Double SCs on eligible Domestic Flights and Double Qantas Points with Qantas Cash

[Chief Wiggum]

Is anyone having DSC's for JASA or YASA's crediting ?

I had both my cash-fare DSC and JASA DSC credited yesterday on 10th Jan for six sectors travelled 22/28/31/DEC and 4/JAN

(and obviously the regular SC were credited within 12-24 hours of each sector being flown)

 

[timmitch]

Got all mine for status run on the 3th and 4th of Jan but my return Mel-bris on the 6th and 7th Dec didn't. Phone call on Monday and of course those 2 flight will tip me over to WP

 

[OzEire]

RedRoo must find this thread rather entertaining, us all salivating over the precious SC which suddenly appear in accounts overnight like Santa's presents on Christmas morning.

I'd like to imagine the non AFF member who saw the DSC promo back in early Dec and clicked on it, but promptly forgot about points and SCs, certainly didn't book extra travel in the promo period and hasn't even heard of a JASA, only to be pleasantly surprised by the little extra in their account over the last few days...[ps. me before AFF]

Wonder if QF will rate the promo as a success? Did the empty seats fill or have they just created a larger pool of QFFs with lounge access who will eat and drink into the bottom line and pi$$ off the genuinely frequent flyers already grumbling about overcrowded lounges and the new tier holders selecting row 4 seats at T-80, and who may see this as devaluing their elite status?

 

[ketsuzei]

have they just created a larger pool of QFFs with lounge access who will eat and drink into the bottom line and pi$$ off the genuinely frequent flyers already grumbling about overcrowded lounges and the new tier holders selecting row 4 seats at T-80, and who may see this as devaluing their elite status?

If they fly frequently enough to pi$$ off the genuinely frequent flyers, then they are themselves genuinely frequent flyers.

 

[BD1959]

I'd like to imagine the non AFF member who saw the DSC promo back in early Dec and clicked on it, but promptly forgot about points and SCs, certainly didn't book extra travel in the promo period and hasn't even heard of a JASA, only to be pleasantly surprised by the little extra in their account over the last few days...[ps. me before AFF]

Wonder if QF will rate the promo as a success? Did the empty seats fill or have they just created a larger pool of QFFs with lounge access who will eat and drink into the bottom line and pi$$ off the genuinely frequent flyers already grumbling about overcrowded lounges and the new tier holders selecting row 4 seats at T-80, and who may see this as devaluing their elite status?

I very much doubt a non-FF is going to get tipped from NB to WP on the back of this promotion. Sure, there may well be the odd SG who now qualifies for "Emerald City", PB and the J lounge, however QF's continual erosion of the J Food (and the tipping of the CLs into the MEL J Lounge) have a far more noticeable effect on me than the odd additional WP.

As to whether this actually encourages adding travel and bookings during a quiet period...Well not from this little black duck!!

Regards,

BD

 

[Ansett]

Booked JASA with my points for Mrs Ansett MEL-SYD-ASP return and it was stuffed up as CSR put in wrong return date despite advising a number of times of the corect date then to find that it was booked wrong and discover that it could not be changed to the dates wanted.

It meant she had to stay a night in Alice.

Now she has taken the first two legs and low and behold the flights have posted with in an hour of each Leg, WOW fantastic, congrats I hear you all say. All be it some with a jealous overtone . But alas the joke is on us as they have posted as Classic Awards Grrrrrrrrr.

Spoke to Plat line and they are having same issue with a number of these JASA's and rest assured they will post corectly soon !!!!!

I was also surprised at the feedback provided that there has been a 16% increase in the use of points of late, the rational according to management is how good value the QFF programme is and how much peple love to fly QF! The CSR was quite proud of this and then I said or could it be that the wiser QFF members are burning points before the collapse of QF especially given AJ's constant ramblings as to how bad QF is doing. Frequent flyers still remember Ansett.

The CSR was quite shocked at this and then replied "do you know what I think you are right!

Ït was also interesting to hear that they have been recieving a rather LARGE number of complaints about the drop in QF offering of late and a considerable number of High Tier QFF members are now booking alternative airlines.

 

[Kieran2274]

RedRoo must find this thread rather entertaining, us all salivating over the precious SC which suddenly appear in accounts overnight like Santa's presents on Christmas morning.

I'd like to imagine the non AFF member who saw the DSC promo back in early Dec and clicked on it, but promptly forgot about points and SCs, certainly didn't book extra travel in the promo period and hasn't even heard of a JASA, only to be pleasantly surprised by the little extra in their account over the last few days...[ps. me before AFF]

Wonder if QF will rate the promo as a success? Did the empty seats fill or have they just created a larger pool of QFFs with lounge access who will eat and drink into the bottom line and pi$$ off the genuinely frequent flyers already grumbling about overcrowded lounges and the new tier holders selecting row 4 seats at T-80, and who may see this as devaluing their elite status?

As I understand it, this Xmas pressie from Qantas to everyone (who registered) is all about adding cash flow to the Qantas coffers, during a time where some increased funds might come in handy (the downgrading of Qantas' credit rating has got them keen to cover any contingencies that might arise as a result - they are just covering bases). As has been mentioned, a bulk DSC offer isn't new, and I think Qantas have been smart to target it only to domestic flights (where the profit margin is better). You have to do a bucketload of domestic flights to really burn SCs (I.e. Nil to WP or even P1). Most people really couldn't be that bothered - to score that hard, preferring overseas flights over domestic flights. People might do 2-4 4 sector domestic runs over two months, but I doubt anyone would be willing to do that weekly (or bi-weekly).

I think the real meat is in people who otherwise might have been on the edge of a tier upgrade, have pulled off a one-tier improvement (barring P1) - one tier bump is tolerable to Qantas I imagine. A massive increase in P1 numbers less so (hence the structure of the DSC offer).

But thank you Red Roo for my prompt DSCs - I'll get to enjoy the SYD FLounge a littler earlier than planned (even though it cost me $60 to change my connecting flight back to an early morning one in order to truly enjoy a SYD FLounge stop - it's been a couple of years, but I'm back baby lol).

 

[Chief Wiggum]

I'd like to imagine the non AFF member who saw the DSC promo back in early Dec and clicked on it, but promptly forgot about points and SCs, certainly didn't book extra travel in the promo period and hasn't even heard of a JASA, only to be pleasantly surprised by the little extra in their account over the last few days...[ps. me before AFF]

And me also... but if you think about it.. and certainly the case for me before I became AFF'd... the folk who know and care about Points and Status.. for whom it's almost a hobby or sport... will have registered with keen interest, calculated, schemed, planned and booked a large number of flights. Some for cash and some as xASA's.

Then there are those who are simply oblivious to all that stuff... it's simply not on their radar. they read the email, didn't understand it really, and ignored it largely. I think here of myself before AFF and of the people in my office at work. Most of whom fly both internationally and domestically 2-3 times a year for various things. I guarantee they do what I always used to do... they purchase the lowest cost fare at the time of travel on whatever airline has the dates, times and prices that meets their needs. They will even book outbound and return sectors on different airlines. the concept of FF points and Status mean "nothing" to the hoi polloi. At least not in preference to the best ad-hoc deal they can find.

These are people who are perpetually Bronze level, because that's the small'ish amount of travel they do. For them the best-up-front-deal probably suits their needs. I've tried to explain to some people in my office (semi regular travellers) about the things I've learnt at AFF and why I'm flitting about the continent for "strange" weekend trips etc... and they glaze over and nod politely. I was once like them.

And if we think about the reasons we ALL ended up here at AFF... it was because we started flying more often than the average Joe Public and were seeking ways to get a little more for our time, money and effort, and ways to ease-the-pain.

So i guess my point is that the Qantas DSC Promo probably had little to no effect on the large "unwashed masses" of NB QFF casual travellers... for them they did what they were going to do anyway over the Xmas break in terms of travel... and they got a nice little 20 or 30 SC bonus in their QFF accounts that most will never notice or understand.

Then scroll down to the other end of the spreadsheet where the small number of crazies like us are involved. Did we spend more money and time with Qantas because of the DSC Promo.... yet BET your sweet behind we did !!! I know personally QF have over $2k of my money that I wouldn't have otherwise spent without the Dec/Jan DSC. In return the value I receive from QF was going to some cool places around Australia, and doing it in J class, and getting my Status bumped from SG to WP.

Personally I feel that I have gotten the better end of the deal. I'm happy with the value received for my dollars spent. QF should be happy also because they have more or less "locked me in" with them for next 17 months as long as I have WP status until June 2015. And all else being equal... they also know that I'll be channeling my travel via QF to help retain that status level beyond my 2015 review date. So they win again.

And knowing that I would be "committing" to QF for a period, I also spent $2K on the vouchers to get the 10x QFF points. So Qantas scores another win. But I also got "value" in return. I was going to spend that money anyway on QF between now and end of 2014, so why not get 20,000 points and save some CC fee's in the process.

Did we AFF crazies fill most of the J seats over the Xmas / New Year break on JASA fares... fare chance. Did that "cost" Qantas any money... probably not... they likely covered costs and made a small profit on what otherwise would have been non-revenue empty J seats over that period from 20th Dec to 6th Jan.

If I had to put $50 on it now... I'd bet that QF does the same thing in the next Dec/Jan period. A freely available come-one-come-all DSC promo to fill the seats and lounges over the business holiday period.

Of course the Conspiracy Theory part of me can't help thinking that Qantas' most valuable cash-realisable "asset" on the books is its QFF Program. What better way to fatten it up for a potential sale than to increase the number of high-status members who will by definition remain loyal to QF and the QFF program. Hence the recent DSC promo right on the heels of the Nov 1.5x SC promo. :?:

 

[Ansett]

And me also... but if you think about it.. and certainly the case for me before I became AFF'd... the folk who know and care about Points and Status.. for whom it's almost a hobby or sport... will have registered with keen interest, calculated, schemed, planned and booked a large number of flights. Some for cash and some as xASA's.

Then there are those who are simply oblivious to all that stuff... it's simply not on their radar. they read the email, didn't understand it really, and ignored it largely. I think here of myself before AFF and of the people in my office at work. Most of whom fly both internationally and domestically 2-3 times a year for various things. I guarantee they do what I always used to do... they purchase the lowest cost fare at the time of travel on whatever airline has the dates, times and prices that meets their needs. They will even book outbound and return sectors on different airlines. the concept of FF points and Status mean "nothing" to the hoi polloi. At least not in preference to the best ad-hoc deal they can find.

These are people who are perpetually Bronze level, because that's the small'ish amount of travel they do. For them the best-up-front-deal probably suits their needs. I've tried to explain to some people in my office (semi regular travellers) about the things I've learnt at AFF and why I'm flitting about the continent for "strange" weekend trips etc... and they glaze over and nod politely. I was once like them.

And if we think about the reasons we ALL ended up here at AFF... it was because we started flying more often than the average Joe Public and were seeking ways to get a little more for our time, money and effort, and ways to ease-the-pain.

So i guess my point is that the Qantas DSC Promo probably had little to no effect on the large "unwashed masses" of NB QFF casual travellers... for them they did what they were going to do anyway over the Xmas break in terms of travel... and they got a nice little 20 or 30 SC bonus in their QFF accounts that most will never notice or understand.

Then scroll down to the other end of the spreadsheet where the small number of crazies like us are involved. Did we spend more money and time with Qantas because of the DSC Promo.... yet BET your sweet behind we did !!! I know personally QF have over $2k of my money that I wouldn't have otherwise spent without the Dec/Jan DSC. In return the value I receive from QF was going to some cool places around Australia, and doing it in J class, and getting my Status bumped from SG to WP.

Personally I feel that I have gotten the better end of the deal. I'm happy with the value received for my dollars spent. QF should be happy also because they have more or less "locked me in" with them for next 17 months as long as I have WP status until June 2015. And all else being equal... they also know that I'll be channeling my travel via QF to help retain that status level beyond my 2015 review date. So they win again.

And knowing that I would be "committing" to QF for a period, I also spent $2K on the vouchers to get the 10x QFF points. So Qantas scores another win. But I also got "value" in return. I was going to spend that money anyway on QF between now and end of 2014, so why not get 20,000 points and save some CC fee's in the process.

Did we AFF crazies fill most of the J seats over the Xmas / New Year break on JASA fares... fare chance. Did that "cost" Qantas any money... probably not... they likely covered costs and made a small profit on what otherwise would have been non-revenue empty J seats over that period from 20th Dec to 6th Jan.

If I had to put $50 on it now... I'd bet that QF does the same thing in the next Dec/Jan period. A freely available come-one-come-all DSC promo to fill the seats and lounges over the business holiday period.

Of course the Conspiracy Theory part of me can't help thinking that Qantas' most valuable cash-realisable "asset" on the books is its QFF Program. What better way to fatten it up for a potential sale than to increase the number of high-status members who will by definition remain loyal to QF and the QFF program. Hence the recent DSC promo right on the heels of the Nov 1.5x SC promo. :?:

I myself went from WP to WP1 as a direct result of the DSC promo.

 

[Kieran2274]

I myself went from WP to WP1 as a direct result of the DSC promo.

Congrats Ansett, although I guess that you were pretty close anyway given 2,200 SC gap between WP and P1 (or did you just do MEL-SYD-OOL-SYD-MEL seven times lol).

 

[Ansett]

Congrats Ansett, although I guess that you were pretty close anyway given 2,200 SC gap between WP and P1.

Why thank you I was a mere 1000 SC away but thought why the hell not for a cost of around $1000 and a few points it gaurantees me atleast WP till 2016 which to me is good value

 

[Kieran2274]

Why thank you I was a mere 1000 SC away but thought why the hell not for a cost of around $1000 and a few points it gaurantees me atleast WP till 2016 which to me is good value

Yes, for a K I'd bite too if I was in the same range (at around a $1 a status credit, good deal!)

 

[danny09]

Yes, for a K I'd bite to if I was in the same range (at around a $1 a status credit, good deal!)

Yeah but how many ff points per $1? I guess burning them atm isnt that bad of an idea.

 

[Ansett]

Yeah but how many ff points per $1? I guess burning them atm isnt that bad of an idea.

48000 points and a co pay of around $385.00 returned 480 S/C so` 144000 points $1155.00 dollars and 1440 status credis so less than $1 per status credit which I am more than happy with and 100 points per status credit so again to me good value. Normal cost in J return is $3074.00 so 48,000 points were valued at $3074 - $385 -=$2689 / 48000 points equates to around 5.5cents per point. I would suggest that this is a beter return than doing an ASA MEL-LHR return or buying a toaster on line LOL

 

[danny09]

48000 points and a co pay of around $385.00 returned 480 S/C so` 144000 points $1155.00 dollars and 1440 status credis so less than $1 per status credit which I am more than happy with and 100 points per status credit so again to me good value. Normal cost in J return is $3074.00 so 48,000 points were valued at $3074 - $385 -=$2689 / 48000 points equates to around 5.5cents per point. I would suggest that this is a beter return than doing an ASA MEL-LHR return or buying a toaster on line LOL

Dam thats alot of points to get P1. Awesome cash value tho. Thats good hey. Im all for people getting WP1 if they know how to use the system by DSC promotion.Well done and hope you enjoy the benefits, well the lack off but none the less. A new white card and front row of whY is probably the best benefits, lol

 

[Ansett]

Dam thats alot of points to get P1. Awesome cash value tho. Thats good hey. Im all for people getting WP1 if they know how to use the system by DSC promotion.Well done and hope you enjoy the benefits, well the lack off but none the less. A new white card and front row of whY is probably the best benefits, lol

Happy to report that whilst first row of Y is nice at times I have been impressed by the P1 Team had an issue with an upcoming Trip to LHR and was contacted by the P1 team and well WOW those folks did an absolutely sensational job in overcoming the issue and if this the level of service and effort and outcome to issues by the P1 team then P1 is already worth it

 

[Robbi]

Wow!

Landed 30 mins ago in BNE on first leg of my JASA ADL-TSV and my points and base SC are already in my account!

 

[Kieran2274]

Happy to report that whilst first row of Y is nice at times I have been impressed by the P1 Team had an issue with an upcoming Trip to LHR and was contacted by the P1 team and well WOW those folks did an absolutely sensational job in overcoming the issue and if this the level of service and effort and outcome to issues by the P1 team then P1 is already worth it

Yes - P1 may not be 3x as much benefit as WP, but it seems to me that the P1 SST (for when the s**t hits the preverbal) and the 7-day prior upgrade benefit are the substantial benefits of P1 (yes, special event invites, op-upgrades, extra award seats, etc can be very beneficial but they are not always there/forecast-able benefits like P1 SST/Upgrade benefit).

Having been on a few last minute cancelled/diverted/grounded services, and the chaos that ensues, something like P1 SST can make the difference between a bad night, and a nightmare!

 

[OzEire]

Ok, so 6 weeks later and about 40% of the DSCs since the promo started have posted (all of them on 10 Jan, like many others here). I'm not too concerned, I'm sure the flight from 1 Dec is probably recorded as being booked on 30 Nov due to the time zone of the QF booking system, a quick call to QFF will sort that out.

However, I just can't understand why they would process some of the flights this week and not others ? Best guess is that the automatic process runs on a Friday for all of the flights five weeks earlier, which should ensure that the 6 week point is never reached (apart from a few SNAFU exceptions). As others have stated here on this thread, why would QF want to make customers wait ? Why create a process which causes problems such as tiers missed due to anniversary dates passing in the mean time and then need to spend time manually back-processing these.

All rhetorical questions, its QF's program so I guess its up to them.

Oh, and thanks to the DSC promo, once all of my DSCs post I will lock in at least WP requal which means WP until the end of 2015 - requals normall takes me about 5 months but it just happened that I had lots of travel in the promo period, thanks QF !

 

[opusman]

So i guess my point is that the Qantas DSC Promo probably had little to no effect on the large "unwashed masses" of NB QFF casual travellers... for them they did what they were going to do anyway over the Xmas break in terms of travel... and they got a nice little 20 or 30 SC bonus in their QFF accounts that most will never notice or understand.

My guess is the large unwashed masses have no idea what SCs are or what they mean anyway.