Dress Standards and Should P1 get CL access?

[The Rok]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

I agree with you on those "standards" but torn, raggedy clothes are just wrong. Even the less fortunate try and dress better. And thongs (or most open type of footwear) well that is just not an appropriate form of footwear for the majority of places.

The worst part about these inadequate "standards" creeping into society is that an employer cannot judge someone based on what they wear or how they look even if these people were going to be the image of the company. Like hell I would want to hire someone with safety pins, piercings and torn, raggedy clothing regardless of how good they think they are.

With all due respect JohnK this post shows a very narrow minded and blinkered view of the world. Your idea of socially acceptable conformity is exactly that, your view.

As someone who has hired and fired dozens or more over the years I have learned to look beyond the exterior and see what's inside. Ignoring the thongs issue for a moment, if you would not hire the best candidate for a job because you didn't like their jeans then I dare say any business you decide to run is destined to fail.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

I find a lot of the clothes (or lack of) people wear these days an insult to intelligence and really do not understand why the need to rebel so much. I will never accept lack of dress standards and I will judge the people who participate.

Judging people by their clothes & relating it to their intelligence - is quite silly IMHO.

Feel free to wrap yourself in as much cloth as you can.....others can do the opposite & look pretty darn hot & intelligent!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

Judging people by their clothes & relating it to their intelligence - is quite silly IMHO.

Indeed. But the way someone dresses might lead you to make a note about their maturity.

If someone turns up to an event (whatever that is - job interview, dinner at a restaurant, boarding an airplane) clearly dressed in a way which would be considered inappropriate by the majority of others in relation to that event, then you might question why the person feels the need to make such a statement through the way they dress.

 

[Conrad_S]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

That's one of the ways that celebrities (both famous and not so famous) get publicity.

 

[Skyring]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

Indeed. But the way someone dresses might lead you to make a note about their maturity.

If someone turns up to an event (whatever that is - job interview, dinner at a restaurant, boarding an airplane) clearly dressed in a way which would be considered inappropriate by the majority of others in relation to that event, then you might question why the person feels the need to make such a statement through the way they dress.

Indeed. Just as wearing a suit and tie to a barbie is inappropriate, so too are other clothing choices at other places and times.

Granted, people are free to wear what they want within the bounds of decency, but I have to wonder sometimes at what people consider appropriate attire.

Business suits are no longer de rigeur in business, especially if the business is somehow hip or aimed at certain demographics. Steve Jobs is a cool example of a successful businessman in casual clothing. But neither did he wear dirty, ripped, shabby clothing in public.

 

[Jobu]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

And that I think stands as a valid reason not to let P1s (or any non-CL for that matter) into the CLs by gazetted policy. It's not anything about P1s not taking up extra space, it's just a matter of preserving the whole idea of what CL is about (and, to be fair, it's more than just an exclusive lounge set).

i think the fact that its "gazetted policy" is irrelevant, at the end of the day it's a space that QF pays rent for and can use how they like, and I think it would help to improve the service offering of QF if they made that space more broadly available - see TonyHancock's response that he doesn't even fly QF domestic...

P1's wanting CL access.. sounds like DYKWIA to me. QF should have built a J lounge in PER along time ago.

well I only agree with one part of your statement. Where I am coming from is that I spend so much time in airports that it would make my life marginally more pleasant if I could find a quiet spot to work or even an available shower to use after a 12 hour flight before a domestic connection. In Brisbane and Perth I can hardly ever find a seat in the lounge, so I sit in the terminal and pay for coffee. Is that awful? No. Could it be better? Yes.

Why would they!? A Hi-Vi travelling regularly to the Pilbara can easily qualify for P1. So Marius Kloppers and Julia might get to sit and listen to Jason expounding the theory of economic rationalism while he scratches his a*** through his stubby shorts.

This is an exaggeration, most FIFO workers don't qualify for P1. They travel economy and not nearly regularly enough to get 3600 SCs. And the CL has over 7000 members, most of which are not MK or Julia, who by they way would not have any serious meetings in an airport lounge given they are more likely to run into opposition in the CL than anywhere else. (By the way, MK might benefit from Jason's theory)

On my phone so I can't multi-quote as I'd like but re the suggestions and/or wishes that P1 QFF members be able to access Chairman's Lounges, I think it falls at the first hurdle because AFAIK CL is not a level of, and is in no way part of, the QFF scheme. P1 is.

It's a QF lounge... QF can make it part of any scheme it wants.

I'm assuming a lot of fifo would reach P1 so I can understand why a blanket no access to the CL makes sense.

Again, not true. You can do the math.

by the way I only mentioned the concept because QF invited its AFF guests at the lunch to the lounge, which I thought was a very nice touch and made me wonder therefore why not extend an invite to their most loyal customers. Nothing controversial about that I hope

 

[Pushka]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

Again, not true. You can do the math.

I'd probably need some data on your average FIFO's to do the math. I know 3 FIFO's - one who lives in NSW and flies to remote WA each week; another who lives in New Zealand and flies to the Tanami, and another who lives in Europe and flies to Adelaide. They are all senior Management/CEO though, but they would most certainly be P1.

 

[TonyHancock]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

....and another who lives in Europe and flies to Adelaide.

:shock: mmmm that may make me a FIFO.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

:shock: mmmm that may make me a FIFO.

Maybe, depends on the Industry perhaps.

We seem to be stalking each other.....

Did people receive the refund for their Uber ride? I didn't.

 

[Happy Trails]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

Are FIFOs somehow less worthy than other frequent flyers?

 

[medhead]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

I don't know about math, but lets try some maths. Week on, week off means 52 flights from say east coast to north west WA. Assume they book flexible Y that means 70SC each way. For a total of 3640 SC a year.

Are FIFOs somehow less worthy than other frequent flyers?

No, in principle. However, there is a greater proportion of animals in that demographic and they are extremely unpleasant to be around. So the issue isn't worthiness, the issue is travel experience.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

Are FIFOs somehow less worthy than other frequent flyers?

No. They probably fund the business. But I'm guessing that the CL probably isn't the place for large groups of FIFO's to gather if the purpose of the CL is to provide a service different from that provided in the QP. But what does need to happen is that ESP in Perth the QP needs to be much larger and provide a better service for them. But there are issues with Perth's airport in general.

Thanks for confirming "the maths" medhead.

 

[simongr]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

I don't know about math, but lets try some maths. Week on, week off means 52 flights from say east coast to north west WA. Assume they book flexible Y that means 70SC each way. For a total of 3640 SC a year.

So then most FIFO are NOT going to be P1 given missing only one week would put them below the threshold for P1 at 3,500 SCs.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

So then most FIFO are NOT going to be P1 given missing only one week would put them below the threshold for P1 at 3,500 SCs.

Assuming they don't use all their ff points for a JASA or even First ASA for holidays?

 

[simongr]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

Good point - let's explore the maths a little further then. Say they take a three week holiday in First. The best FASA is going to be SYD-LHR-SYD which would earn 720 SCs. This would give them a buffer of 340SCs (23 returns of 140SCs and one trip of three weeks for 720 SCs for an annual total of 3,940 SCs). That buffer would equate to two return trips could be dropped and maintain P1. So is it normal for FIFO to work for 47 weeks of the year - travelling every week, have two weeks off and a three week holiday?

I am not saying FIFO can't make P1 - I just think the vast majority of FIFO wont make P1. My understanding (which is admittedly limited) is that the FIFO profile is something like four weeks on and two weeks off - it would only be the international J FIFO that would be hitting P1 in that instance.

 

[oz_mark]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

It's a QF lounge... QF can make it part of any scheme it wants.

...and QF have decided that the CL will fall outside the FF program, and have a highly controlled access policy, where they choose who gets access. Overcrowding may be an issue in the QP and J lounges, but Qantas have clearly decided that extending access to the CL for P1 members is not the answer.

 

[The Rok]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

So then most FIFO are NOT going to be P1 given missing only one week would put them below the threshold for P1 at 3,500 SCs.

1 Week on 1 Week off is a very rare roster.
Most employees flying from the East coast are flown from Perth and pay their own way to Perth, usually cheapest ticket. Only highly sought after people in certain companies will have flights paid for from the East Coast.
The most common roster is 2 weeks on 1 week off.
The vast majority of mines in the Pilbara are now on charter, and more are going that way. Charter flights earn points, not status credits.

 

[danny09]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

Im FIFO & get around 2400-2500 sc's from work, doing 9 & 5 roster, KGI-PER-PHE Return, the other 2000+ sc's I get per year is from personal travel.

P1 is obviously attainable doing FIFO, but the majority would need abit of personal travel/JASA's in there to get over the line to qualify for P1, I have already racked up 2400 sc's in my 5 months of this membership year. Certainly easily done if you know how :mrgreen:

 

[Jobu]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

I don't know about math, but lets try some maths. Week on, week off means 52 flights from say east coast to north west WA. Assume they book flexible Y that means 70SC each way. For a total of 3640 SC a year.

very few fifo rosters are 1 week on, 1 week off. Most are 2 and 1 and longer. Add to that annual leave, discount Y, that interstate fifo is not the majority, that Qantas doesnt fly every fifo worker to every hub, that not everyone works in Karratha or Port Hedland, and I rest my case.

 

[Jobu]

Re: Rockpool Bar and Grill Lunch with QFF confirmed attendees

...and QF have decided that the CL will fall outside the FF program, and have a highly controlled access policy, where they choose who gets access. Overcrowding may be an issue in the QP and J lounges, but Qantas have clearly decided that extending access to the CL for P1 members is not the answer.

And QF has never changed its mind...