Coronavirus (COVID-19) Respiratory illness - Effect on Travel

[Flying mermaid]

So why do they say healthy people only if they are already positive? Symptoms don’t show for a few days so this is a real hot mess then!

What they are saying is they can’t accept people who have other medical issues e.g. diabetes where they need to inject as they have no medical equipment only beds and limited doctors and nurses. This is a quarantine area for people who have either been in contact with the virus or have possible symptoms. I guess I shouldn’t have said with the virus, as that is not clear, but with the beds that close together cross infection is going to be appalling.

 

[RB]

Bit of different info on a Singapore Ministry of Health update
MOH | Updates on 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Local Situation

 

[Melburnian1]

drron and others who have medical training, is not one of the biggest dangers for this affliction spreading how one sees so many people in Australia and overseas not using handkerchiefs or tissues when they sneeze, but instead a hand? Then they put their hands into contact with other surfaces.

Strikes me (as an uneducated, medically speaking, layman) this is a classic way to spread disease.

 

[moa999]

Sam Chui video on all the various rescue flights

While the lockdown of Wuhan may have slowed the growth rate within China, it's clearly out, with 5 other provinces having over 1000 infections which will themselves multiply, it will just take longer

 

[drron]

drron and others who have medical training, is not one of the biggest dangers for this affliction spreading how one sees so many people in Australia and overseas not using handkerchiefs or tissues when they sneeze, but instead a hand? Then they put their hands into contact with other surfaces.

Strikes me (as an uneducated, medically speaking, layman) this is a classic way to spread disease.

It depends on many factors.For instance I get hay fever so some times I will sneeze a lot but if my eyes are watering and itchy as well I am pretty sure I will not pass on a virus.It is why cruise ships generally have hand cleanser dispensers around the ship particularly at the entrance to restaurants.I must say that my experience is very few people use them.

As to cruise ships a problem for Anthem of the Seas in New Jersey.A Chinese family of 4 had 1 get flu symptoms so that family has been taken into isolation.However the report says 1 person on board has tested positive to influenza A.it doesn't say the affected family member but why test any one else until you have the answer.
In a possible over reaction it goes on to say that Health authorities have taken off the 27 Chinese passport holders and taken them to EWR to be flown back to China.Nothing said about how that might take place.

Royal Caribbean Passengers Test Negative for Coronavirus; Cruise Ship Scheduled to Depart NJ

Four passengers traveling on a cruise ship that returned to New Jersey have tested negative for the new virus that has sickened tens of thousands in mainland China and killed more than 800. Governor Phil Murphy said all passengers tested negative and “New Jersey currently has no confirmed cases...

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[Oubline]

It does. Going back to your original post, your PVG-LHR flight (only) would fall within the prima facie scope of EU261. But the airline might have a legitimate excuse for ‘extraordinary circumstances’ in this case.

They would still probably owe you a duty of care... accommodation and meals. But as you aren’t already in China that probably also doesn’t apply.

Thanks for that explanation, that’s a good point about the ‘extraordinary circumstances’ argument.

 

[jase05]

Hope this isnt insensitive but with the cancellations to China what will airlines do with their premium aircraft?
Even if the current issues with the virus is knocked on the head soon I’d imagine it would take many months or years for airlines to get back to pre virus levels of passenger movements.
Do they simply park them or throw them on to prime domestic routes in the case of the US airlines or could places like Australia see a increase in passengers and hence extra flights or larger aircraft used?

 

[I love to travel]

Hope this isnt insensitive but with the cancellations to China what will airlines do with their premium aircraft?
Even if the current issues with the virus is knocked on the head soon I’d imagine it would take many months or years for airlines to get back to pre virus levels of passenger movements.
Do they simply park them or throw them on to prime domestic routes in the case of the US airlines or could places like Australia see a increase in passengers and hence extra flights or larger aircraft used?

I think recovery will happen quickly as soon as travel restrictions are lifted and cases start to drop. So far economic impact has not been that great. But if this thing stretches beyond May then it will bite. I have been tracking hotel prices in Singapore and Taiwan for my August visit and no decrease so far.

 

[banana boy]

This doesn't sound good as aerosol transmission would up the ante:-

新冠疫情：中国确认新冠病毒经空气通过气溶胶传染 - BBC News 中文

气溶胶传播，即飞沫混合在空气中形成气溶胶，吸入后导致感染，是直接传播、接触传播后确认的第三种病毒主要传播方式。

www.bbc.com

 

[Pushka]

I think recovery will happen quickly as soon as travel restrictions are lifted and cases start to drop. So far economic impact has not been that great. But if this thing stretches beyond May then it will bite. I have been tracking hotel prices in Singapore and Taiwan for my August visit and no decrease so far.

Maybe not for airlines but it has had an immediate impact on our business. The luck of timing. Had this occurred in mid February then we wouldn’t have been impacted at all.

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Speaking of spreading illness. The passengers onboard the stuck Princess Diamond ship were this morning throwing their food out to the seabirds on the coast near Yokohama. Brains have left the ship.

 

[I love to travel]

Interesting lets hope some clarity on cause of death emerges soon

Shock crew death on ‘virus ship’

A crew member has been found dead on the Royal Caribbean cruise line’s Anthem of the Seas after four passengers on the ship were tested for coronavirus, but proved to be negative.

www.news.com.au

 

[drron]

He had been dead for a few days and refigerated.The 4 Chinese nationals tested negative for corona virus.

 

[Pushka]

Interesting lets hope some clarity on cause of death emerges soon

Shock crew death on ‘virus ship’

A crew member has been found dead on the Royal Caribbean cruise line’s Anthem of the Seas after four passengers on the ship were tested for coronavirus, but proved to be negative.

www.news.com.au

There is at least a four person morgue on pretty much every ship.

 

[Cruiser Elite]

It would appear in general Chinese factories are not back to work tomorrow - factory must supply to local Govt all movements of employees for last 14 days - after analysis Govt will then decide which factories / which employees may start work again on which date

 

[get me outta here]

Does anyone know the date that the 14 days on CI finishes - have they been there a week yet? Also, the little girl there is negative for the virus.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Does anyone know the date that the 14 days on CI finishes - have they been there a week yet? Also, the little girl there is negative for the virus.

They got to CI late on Monday night, so if they are looking at 14 full days on CI then I guess they go home on the 18th. Good news about the little girl.

Singapore seems to have increasing infections now.

 

[drron]

Apparently a video of contacts of the virus being taken to a quarantine centre.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226044574532898816

 

[get me outta here]

@kpc, did you do a trip report for CI?

And the fine is $5000 for killing the Red or Robber crabs! Ps the latter are edible but at a huge cost

 

[amaroo]

Apparently a video of contacts of the virus being taken to a quarantine centre.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226044574532898816

The last place you would want to be...

 

[PineappleSkip]

ET reported here as bowing to the inevitable and reducing flights to/from China. Couldn’t find this story anywhere else, but checked a couple of flights ADD-PEK and ADD-CAN and they were indeed 787s.

cheers skip