Cruising choices with an active Pandemic

[Anna]

Here's an article about how many cruise ships are still at sea

Revealed: 6,000 passengers on cruise ships despite coronavirus crisis

Guardian analysis comes amid growing scrutiny of industry’s response to outbreak

www.theguardian.com

And here's one that says that Carnival was already in financial strife before covid19 (that explains all the awful onboard nickel and diming!)

Ruby Princess: battle begins to hold someone accountable for cruise ship coronavirus debacle

Conflicting accounts by federal and state authorities, and the company’s opaque corporate structure, stand in way of claims by passengers on the ship

www.theguardian.com

If Carnival goes down, how many cruise lines will be left? Is Celebrity part of Carnival?

 

[Pushka]

Here's an article about how many cruise ships are still at sea

Revealed: 6,000 passengers on cruise ships despite coronavirus crisis

Guardian analysis comes amid growing scrutiny of industry’s response to outbreak

www.theguardian.com

And here's one that says that Carnival was already in financial strife before covid19 (that explains all the awful onboard nickel and diming!)

Ruby Princess: battle begins to hold someone accountable for cruise ship coronavirus debacle

Conflicting accounts by federal and state authorities, and the company’s opaque corporate structure, stand in way of claims by passengers on the ship

www.theguardian.com

If Carnival goes down, how many cruise lines will be left? Is Celebrity part of Carnival?

The Saudis are buying hugely into Carnival right now. That's why it recovered its share price. A little.

 

[drron]

The Saudis are buying hugely into Carnival right now. That's why it recovered its share price. A little.

Some new mega yachts for some of the Saudi princes?

 

[Pushka]

Some new mega yachts for some of the Saudi princes?

I wonder if they are into Art Auctions? Instead of the latest print from [insert name of "about to be discovered" prestigious world famous artist] they'd likely be Renoir, Picasso and Rembrandt originals.

 

[SydneySwan]

Perhaps the Saudi - Carnival deal was Carnival swapping equity for some cash and future supplies of very cheap oil? I don't ever remember meeting anyone from Saudi Arabia on a cruise - the Saudi men wouldn't want the women getting a close up view of a completely non-Wahhabist world.

 

[Pushka]

Perhaps the Saudi - Carnival deal was Carnival swapping equity for some cash and future supplies of very cheap oil? I don't ever remember meeting anyone from Saudi Arabia on a cruise - the Saudi men wouldn't want the women getting a close up view of a completely non-Wahhabist world.

Like drron suggested - a private "yacht"? But your suggestion makes more sense

 

[Princess Fiona]

Pinched from Facebook

 

[drron]

No Cruise ships with passengers to operate in USA waters for the next 100 days-until August.

"Cruise ship operators are not allowed to disembark travelers (passengers or crew) at ports or stations, except as directed by the USCG, in consultation with HHS/CDC personnel, and as appropriate, as coordinated with federal, state, and local authorities.

• Cruise ship operators should not embark or re-embark any crew member, except as approved by the USCG, in consultation with HHS/CDC personnel, until further notice.
• While in port, cruise ship operators shall observe health precautions directed by HHS/CDC personnel.
• The cruise ship operator should comply with all HHS/CDC, USCG, and other federal agency instructions to follow CDC recommendations and guidance for any public health actions relating to passengers, crew, ship, or any article or thing onboard the ship, as needed, including by making ship’s manifests and logs available and collecting any specimens for COVID-19 testing."

That Escalated Quickly: No Cruises To Sail Within The Next 100 Days In U.S. Waters Per CDC Orders

Cruise lines banned from U.S. waters for 100 days.

loyaltylobby.com

 

[Pushka]

No Cruise ships with passengers to operate in USA waters for the next 100 days-until August.

"Cruise ship operators are not allowed to disembark travelers (passengers or crew) at ports or stations, except as directed by the USCG, in consultation with HHS/CDC personnel, and as appropriate, as coordinated with federal, state, and local authorities.

• Cruise ship operators should not embark or re-embark any crew member, except as approved by the USCG, in consultation with HHS/CDC personnel, until further notice.
• While in port, cruise ship operators shall observe health precautions directed by HHS/CDC personnel.
• The cruise ship operator should comply with all HHS/CDC, USCG, and other federal agency instructions to follow CDC recommendations and guidance for any public health actions relating to passengers, crew, ship, or any article or thing onboard the ship, as needed, including by making ship’s manifests and logs available and collecting any specimens for COVID-19 testing."

That Escalated Quickly: No Cruises To Sail Within The Next 100 Days In U.S. Waters Per CDC Orders

Cruise lines banned from U.S. waters for 100 days.

loyaltylobby.com

Is that until mid July? I think that's the same order that was being discussed on CC a couple of days ago. I'll find a good YouTube explaining it later but the 7 conditions are impossible. One of the last conditions requires full testing facilities for Covid onboard every ship, and if a positive is found, those people must be removed to a separate dedicated hospital ship fully equipped with ventilators, and an additional ship for isolation. Basically the ships must not berth at the mainland and expect to be able to access US hospitals for Covid patients. Additionally there must be the separation distance, all the time. Imagine embarkation, muster, restaurants, disembarking at ports and getting back onboard, and tendering and having to maintain social distance?

In effect it is CDC stopping cruises in the USA without saying the cruises are stopped while Covid is around.

Found it. I think Cruise Critic deleted the thread. The ships CDC requirements start just after half way through.

 

[pauly7]

They've become the image of a worldwide crisis — but cruise ships have been on the nose for years

It is no exaggeration to suggest this crisis could spell the end of the line for the cruise industry, already on the nose for its its social, health and and environmental problems, writes Freya Higgins-Desbiolles.

mobile.abc.net.au

Will be interesting to see what happens afterwards... a lot of light been shone on their dubious working conditions for staff, poor health and safety, environmental impact etc.

 

[oz_mark]

Should work out how much the cruising industry has cost us through all this, and ensure a health recovery levy is applied to the industry going forward.

I think a levy of 10,000% on top of cruise charges should cover it

 

[Pushka]

Should work out how much the cruising industry has cost us through all this, and ensure a health recovery levy is applied to the industry going forward.

I think a levy of 10,000% on top of cruise charges should cover it

How do you measure what must be now, over 20 deaths, just in Australia alone.

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They've become the image of a worldwide crisis — but cruise ships have been on the nose for years

It is no exaggeration to suggest this crisis could spell the end of the line for the cruise industry, already on the nose for its its social, health and and environmental problems, writes Freya Higgins-Desbiolles.

mobile.abc.net.au

Will be interesting to see what happens afterwards... a lot of light been shone on their dubious working conditions for staff, poor health and safety, environmental impact etc.

I'm going to post that on Cruise critic. You know what? Most American cruisers are completely obvious to any of this.

 

[tgh]

I'm going to post that on Cruise critic
bet it gets the chop… CC is complicit

 

[Pushka]

I'm going to post that on Cruise critic
bet it gets the chop… CC is complicit

Oh tell me about it. The YouTube I posted upthread has already gone pffft. And I posted once about people being in "a river on the Nile" that got the flick within the hour and I got a warning. My badge of honour. Only the mention of gun control gets such wrapt attention from the mods on that site.

 

[Anna]

A river on the Nile doesn't actually make sense? Maybe it's just me What did you say that got chopped?

 

[Pushka]

A river on the Nile doesn't actually make sense? Maybe it's just me What did you say that got chopped?

In De Nile. (In Denial)

 

[SydneySwan]

They've become the image of a worldwide crisis — but cruise ships have been on the nose for years

It is no exaggeration to suggest this crisis could spell the end of the line for the cruise industry, already on the nose for its its social, health and and environmental problems, writes Freya Higgins-Desbiolles.

mobile.abc.net.au

Will be interesting to see what happens afterwards... a lot of light been shone on their dubious working conditions for staff, poor health and safety, environmental impact etc.

Don't forget flags of convenience, tax avoidance, etc.

 

[Bundy Bear]

A few countries in the world rely on those tourists to support their economy, so cruising will be down but not out.
Cruise ships being flagged in one country but spending most of their cruising in one area might have to be changed, like a tax to look after the passengers who might come off that vessel.
With travel insurance I thought it was nearly impossible to get travel insurance for anyone over 80 so I am surprised the number of old people who cruise.
Also with any travel insurance it always seemed difficult to cancel a trip because of sickness, maybe something in the policy that will have to be amended.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Can anyone believe this is happening? Lots of crazy people out there. Wouldn’t have gotten us on one of those floating incubator things before. Now no chance at all.

Cruise ship bookings for 2021 are already on the rise despite multiple COVID-19 outbreaks

Cruise lines have taken a serious financial hit over the crisis, but the loyalty of their customer base is an encouraging sign for the industry.

www.businessinsider.com.au

 

[Pushka]

Can anyone believe this is happening? Lots of crazy people out there. Wouldn’t have gotten us on one of those floating incubator things before. Now no chance at all.

Cruise ship bookings for 2021 are already on the rise despite multiple COVID-19 outbreaks

Cruise lines have taken a serious financial hit over the crisis, but the loyalty of their customer base is an encouraging sign for the industry.

www.businessinsider.com.au

I think it's more a case of all the people whose cruise has or is about to be cancelled have taken a voucher instead of the cash refund and those vouchers need to be used up by end of 2021. On the other hand a look at cruise critic posters suggests that if it didn't happen in the US then it didn't happen at all.

I was posting to a comment there when an american was saying they hoped the Australian NZ cruise would proceed in September. I posted that it was possible that international travel for Australians was likely to be stopped until end of year according to yesterday's headlines, let alone letting non Aus citizens into the country and then to go on a cruise. They pretty much didn't believe me and needed me to send the links. I surmised that It also suggests that google doesn't work for people from the US.