Discussion on QF leaving OW

[JohnK]

I know the current changes look like QF is positioning itself to leave Oneworld but I don't think it will happen. Well not in the short term anyway.

But the fear is at the back of the mind at all times. I have more enough to lose.

 

[elbarto]

Oneworld adds value to the QFF and encourages loyalty. I think a lot of people overestimate what the big alliances means to the business when an airline goes and forges a separate alliance outside of oneworld, star or sky team. At the end of the day an airline is gong to work with whoever it thinks is best for its business. Especially if it can't achieve that within an existing alliance.

Remember QFF makes money for QF any reason for people to go elsewhere will impact that.

 

[footy99]

My general thought when QF announced the deal with EK was that they weren't far from removing themselves from OW. Especially considering the myriad of OW carriers operating on that route, significantly MH, QA, CX and BA. The current relationship with all of those carriers appears to be strained. It was also significant at the time that Emirates' stated goal was to link up with the US via Qantas; and that all of the current big 3 alliances were inevitably going to perish in the current environment.

After rifling through the latest changes ad nauseam, my hunch was that QF was preparing to leave OW sooner rather than later. The caveat is it needs a partnership with a US airline first - likely AA, which fits perfectly with the nature of the changes.

It's just a hunch based on a confluence of forces all acting in the same direction. But I think it will really take something to stop the train now.

 

[Isochronous]

Because it takes both parties to agree.

When QF joined forces with EK, you might remember that, in the original announcement, QF said its codeshares on BA to SIN and BKK would continue. BA then turned round and canned them.

Similarly, I believe QF tried for years to get additional codeshares on CX, but CX would have none of it. (BA has had the same problem).

During the JSA QF leased out the 2 spare LHR slots it had from ceasing BKK-LHR and HKG-LHR QF services to the BA codeshare. BA in a fit of pique terminated the QF codeshares on BA LHR-HKG, LHR-SIN, and LHR-BKK. QF hasn't been able to replace it since. They either need to mend fences and resume it, or at least give us some AY codeshares.

 

[bryanjones]

Lets not forget that a lot of the other OW partners frequent flyer schemes provide points in their schemes for flying OW flights. So qantas is benefiting from this wher people are booking qf flights instead of say virgin for instance.

whether this is 1% or 10% of flights i dont know.

This sums up my experience over the last couple of months as i have deliberately booked lan, ba and jal flights to credit to qff rather than say take a star alliance flight instead.

 

[markis10]

AA have a twitter comp going, they must be reading this thread going by the image:

 

[SeatBackForward]

AA have a twitter comp going, they must be reading this thread going by the image:

That's a double edged question...is it implying "why bother flying oneworld?" or "Why not fly oneworld over the others?"

 

[cmon0005]

If they were leaving why would they have just sent out a very glitzy email welcome to oneworld US airways and TAM. Also offering double points promotion (I suspect this is oneworld mandated though) but qf have it under member specials as well as thumbnail pictures, so seems they are fully supportive of OW.

 

[zainman]

AA have a twitter comp going, they must be reading this thread going by the image:

I think they are asking QF the question "why still in one world?"

If they were leaving why would they have just sent out a very glitzy email welcome to oneworld US airways and TAM. Also offering double points promotion (I suspect this is oneworld mandated though) but qf have it under member specials as well as thumbnail pictures, so seems they are fully supportive of OW.

They did that for MH, QR et al. Nothing special or going out of the way for OW.

 

[serfty]

I believe Qantas have no intention of leaving *O, but do intend to discourage passengers, especially "Sophisticated Frequent Flyers" from flying *O and crediting to QFF- that costs QFF $$$.

The USA is a case in point - and for a specific [and possibly extreme] example, the [-]120 SC earned for ORD/MIA in first class on AA will drop to 40 come July[/-] 90 SC's that a Chicago/New York segment currently earns will drop to 40.

 

[cmon0005]

They did that for MH, QR et al. Nothing special or going out of the way for OW.

Yeah but they could have just made it a non descript footnote in an email newsletter and made it hard to find on the website etc. However they didn't, infact they made a whole email with nice graphics etc. So you think they would do all that to something they didn't like or want their customers to use /be aware of?

For example us airways/TAM have got more advertising in the past few days from QF than MASA's ever did since taking them offline.

 

[zainman]

Yeah but they could have just made it a non descript footnote in an email newsletter and made it hard to find on the website etc. However they didn't, infact they made a whole email with nice graphics etc. So you think they would do all that to something they didn't like or want their customers to use /be aware of?

For example us airways/TAM have got more advertising in the past few days from QF than MASA's ever did since taking them offline.

I haven't looked at the earn rates for US airways (I am assuming they are good as they are a part of AA now, and QF get along with AA). I can't remember if they sent out an email just for the bonus points when QR joined but it was definitely in one of the other newsletters. It all depends on who they get along with. (obviously not MH and QR).

Anyway, newsletters and/or emails aside, the change to SC earning on OW is the reason I think they really are positioning themselves to exit. They can be like Alaskan maybe and have partnerships with all sorts of different carriers that suit them more than OW. EK, AA, China eastern, southern, vietnam airlines, bangkok airways, fiji etc etc. That could work...

 

[drron]

My general thought when QF announced the deal with EK was that they weren't far from removing themselves from OW. Especially considering the myriad of OW carriers operating on that route, significantly MH, QA, CX and BA. The current relationship with all of those carriers appears to be strained. It was also significant at the time that Emirates' stated goal was to link up with the US via Qantas; and that all of the current big 3 alliances were inevitably going to perish in the current environment.

After rifling through the latest changes ad nauseam, my hunch was that QF was preparing to leave OW sooner rather than later. The caveat is it needs a partnership with a US airline first - likely AA, which fits perfectly with the nature of the changes.

It's just a hunch based on a confluence of forces all acting in the same direction. But I think it will really take something to stop the train now.

They already have a joint business agreement with AA signed off in 2011-
US govt greenlights Qantas & American Airlines joint venture - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller

And if you are into conspiracy theories AA has similar agreements with JAL,BA,IB and AY-
Finnair

 

[Himeno]

The USA is a case in point - and for a specific [and possibly extreme] example, the 120 SC earned for ORD/MIA in first class on AA will drop to 40 come July.

40? My reading of the table was closer to 80.

 

[moa999]

Any intra-USA flight of <750m gets special treatment. The rest are ok

 

[JohnK]

The USA is a case in point - and for a specific [and possibly extreme] example, the 120 SC earned for ORD/MIA in first class on AA will drop to 40 come July.

Are you sure? If it was earning 120SCs in First then it is > 1200 miles. Under the new system 40SCs in First is for <750 miles.

 

[Isochronous]

If they were leaving why would they have just sent out a very glitzy email welcome to oneworld US airways and TAM. Also offering double points promotion (I suspect this is oneworld mandated though) but qf have it under member specials as well as thumbnail pictures, so seems they are fully supportive of OW.

They announced a QF F and J lounge refurb for SIN in conjunction with BA before dissolving the JSA and BA then wanting its own lounge!

 

[cmon0005]

They announced a QF F and J lounge refurb for SIN in conjunction with BA before dissolving the JSA and BA then wanting its own lounge!

That is likely not OW related, and just a BA dummyspit!

 

[RickyT84]

Anyway, newsletters and/or emails aside, the change to SC earning on OW is the reason I think they really are positioning themselves to exit. They can be like Alaskan maybe and have partnerships with all sorts of different carriers that suit them more than OW. EK, AA, China eastern, southern, vietnam airlines, bangkok airways, fiji etc etc. That could work...

I don't think that's necessary the case. Some other OW partners such as CX and AA offers much less Club Points or EQMs (for status calculation purposes) for flights on other OW partners so QF is not too different in this respect.

 

[serfty]

40? My reading of the table was closer to 80.

Any intra-USA flight of <750m gets special treatment. The rest are ok

Are you sure? If it was earning 120SCs in First then it is > 1200 miles. Under the new system 40SCs in First is for <750 miles.

I was indeed incorrect - the example was too extreme I guess.

OK, ORD/NYC currently earns 90 SC's - that will drop to 40.