Disgusting treatment of facilities by J PAX in Melbourne

[AndyGoodyear]

So what? If they are clean and well behaved, what is the issue?

If there is a dress code then it should be upheld - either that or get rid of the dress code?

 

[mannej]

If there is a dress code then it should be upheld - either that or get rid of the dress code?

The dress code is at the discretion of the manager.

Provided the person is clean and wearing clean clothes, I am much more worried about their behaviour.

 

[RWJ777]

If there is a dress code then it should be upheld - either that or get rid of the dress code?

I agree, some people look like they should be out in the garden. Lounges are an area by special admission and I think that smart casual is appropriate. It's just good manners.

 

[mannej]

I agree, some people look like they should be out in the garden. Lounges are an area by special admission and I think that smart casual is appropriate. It's just good manners.

If they look like they should be in the garden, I would imagine that they are not the cleanest.

If they are clean, and well behaved, what is the issue?

The same goes for Hi-Viz gear.

 

[RWJ777]

Because it's not a public area. It's a closed area with rules of admission to ensure appropriate standards. In my opinion being clean is insufficient, people in a closed area should be tidy. It's simple respect. I acknowledge this is a little old fashioned but I think manners doesn't need much effort and is a good basis for everyone to enjoy a common space.

 

[mannej]

Because it's not a public area. It's a closed area with rules of admission to ensure appropriate standards. In my opinion being clean is insufficient, people in a closed area should be tidy. It's simple respect. I acknowledge this is a little old fashioned but I think manners doesn't need much effort and is a good basis for everyone to enjoy a common space.

What is your opinion regarding hi-viz?

People can be tidy without being smart casual...

 

[Deleted member]

That boardies and thongs are not "Smart Casual."

I didn't say boardies. I said singlet.
There were shorts in the QP. They were ok. ( it's hot in NQ, although the lounge is air conditioned)
My point was ( and still is) I "THOUGHT" there was a dress standard.


It is I, Leclerc !

 

[AndyGoodyear]

What is your opinion regarding hi-viz?

People can be tidy without being smart casual...

They wouldn't let people into a nightclub that has a dress code wearing just anything. That's why there is a dress code. I'm not for or against the dress code but if there is one, then it should be upheld. Otherwise what is the point in having it?

 

[amaroo]

It's an airline lounge - not a fashion parade.

After many weeks, probably months spent in lounges over the years.....I don't give a rats how people look - It's how they behave that counts!

 

[AndyGoodyear]

It's an airline lounge - not a fashion parade.

After many weeks, probably months spent in lounges over the years.....I don't give a rats how people look - It's how they behave that counts!

I feel like I am kind of stating the obvious - but again, there is a dress code. If it didn't matter what people wore, there wouldn't be one. I couldn't give a rats either, but there is.... well you know what I mean

 

[amaroo]

I feel like I am kind of stating the obvious - but again, there is a dress code. If it didn't matter what people wore, there wouldn't be one. I couldn't give a rats either, but there is.... well you know what I mean

In regards to the obvious, I would say that anyone that is already in the lounge - has passed any & all dress code regulations!

 

[mannej]

It's an airline lounge - not a fashion parade.

After many weeks, probably months spent in lounges over the years.....I don't give a rats how people look - It's how they behave that counts!

Amen to that.

I think a few views regarding dress are a tad superficial. Behaviour is much more important to me.

 

[RWJ777]

They wouldn't let people into a nightclub that has a dress code wearing just anything. That's why there is a dress code. I'm not for or against the dress code but if there is one, then it should be upheld. Otherwise what is the point in having it?

Couldn't agree more. If people want to dress like they're at the beach or on a worksite, then that's fine but no need to be in the lounge. There are rules, well considered and reasoned, and they ought to be enforced.

 

[ashleyn]

So what? If they are clean and well behaved, what is the issue?

The issue mannej is there are rules, ie.

1.2 Each Member of the Qantas Club is responsible for complying with, and ensuring that their lounge guests comply with, these Terms and Conditions and the Club Rules.
10.7 Smart, casual dress standards apply at all times. Individual lounge managers will have discretion to administer these standards as they reasonably deem appropriate in the circumstances

 

[Deleted member]

First World Problem!

Fair point

So what other (QF lounge) rules and regulations do you think should be ignored?




It is I, Leclerc !

 

[Ansett]

Well all that can be said is that this is a fair indication of todays society in so much as everything is disposable and everyone is their to look after ME. How sad is it that people no longer care enough to show manners and respect for others and their environs.

And yes whilst is is not the end of the world it is moving closer to the end of the world of manners and respect as we know it.

My partner and I have been discusted by the mess and waste left by members in the lounge on a number of occasions and sadly have to say that it was evenly spread between bogans and suits.

 

[mannej]

The issue mannej is there are rules, ie.

1.2 Each Member of the Qantas Club is responsible for complying with, and ensuring that their lounge guests comply with, these Terms and Conditions and the Club Rules.
10.7 Smart, casual dress standards apply at all times. Individual lounge managers will have discretion to administer these standards as they reasonably deem appropriate in the circumstances

My point bolded.

If the Terms and Conditions are the only thing you can reference as to why you find it an issue, I find that very superficial.

You have not fully answered my question. If they are neat and cleanly dressed (hi-viz etc), and are behaved well, clearly what is the issue.
I would have thought behaviour causes more issues in a lounge compared to someone who is neat and cleanly dressed (doesn't have to be smart, casual) but is behaved.

While you have the T&C's up, I would argue that the comma between Smart, Casual would indicate that the code is not smart and casual, but could be smart or casual.

A minor point I know.

 

[mannej]

Well all that can be said is that this is a fair indication of todays society in so much as everything is disposable and everyone is their to look after ME. How sad is it that people no longer care enough to show manners and respect for others and their environs.

And yes whilst is is not the end of the world it is moving closer to the end of the world of manners and respect as we know it.

My partner and I have been discusted by the mess and waste left by members in the lounge on a number of occasions and sadly have to say that it was evenly spread between bogans and suits.

Are you sure, apparently it is only bogans who can leave mess at a lounge

 

[AndyGoodyear]

Not that I am trying to argue - but again, it's similar with nightclubs with a dress code. You wouldn't turn up to a nightclub wearing shorts, thongs or workwear because you know there is a dress code. It's pretty obvious that Qantas put the dress code there for a reason, so I also think you shouldn't turn up (knowing there is a dress code) in high vis, shorts, thongs etc.

I wonder how the 'but I am clean and well behaved' would work in the nightclub setting.

However, I will say that if the rule is outdated get rid of it - but while it stands, uphold it.

 

[RWJ777]

My point bolded.

If the Terms and Conditions are the only thing you can reference as to why you find it an issue, I find that very superficial.

You have not fully answered my question. If they are neat and cleanly dressed (hi-viz etc), and are behaved well, clearly what is the issue.
I would have thought behaviour causes more issues in a lounge compared to someone who is neat and cleanly dressed (doesn't have to be smart, casual) but is behaved.

While you have the T&C's up, I would argue that the comma between Smart, Casual would indicate that the code is not smart and casual, but could be smart or casual.

A minor point I know.

Hi viz is neither smart nor casual! It's work site wear.

To your minor point, I don't think that's right. Its quite clear from the condition that the two requirements, of 'smart', 'casual', are intended to be inclusive, that is both. It's a clear principle of statutory interpretation that inclusive conjunction is intended if words conjoin to describe a requirement. But, as you righty say, a minor - and esoteric point.

Relying on the terms and conditions is not superficial, it's evidence to substantiate the views put by some here, some of whom have paid a lot of money for lounge rights, that when they go into a lounge they rather expect the standard of dress and appearance to be a bit higher than the general airport.