Fair to be paying for an overweight passenger?

[supertrader]

Lol mate, you should reread your posts from a neutral point of view. You come across very passionate about this 'issue'.

 

[Captain Halliday]

Can someone pass the popcorn please.

Edit: Daver6 beat me to it.

 

[bean]

Are you delusional? You can't charge people more or less based on their ethnicity; you charge based on your model (a la carte, buffet etc). If I go to your buffet, the service is a buffet, it has nothing to do with what I weigh. Dear lord.

Ethnicity has nothing to do with it-you brought that up. I was talking about directly passing on costs. It's not really that hard a concept to grasp.
I think you are being racist by inferring there are ethnicities who are all obese. Shame on you.

 

[supertrader]

This is a user pays thread, please let me know how much you weigh so that I know how much to charge you on my weight/cost popcorn price scale...

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[Quickstatus]

Can someone pass the popcorn please.

I've finished the popcorn and have started on a tub of Connoseurs icecream.

Actually tolls are not based on weight but height and possibly length.

Landtax is not based on size of land but it's value.
Maybe we should be charging air tickets based on net worth?

 

[supertrader]

Racism: "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

I'd suggest you learn what racism is before you start throwing around wild accusations. Have a good night, champ!

 

[bean]

I've finished the popcorn and have started on a tub of Connoseurs icecream.

Actually tolls are not based on weight but height and possibly length.

Landtax is not based on size of land but it's value.
Maybe we should be charging air tickets based on net worth?

Where did I say tolls were based on weight? It was a comparison of user pays-trucks cause more wear and tear to roads leading to more costs in upkeep which is passed on in the toll. But if you want to get technical the wear and tear is most likes a direct result of of their additional weight..

 

[CJEMNMAC]

Actually tolls are not based on weight but height and possibly length.

Landtax is not based on size of land but it's value.
Maybe we should be charging air tickets based on net worth?

I was going to say tolls are based on the GVM of the vehicle, but funnily enough they are not charged on the weight of the driver or passenger

 

[Captain Halliday]

<don't have a moderator hat>

While I wouldn't want to stifle genuine discussion on this weighty issue, I reckon it's getting close to the point where a moderator will weigh in and suggest people stop getting so heavy.

Perhaps it's time to lighten up.

I'm trying to take a light touch.

Weigh too many puns?

 

[Milboo]

Are you delusional? You can't charge people more or less based on their ethnicity; you charge based on your model (a la carte, buffet etc). If I go to your buffet, the service is a buffet, it has nothing to do with what I weigh. Dear lord.

I am surprised (well not actually) that you can't see the massive flaw in your comparison.

If you are selling food in your restaurant and someone eats more than the next person then, subject to them ordering a la carte and not buffet, then you charge them for what they have consumed. So they pay for what they have received.

If if they have ordered a fixed price menu and decide to add a cheese course, then you charge them for that additional consumption.

Now if you compare that to a flight, the service that is being offered by the airline is transportation from point A to point B at the advertised fare. And people pay for that service, which may include a baggage allowance.

If someone rocks up with a standard fare and decides to add on an extra ten kgs of luggage, then they get charged for that additional service.

Suggesting charging extra based on someone's personal weight is indirect indiscrimination. And arguably, the forty five kg person with no luggage could argue the same. Where is their refund given they come under the allowable limit, or can they sell their additional weight allowance to someone else to recover their costs???

 

[Hvr]

Ethnicity has nothing to do with it-you brought that up. I was talking about directly passing on costs. It's not really that hard a concept to grasp.
I think you are being racist by inferring there are ethnicities who are all obese. Shame on you.

Actually, I originally raised the issue of ethnicity when discussing indirect discrimination. I also posted a link showing what it was and how it applied to this scenario. Nothing about people of discrete ethnic groups being obese.

Just noting that some people are small, some are medium size and others are heavier (without being obese) because of their ethnic origin.

 

[Hvr]

<don't have a moderator hat>

While I wouldn't want to stifle genuine discussion on this weighty issue, I reckon it's getting close to the point where a moderator will weigh in and suggest people stop getting so heavy.

Perhaps it's time to lighten up.

I'm trying to take a light touch.

Weigh too many puns?

<don't have a moderator hat>

Well an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

[Quickstatus]

Where did I say tolls were based on weight? It was a comparison of user pays-trucks cause more wear and tear to roads leading to more costs in upkeep which is passed on in the toll. But if you want to get technical the wear and tear is most likes a direct result of of their additional weight..

Not true a vehicle with a roof rack depending on the height can be charged more than a vehicle with the same weight but shorter.

Should business class continue to subsidise economy?

 

[bean]

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And I'm surprised u can't see the cost of operating an aircraft varies directly with its weight

 

[drron]

So just why someone who is very fit but weighs say 105KG have to pay more than a very unfit person weighing say 35kg.
I have seen both those types today-one a recent Origin football player over 180cm tall the other verging on anorexia and only 150cm tall-probably wouldn't have been able to carry a carryon on.
Just why do you think it is fair for someone who has looked after themselves,not an ounce of extra fat who exercises regularly but because of their height etc means they weigh more than your idea of the ideal weight,have to pay extra.

 

[bean]

Omg....it has nothing to do with fitness, it has to do with passing on the cost of operation.

 

[Quickstatus]

Omg....it has nothing to do with fitness, it has to do with passing on the cost of operation.

Using your wear and tear implies more weight analogy....

Fitness = more healthy implies less medical diversions = less cost on airline.

Maybe they should do a complete physical at checkin.
Carrying medications = ticket surcharge
Treadmill test poor anaerobic threshold = ticket surcharge
You got sniffles = ticket surcharge as you could make others including the crew ill and take sickies later.

 

[Mattg]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but fuel only makes up around a quarter of an airline's operating costs.

Labour costs almost as much as fuel for an airline. Should airlines also start charging passengers for pressing the call button?

 

[Deleted member]

Re: Fair to be paying for an overweight passenger? [When you are not overweight]

Why? Its a true user pays system. You also need to look at it from the total package-you may only be checking 18kg of baggage which would offset your additional 7kgs of body weight.

You probably don't realise you are already subsidising all of the over weight people as it is and your ticket would probably end up cheaper.

Why should I be charged to subsidise the 20% of the population who are now classified as obese?

Well you don't have to subsidize me, I fly in J !
Which ironically allows me a whole lot more in baggage allowance.

 

[Quickstatus]

Checkin should be timed. Above the average time required at checkin counter there should be a surcharge and below a fare credit.

Crew have to maintain toilets during flight so loos should be pay to use. They could upsell toilet paper - why not sell premium loo paper?.