FAA grounds 737 Max 9 Aircraft Indefinitely after Alaska Airlines incident

[drron]

The aircraft lease folk are predicting it won't be until at least 2027 that airlines get to their desirable ( as of now ) fleet numbers.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/aviations-wheelers-dealers-meet-under-shadow-max-crisis-2024-01-29/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=Daily-Briefing&utm_term=012924&user_email=42c279be87db2e6b362e5c5af53114ca6a8bab3e0d36948cf7872b29529df7e9

And little chance of any new aircraft design by either Airbus or Boeing until the 2030s.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/aviations-wheelers-dealers-meet-under-shadow-max-crisis-2024-01-29/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=Daily-Briefing&utm_term=012924&user_email=42c279be87db2e6b362e5c5af53114ca6a8bab3e0d36948cf7872b29529df7e9

But Ryanair isn't worried.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ryanair-sees-boeing-max-10-flying-first-quarter-2025-2024-01-29/

With Airbus trying to ramp up it's production of A320 neos QFs Project sunrise is likely to be delayed.

 

[jb747]

With Airbus trying to ramp up it's production of A320 neos QFs Project sunrise is likely to be delayed.

What makes you say that? Production of the 320NEO and the 350 aren't exactly related.

 

[drron]

What makes you say that? Production of the 320NEO and the 350 aren't exactly related.

Several reasons as Airbus is regularly missing it's targeted production numbers. it predicted 10 A350s a month in 2022 and delivered 5. currently at 6 a month with a prediction it will go to 9 a month in 2025. They have missed their production targets in the last 4 years.

AerCap Sees Aircraft Delivery Delays Lasting ‘Several’ Years | AIN

The world’s largest commercial aircraft lessor says traffic growth and a curtailed supply environment will drive lease transactions and higher rates.

www.ainonline.com

And the leasing companies are predicting delays in Airbus deliveries.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/air-lease-says-aircraft-delivery-delays-persist-years-2023-05-01/

 

[elanshin]

Several reasons as Airbus is regularly missing it's targeted production numbers. it predicted 10 A350s a month in 2022 and delivered 5. currently at 6 a month with a prediction it will go to 9 a month in 2025. They have missed their production targets in the last 4 years.

AerCap Sees Aircraft Delivery Delays Lasting ‘Several’ Years | AIN

The world’s largest commercial aircraft lessor says traffic growth and a curtailed supply environment will drive lease transactions and higher rates.

www.ainonline.com

And the leasing companies are predicting delays in Airbus deliveries.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/air-lease-says-aircraft-delivery-delays-persist-years-2023-05-01/

I suspect Airbus is being clever about how its arranging delivery schedules. Like QF getting 2 of the a220s now early then the rest will slowly come in over the next few years.

I suspect we'll see something similar with sunrise. 2-3 planes relatively on-time so that QF can have it's PR and launch event etc. Get all the fanfare launching the new planes then the rest of the fleet order slowly trickle in a while later.

 

[jb747]

I suspect we'll see something similar with sunrise. 2-3 planes relatively on-time so that QF can have it's PR and launch event etc. Get all the fanfare launching the new planes then the rest of the fleet order slowly trickle in a while later.

You don't want too slow a trickle, nor do you want only two at the start. You need enough to get the system running, training happening, and to allow for the inevitable down time. On the other hand, it will take time for the recipient to find the money....

 

[ethernet]

Sigh - Non public hearings means lies and omissions are gotten away with. In the days past a Motorola QA would have pinpointed this immediately, and identified who made the QA change. Just read the border control people in the USA have made suggestions to fix things, but the head is an appointee knows 'on the ground' suggestions may create extra work and extra costs. Head in the sand works for many. As the same fault was found in many other planes - the fault is systemic - not a one off.

 

[dajop]

One of the faults of American style capitalism where you discount future risks for immediate returns this quarter, and deal with sh#t when it happens rather than prevent that sh#t from happening in the first place. Important that CEOs get their bonuses, more important than anything else.

Many companies live and breathe by their quarterly results and to hell with what happens tomorrow. I’ve worked for American companies for 20 years and time and time again you see that taking a small hit one quarter (through an investment or maintaining cost structure or forgoing a small amount of revenue) could save a whole stack of grief and 10/100 millions in McKinsey fees a few years later. But those choices seem to be rarely made.

 

[Scarlett]

Sigh - Non public hearings means lies and omissions are gotten away with. In the days past a Motorola QA would have pinpointed this immediately, and identified who made the QA change. Just read the border control people in the USA have made suggestions to fix things, but the head is an appointee knows 'on the ground' suggestions may create extra work and extra costs. Head in the sand works for many. As the same fault was found in many other planes - the fault is systemic - not a one off.

. Umm…

Hey @ethernet, is there an English translation of this post somewhere?
I can understand the individual words and even groups of them, but the sentences don’t seem to make sense.

 

[jakeseven7]

An important safety announcement from Alaskan on the problematic MAX, with an Australian’s take on it too

(Might have to have insta / it’s a story post)

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[jakeseven7]

Oh dear…..

Door panel which flew off Boeing 737 MAX missing four key bolts, NTSB report finds​

Photo evidence released Tuesday shows bolts were missing from the door plug, which had been removed to fix rivets which were damaged in the production process, according to the independent US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) report.

A door panel that flew off a Boeing jet mid-flight appeared to be missing four key bolts

The findings are the result of an initial report by a US safety board investigating the incident.

www.abc.net.au

 

[dairyfloss]

Was just reading this on SMH, as well. Although shocking that a frame could go back into service without the bolts put back on the door/plug (which will of course never happen again to any such part), I am oddly comforted by the fact it still completed however many flights it did without incident until AS1282 finally occurred! I can only see 3 months of history from today from FlightAware, but even from the 2nd week of November to AS1282 on the 5th Jan it completed upwards of 140 flights.

 

[oz_mark]

Link to NTSB Report

DCA24MA063.aspx

www.ntsb.gov

 

[OATEK]

I thought one of the most damning findings was that the Boeing factory staff took a photo after their work around the plug window that showed three of four bolts were missing when the finished putting it back in place (the fourth location was obscured).

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/alaska-airlines-max-9-left-boeing-factory-without-key-retention-hardware/news-story/560b4141ff9cc37e1b1bf1ac3b184565

 

[Himeno]

It would appear that the problem is because someone marked the plug as "opened" and not "removed", even though the process for both in regards to the plug door is the same.
Then since it was "opened", the "closed" process doesn't require them to check the bolts are in place.

They need to change the processes so that a plug door can only be "removed" and never "opened".

 

[JohnM]

A very detailed description of the door plug incident, especially the crew emergency response, from Mentour Pilot earlier today:

 

[Ansett]

And now another issue.

FAA Issues New Warning Of Wiring Issue On 737 MAX Wing Spoilers

The FAA has published a new proposed airworthiness directive for Boeing 737 MAX planes following reports of improperly installed spoiler wire bundles.

www.forbes.com

 

[jb747]

And now another issue.

It truly is the gift that just keeping giving. I especially like the bit about not being able to specify which aircraft, which basically means they’ll have to look at all of them.

 

[elanshin]

Didn't Boeing just fail a significantly large amount of FAA QA audit checks as well?

 

[flyer89]

it appears the the most humane thing to do would be to put the MAX down. There’s none and Buckley’s chance of that though.

 

[elanshin]

Didn't Boeing just fail a significantly large amount of FAA QA audit checks as well?

Boeing fails large portion of FAA audit as investigators probe New Zealand 787 incident

New details about another FAA audit of the production of 737 Max 9 planes reveal that Boeing failed a large portion of the evaluation.

www.cbsnews.com

Yeh 33/89 audit checks failed. Not a good look to fail more than 1/3