Daylight Saving Discussion

[JohnK]

OMG, you'd have 8:30am as the earliest tee times in June ... no way!:shock:

Yes but you can also play golf later.

 

[serfty]

Yes but you can also play golf later.

You know the old saying, Want to finish by 12 - tee of at 8, finish by 3, tee off at 9 ...

 

[JohnK]

You know the old saying, Want to finish by 12 - tee of at 8, finish by 3, tee off at 9 ...

I used to be like that for a long time but going through a different phase of life. I don't like the early starts especially in winter. Prefer to tee-off ~9:00am and finish ~1:00pm-2:00pm.

 

[drron]

Despite all the critics I prefer no daylight saving in QLD.Always too hot in the afternoon with a high chance of a thunderstorm.early morning in summer is the perfect time for exercise.
The further north you go the less sense daylight savings makes.In the northern hemisphere it is the further south you go.

 

[DC3]

Despite all the critics I prefer no daylight saving in QLD.Always too hot in the afternoon with a high chance of a thunderstorm ...

Yes, many Queenslanders say that daylight saving makes the day too hot, fading blinds and that they don't need 25 hours in a day, etc. etc. .... "

 

[samh004]

Despite all the critics I prefer no daylight saving in QLD.Always too hot in the afternoon with a high chance of a thunderstorm.early morning in summer is the perfect time for exercise.
The further north you go the less sense daylight savings makes.In the northern hemisphere it is the further south you go.

Probably makes more sense for SEQ to have it and the rest of the state can fend for itself.

 

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[a330j]

Yes the 1992 referendum the proposal for daylight saving was defeated and no political party wants to revisit the issue. The south east corner the majority were in favour of DS (a parliamentary review in 1971 had similar findings).

According to Antony Green "In the 53 seats in the urban south east, the Yes vote won 60.6% to 39.4%, with the yes vote passing 70% in the southern Gold Coast. In the 36 seats covering the restof the state, the Yes vote was clobbered 22.9%to 77.1%No."

 

[drron]

Yes, many Queenslanders say that daylight saving makes the day too hot, fading blinds and that they don't need 25 hours in a day, etc. etc. .... "

Now,now.
Have a look at daylight hours in say January for Cairns,Brisbane,Sydney and Hobart.The further south you go the longer the hours of daylight hence the more benefit you get from daylight saving.The science on this one is proven.

 

[kevrosmith]

Queensland is a large state that covers a large distance from east to west, and from north to south. Brisbane is a long way east, and the sun rises much earlier in Summer in the South East compared to the rest of the state. E.g. the earliest it rises in Brisbane is ~4:45am (with first light 20 mins before that), compared to earliest rise of ~5:20am in Cairns... and that is in the highest point of Summer. So yes, it would make sense especially in the South East to move that hour of daylight to some useful period at the end of the day.

Cairns is almost as far west as Longreach, and inline with Melbourne, and then Mt Isa is almost in line with Adelaide.

My main issue with daylight saving for the rest of the state is the sunrise times as we get into the latter part of Summer... and I'm not talking March or April, I mean when it's still proper summer in the middle of February. To give you an idea: Sunrise in the middle of February:
Cairns ~6:10am
Weipa and Mt Isa ~6:30am
Brisbane ~5:30am
Sydney ~5:30am (therefore 6:30am with DST)
Melbourne ~5:49am (therefore 6:49am with DST)

So, add an hour to that and you can see in Cairns, Weipa and Mt Isa, in the middle of February, it will still be dark after 7am, even up to 7:30am... and that's equivalent to Melbourne's latest Winter sunrise time.

When we lived in North QLD during the trials in the '90s that we were heading off to music lessons and school, in the middle of summer, in the dark. Not necessarily pleasant. However, when I lived in Brisbane for uni, I could well understand the desire for DST in the South East as it's a bit abrupt to be woken by the sun blaring in before 5am!

The sun already rises late enough in Winter for us (later than Brisbane). For me personally, I'd rather have some part of the year when the sun is rising before 6am. (Remember, earliest rise in Cairns in high summer is 5:30am.)

These pics might give ppl an idea of the differing contrast of sunrise and sunset across our vast nation...

Summer Sunrise: 4:15am and 5:15am (AEST) (Can't remember what date I used to take these images, but think it's around the Solstice in late-December).


Summer Sunset: 7pm, 7:30pm and 8pm (AEST)


Sure, there's a genuine debate that can be had about Daylight Saving in QLD, but don't quote stupid comments about curtains and cows. You may show yourself to be more ignorant than the people you are supposedly mocking.

And comparisons to Europe and USA are not often helpful, seeing when you compare equivalent latitudes, most of continental USA would be south of Port Macquarie, and most of continental Europe is south of Tasmania!

 

[straitman]

Southern Qld could have daylight savings and North Queensland not and make the cutoff somewhere between Rockhampton and Mackay. This would have a lot less impact on the masses than the current situation along the Qld/NSW border.

Sure, there's a genuine debate that can be had about Daylight Saving in QLD, but don't make potentially stupid comments about curtains and cows. You may show yourself to be more ignorant than the people you are supposedly mocking.

You might be surprised how many actually believe this. (..and yes I have lived in Qld to hear the debate first hand)

 

[SeatBackForward]

I'd be happy for QLD to be in the same decade, let alone the same hour

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[Major]

Southern Qld could have daylight savings and North Queensland not and make the cutoff somewhere between Rockhampton and Mackay. This would have a lot less impact on the masses than the current situation along the Qld/NSW border.

You might be surprised how many actually believe this. (..and yes I have lived in Qld to hear the debate first hand)

Since living in SE Qld and coming from Sydney I have been a supporter of daylight saving for the SE. However after many business trips to North Qld it became obvious that it would not suit the Northern areas of the State.

I have always felt that daylight saving would work South of the Tropic of Capricorn but not to the North. If you accept that then the people of Bundaberg need to decide for themselves

 

[RooFlyer]

Nothing unique about a state being split wrt time zones. British Colombia, Ontario and Nunavut are all split. Mainly east-west extensional reasons, but Nunavut is a north/south issue.






I like the Nunavut analogy with Queensland.

 

[drron]

Except Nunavit definitely doesn't need daylight saving!

 

[RooFlyer]

Except Nunavit definitely doesn't need daylight saving!

Deleted my nonsense reply!

 

[JohnK]

I'd be happy for QLD to be in the same decade, let alone the same hour

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Why hide? Afraid some people are offended by the truth?

 

[dk4]

Nothing unique about a state being split wrt time zones. British Colombia, Ontario and Nunavut are all split...

You can actually use an Australian example for this too - WA & the little know Central Western Time Zone.

It is 45 minutes ahead of Western Standard, and 45 minutes behind Central Standard (except if WA goes onto daylight savings time, in which case so too does CWT. Which means it's always 45 minutes ahead of the time in Perth.). Not many people live in the zone, but if you ever drive across the Nullarbor :shock: you will encounter it!

Although, Broken Hill in NSW, is the more obvious candidate for an example. (As the area around that part of the state, is half an hour behind the time in Sydney.)

 

[drron]

Why hide? Afraid some people are offended by the truth?

I didn't take offence.
I actually like Tasmania because it is even further behind than QLD.But daylight saving is perfect there.

 

[Foreigner]

Not sure but I think daylight savings ends for Eastern states, other than Qld, Sunday morning, 06 April. If so, clocks move back one hour.