Delta Flight Crashes In Toronto: Plane Lands Upside Down, Wings Torn Away

[jb747]

Hat's off for the crew and passengers.

Why? What do you mean?

 

[DC3]

DL and snow is not a good combination.

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Seriously though, I’m glad I can joke about it and that the outcome wasn’t more tragic. I hope those injured pull through swiftly.

There’s another photo showing it upside down?

 

[DC3]

Hat's off for the crew and passengers.

Hat’s off?

 

[jb747]

I'm no expert, but it looks to have hit the runway rather hard and without flaring?

That seems to be the way that the pilot members of pprune are tending too. Very hard, with some bank, puts the load on to one oleo. If that failed, and broke the spar, then nothing would stop the other wing just rolling the aircraft over.

 

[Himeno]

There’s another photo showing it upside down

The image in the quoted post is of N909DL, an MD88 which veered off the runway at LGA while landing as DL1086 in March 2015.
The incident this morning was N932XJ, a CR9.

 

[DC3]

The image in the quoted post is of N909DL, an MD88 which veered off the runway at LGA while landing as DL1086 in March 2015.
The incident this morning was N932XJ, a CR9.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Denali]

There's footage of the landing in this article https://www.news.com.au/travel/trav...t/news-story/0f415aa1fbc2c9e18ebc33d37a92b0b3

I'm no expert, but it looks to have hit the runway rather hard and without flaring?

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[RooFlyer]

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That's a new one (also in the Oz on-line this morning) and is taken from the coughpit of another plane on the tarmac (circumstance unspecified). @jb747 , apart from the value of the film in the investigation, is there a circumstance where filming from the coughpit of a plane somewhere on the field would be allowed (or appropriate, if you like)? I wonder if the Delta had radioed some sort of problem on descent so the other crew picked up their phone?

 

[jb747]

That's a new one (also in the Oz on-line this morning) and is taken from the coughpit of another plane on the tarmac (circumstance unspecified). @jb747 , apart from the value of the film in the investigation, is there a circumstance where filming from the coughpit of a plane somewhere on the field would be allowed (or appropriate, if you like)?

Well, I used to run a camera reasonably regularly, though mine was more a case of setting it up, and then forgetting about it. I’m not convinced that adding to the list of what you aren’t allowed to do makes the operation any safer, though it does give management another chance to deflect blame.

I wonder if the Delta had radioed some sort of problem on descent so the other crew picked up their phone?

I doubt it. As best I can tell they simply got it wrong.

 

[DejaBrew]

That seems to be the way that the pilot members of pprune are tending too. Very hard, with some bank, puts the load on to one oleo. If that failed, and broke the spar, then nothing would stop the other wing just rolling the aircraft over.

Considering the most recent footage that's come to light along with your observation quoted above, is there any chance that instrumentation in the coughpit could have been providing erroneous data given the conditions? This may simply end up being an open and shut case of human error, but I'm curious as to what part the weather and snow/ice on the runway could have played in the incident?

 

[Denali]

What it looked like, trying to get out

5.1M views · 28K reactions | Passengers Rush to Escape Delta Crash Passenger Pete Koukov shared a video capturing the chaotic moments inside Delta Flight 4819 after it crash-landed... | By A Fly Guy's Cabin Crew Lounge | Facebook

Passengers Rush to Escape Delta Crash Passenger Pete Koukov shared a video capturing the chaotic moments inside Delta Flight 4819 after it crash-landed...

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[DejaBrew]

What it looked like, trying to get out

5.1M views · 28K reactions | Passengers Rush to Escape Delta Crash Passenger Pete Koukov shared a video capturing the chaotic moments inside Delta Flight 4819 after it crash-landed... | By A Fly Guy's Cabin Crew Lounge | Facebook

Passengers Rush to Escape Delta Crash Passenger Pete Koukov shared a video capturing the chaotic moments inside Delta Flight 4819 after it crash-landed...

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I appreciate that photos/footage from inside can be useful for investigations and/or training and learning, but it never ceases to amaze me how people think they have the time - let alone think that it's appropriate - to whip out a phone and snap a pic or shoot some video in the midst of an emergency evacuation scenario.

 

[moa999]

Good video that combines most of the recent footage

 

[SeatBackForward]

I remember thinking RIGHT before landing that we seemed to be getting tossed around by the wind a lot. We touched down, then seemed to go airborne again.

On Reddit, there's been a AMA (Ask Me Anything) from a passenger who was onboard the Delta Flight:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/1is5unz/i_was_on_the_flight_that_crashed_today_in_toronto

 

[JohnM]

Juan Browne on this:

 

[jb747]

Considering the most recent footage that's come to light along with your observation quoted above, is there any chance that instrumentation in the coughpit could have been providing erroneous data given the conditions?

None really. They would have been completely visual at that point, and the only thing they'd be looking at inside would be the ASI. Literally saying over and over...airspeed, line up, aim point, power.

This may simply end up being an open and shut case of human error, but I'm curious as to what part the weather and snow/ice on the runway could have played in the incident?

Depending on just what the vis was like (and it doesn't look bad), there can be a tendency to aim short when you can't see far enough down the runway.

 

[Justinf]

This is why I am absolutely certain that JAL516 'escaped' without any fatalities purely because it happened in Japan and not one person would have been selfish enough to grab their carry on.
Had it happened in the US, or here, it would have been different.
(I have no evidence for this POV, it's just the vibe)

 

[Himeno]

Video covering what's known so far

 

[TomVexille]

This is why I am absolutely certain that JAL516 'escaped' without any fatalities purely because it happened in Japan and not one person would have been selfish enough to grab their carry on.
Had it happened in the US, or here, it would have been different.
(I have no evidence for this POV, it's just the vibe)

The number of people in comment sections defending those taking carry on bags and saying they would do the same does my head in

 

[drron]

Well they are from Minnesota.

Was good watching the videos on our big screen. Just before touchdown the plane was lower on the right side. Immediately after touchdown the right wing hit the ground and was smashed along with a fuel tank and the right rear wheel. Caused the plane to flip.

Seems like that may have saved lives as the flames were extinguished. Though still dense black smoke. If they hadn’t flipped maybe the fire would have been worse and spread to the cabin particularly the rear.