The second wave simultaneously struck France,Sierra Leone and Boston.Now freetown Sierra Leone was a naval base in both wars but didn't have military in poor condition camps.The naval personnel you would expect to be reasonably healthy young men.
In the second wave the Pacific Islands were particularly affected.Death rates were -Tonga 8%,Nauru-16%,Fiji -55.Tahiti-13%.In German Samoa-administered by NZ at the time-was worst hit with 30% of men dying,22% of adult women and 10% of chidren.American Samoa was spared as the Governor immediately applied a blockade of Western Samoa.

In that second wave 99% of fatalities were in those under 65.It was definitely not the weak who disproportionally died but the young and healthy.
Another interesting fact.In the first wave many in Copenhagen were infected but a death rate of just ).02%.In the second wave the mortality rate was 0.27% immplying immunity acquired from the first wave infections.

 

[Denali]

I wouldnt complain too much about being sent to Christmas Island as an alternative to Wuhan. Heck, I would pay to upgrade my accomodation and enjoy.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Wait, isn't that Sri Lankan family from QLD still there? What about their safety?

They seemed to have a number of quarantine and strategies in place for when people get to Christmas Island

 

[Melburnian1]

'Cancelling all flights' to and from (mainland) China is an option on the table according to the White House. Apparently no decision, but if mandated, the monetary effect on airlines would be significant, although arguably CA, CX, CZ and MU would be hardest hit.

One difficulty is that not everyone arrives (or departs on) on nonstop flights.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Reports on FT and Facebook that BA is cancelling all flights to mainland China until the end of next month.

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Live update of cases if interested - Live data of Wuhan pneumonia

 

[p--and--t]

Live update of cases if interested - Live data of Wuhan pneumonia

the JHU CSSE site is reporting larger numbers, but appears only updated a couple times a day

(however it doesn't show suspected as your reference does)

 

[leadman]

Overnight i received a message from a contact in a company i deal with, so i know they are legit. They are in the metals business but i think their boss, who is not short of a quid, is trying to help the areas hospitals, etc.. Very concerning it mentions the Jiangsu province, just above Shanghai, and I'm hoping this is going into emergency stock rather than use. I would love to help but I'm in the total wrong field for this and i don't think the local Bunnings has 2.22 million masks in stock.

Someone out there might have contacts in this field to help.

 

[I love to travel]

I admit that until today I thought this was being overhyped a bit. But seeing how many airlines are straight out cancelling flightsfor at least 4 weeks or offering waivers plus HK cutting off a lot of access to China I am starting to wonder what governments are privately telling the transport industry.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Security theatre in Milan:

https://imgur.com/MgyxeUX

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Ain’t the world a wonderful thing? People are travelling with containers on their heads at YVR (PHOTOS)
And more:

 

[Pushka]

It’s likely paywalled so have posted it here. This appeared in today’s Adelaide now.com.au

“There is a suggestion that contrary to all of the previous expert advice that some people may have transmitted the virus just before they became symptomatic, whereas the normal advice has been with these viruses that you need to be symptomatic to be infectious,” he said.

“We’re convening an urgent meeting of all of our expert groups this afternoon to reconsider whether our medical advice should be changed and look at the voracity of those cases.”

Is Australia just incredibly slow on the uptake or is there really conflict as to whether this is actually occurring.

Ain’t the world a wonderful thing? People are travelling with containers on their heads at YVR (PHOTOS)
And more:

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New outbreak of hepatitis caused by the use of old water containers on ones head......

 

[I love to travel]

It’s likely paywalled so have posted it here. This appeared in today’s Adelaide now.com.au

“There is a suggestion that contrary to all of the previous expert advice that some people may have transmitted the virus just before they became symptomatic, whereas the normal advice has been with these viruses that you need to be symptomatic to be infectious,” he said.

“We’re convening an urgent meeting of all of our expert groups this afternoon to reconsider whether our medical advice should be changed and look at the voracity of those cases.”

Is Australia just incredibly slow on the uptake or is there really conflict as to whether this is actually occurring.

Announcement just made now you can get it when the other person has no symptoms.

Coronavirus contagious before symptoms show: chief medical officer

The major update in health advice comes as Victoria's chief medical officer confirms a second coronavirus case, taking the national tally to six.

www.google.com

 

[Pushka]

Announcement just made now you can get it when the other person has no symptoms.

Coronavirus contagious before symptoms show: chief medical officer

The major update in health advice comes as Victoria's chief medical officer confirms a second coronavirus case, taking the national tally to six.

www.google.com

But even that article is a nonsense. It states that people must be isolated if in contact with someone with symptoms. But the devil is that you can be in contact with a person with no symptoms who will develop this virus.
“Contacts of any confirmed coronavirus cases now must be isolated in their home following exposure," he told reporters in Canberra on Wednesday.”

 

[Tropic]

In DPS atm. Been watching Singapore's response with mandatory quarantine and strict border controls. No mucking around. Not sure what's going on in Australia (maybe having to negotiate with the States on every detail makes it hard) but seems like our national response is effectively too little too late... time will tell.

 

[p--and--t]

This will help spread of infection (of any kind) I'm sure

https://imgur.com/a/tg9N2g0

 

[drron]

But even that article is a nonsense. It states that people must be isolated if in contact with someone with symptoms. But the devil is that you can be in contact with a person with no symptoms who will develop this virus.
“Contacts of any confirmed coronavirus cases now must be isolated in their home following exposure," he told reporters in Canberra on Wednesday.”

No it is contacts of a confirmed case who are the most likely to be the asymptomatic carriers outside of China.Extremely unlikely for others to be asymptomatic carriers in Australia.

 

[Pushka]

This will help spread of infection (of any kind) I'm sure

https://imgur.com/a/tg9N2g0

If true.
It is like there is this undiscovered world of people who have no concept of disease transmission and basic hygiene.

No it is contacts of a confirmed case who are the most likely to be the asymptomatic carriers outside of China.Extremely unlikely for others to be asymptomatic carriers in Australia.

So the following scenario can’t take place? A meets up B. A is currently appearing healthy but two days later A comes down with the virus. In the meantime B is whooping up merry mayhem with C. B does not know A has been diagnosed. Two weeks later B comes down with the virus. B can’t have given it to C?

 

[drron]

No.B would not be infective at 2 days when he met C or likely at 4 days when the Health dept tracked down A's contacts and quarantined B.
Sure we do not know exactly when B would become a transmission risk to others but with other viral illnesses usually late in the incubation phase.