Farewell QFF

What I will point out and keep pointing out is you can't be this profitable and keep investors happy unless you satisfy your customers and for that I would argue Qantas does a fabulous job. There are way more satisfied customers with Qantas versus Virgin and many other carriers.
You'd win precisely none of those arguments. Are sure you're even in the right thread? Perhaps you can point me to the threads about fed up and angry VA pax jumping to QF to support this claim.

I am not a happy shareholder just because the price hasn't plummeted relative to others. With planes full of high paying pax, the situation and outlook ought to be a lot more rosy.
 
And if she gets say ~20 people (just a guess, it could be more or less than that) a day out of the millions of FFs contacting her through that method a day it could take a lot out of her day to try to manually get people to follow all those up, and if people feel they have success using that method once, they are likely to try using it again and tell others to do the same.
I operated at a senior level in Business myself. I didn't need to deal with these type of issues myself. Just make sure they were dealt with. Qantas are almost uncontactable now. Read the posts from people who have terrible experiences of late with Qantas before passing jusgement. So what does that say about customer care? Which incidentally Stephanie Tully is / was the Group Chief Customer Officer of.
 
You'd win precisely none of those arguments. Are sure you're even in the right thread? Perhaps you can point me to the threads about fed up and angry VA pax jumping to QF to support this claim.
Can you name a single customer of Qantas that has complained in recent memory? Has American Express complained? What about Citi, ANZ or NAB? They all seem quite content with the value Qantas has added to their credit card portfolios.
I am not a happy shareholder just because the price hasn't plummeted relative to others. With planes full of high paying pax, the situation and outlook ought to be a lot more rosy.
Shareholder performance wise QF has remained strong relative to other airlines. They survived the storm which forced them to move from being a large international carrier to a small regional Australian one (a position they hold to this day) yet largely their stock remains somewhat stable. Now if we compare it to stocks outside aviation, then yeah there are certainly better options. But you know going into purchasing an airline's stock that you are doing this as an aviation enthusiast not as a level-headed traded.

-RooFlyer88
 
@kangarooflyer88 you have an out of context definition of a Qantas customer. You're OT and in the wrong thread for that.

As I've said, just because the share prices hasn't plunged like others, yet, that doesn't mean QF shareholders are happy. I'm actually optimistic given the Webjet performance.
 
Reminder why I don’t fly QF normally, 1h 45m delay on QF143. Blame inbound aircraft delays. Inbound arrived 3m late.

Don’t lie. It’s annoying.

This is an all too common practice. But even when the delay is no more than the delay to the inbound aircraft that still doesn't make it acceptable.
 
Can you name a single customer of Qantas that has complained in recent memory? Has American Express complained? What about Citi, ANZ or NAB? They all seem quite content with the value Qantas has added to their credit card portfolios.

Shareholder performance wise QF has remained strong relative to other airlines. They survived the storm which forced them to move from being a large international carrier to a small regional Australian one (a position they hold to this day) yet largely their stock remains somewhat stable. Now if we compare it to stocks outside aviation, then yeah there are certainly better options. But you know going into purchasing an airline's stock that you are doing this as an aviation enthusiast not as a level-headed traded.

-RooFlyer88
Apologies but referring to QF as ever being a 'large' International carrier is a bit of a long bow. They haven't ever been a large International carrier. Also how would you personally know if any of the banks have complained about QF? What evidence do you have to support your statement?
 
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I have a quiet chuckle reading some these.

I too am guilty of making similar statements in the heat of the moment (especially an abysmal treatment by LH a while back).

But if the op is not ever going to fly QF again domestically, perhaps there is some light reading for him at


I have only flown QF 4 times in the last 12 months (3 x domestic, 1 x international). Each time the flight left within 5 mins of schedule, all arrived before schedule, my luggage was not lost or damaged and came out quickly, the crew were fine, some great, my flight wasn't cancelled (one was rescheduled by 5 minutes). Priority boarding was not executed well on 2 out of 4. The food was well - "airline" food.
 
The best indicator of a company's performance:

When shareholders are happy, the staff and customers are being screwed.
Depends who you define as "customers". If you mean credit card companies who buy points from QF, they seem to be quite happy with the arrangement. If your definition of customers is actual passengers, that might vary depending on the customers, how and where they travel on the QF network!
A mod needs to setup a QFF vent thread wiki to avoid cluttering the feed with variations on the themes…
I reckon there needs to be a little more than a vent given the comments I've heard on AFF. Perhaps a QF Chimney thread? 😂

-RooFlyer88
 
I must admit i'm no longer exclusively Qantas.

Even when Qantas announce new international routes, July, August and September are always blocked out with no availability released (except Manila). I can understand they want to maximise profits for very busy flights. But it's also two fingers up to all QFFs who can't use their points for much of the year.

If Qantas follow BA and start guaranteeing 4 (or even 2) business seats on every flight then i'll start taking them seriously again.
 
Can you name a single customer of Qantas that has complained in recent memory?

-RooFlyer88
ME, and plenty of others...

A single customer - like people buying flights... Those people are customers...

And no you cannot weasel out of the nonsense of your question by holding up credit card companies... A SINGLE customer includes people buying flights. Single - ONE ONLY.
 
Haven't read every post in this thread, but just in case someone in QF is reading ....

I been a QFF since it was launched in the 80's when you had to qualify with kms flown (& before the merger with TAA and the launch of the new QFF program when anyone can join), and have flown with them where possible since.

Looked for reward options for 2 Europe trips in first half of 2023 but ended up booking both trips with Singapore Airlines.
 
A mod needs to setup a QFF vent thread wiki to avoid cluttering the feed with variations on the themes…

Someone suggested something like that a while back, but was declined. At the time I suggested they start a Qantas appreciation thread, but that didn't happen. 🤣

Looked for reward options for 2 Europe trips in first half of 2023 but ended up booking both trips with Singapore Airlines.
Trouble is, Qantas just wouldn't care.
 
Trouble is, Qantas just wouldn't care.
Qantas doesn't care about redemptions and that's frankly short sighted on their part. Many airlines are raking in billions a year selling airline miles to credit card companies not only domestically but internationally. For instance, consider the oft-praised Singapore Airlines who boasts partnerships with credit cards in many countries including Japan, Malaysia, Indonesia and Australia. Meanwhile Air Canada, which boasts the most number of award partners of any airline frequent flyer program regularly sells heaps of points not only to credit card companies but to customers who actually make an argument for forking out many thousands of dollars to buy points.

All of that said, there is still value in those points, but you need to be really clever to find it either booking domestic trips to otherwise expensive "domestic" destinations like LDH, LRE or NLK, upgrading dirt cheap red e-deal fares to J (i.e .SYD > MEL on the A330), or coming up with very circuitous routings to get you to Europe or North America (i.e. flying KLM to Italy) and hoping a last minute cancellation will force QF to rebook you onto their own metal. Sadly, those people are a very small subset, arguably even a smaller subset than the general audience of AFF.

-RooFlyer88
 
Qantas doesn't care about redemptions and that's frankly short sighted on their part. Many airlines are raking in billions a year selling airline miles to credit card companies not only domestically but internationally. For instance, consider the oft-praised Singapore Airlines who boasts partnerships with credit cards in many countries including Japan, Malaysia, Indonesia and Australia. Meanwhile Air Canada, which boasts the most number of award partners of any airline frequent flyer program regularly sells heaps of points not only to credit card companies but to customers who actually make an argument for forking out many thousands of dollars to buy points.

All of that said, there is still value in those points, but you need to be really clever to find it either booking domestic trips to otherwise expensive "domestic" destinations like LDH, LRE or NLK, upgrading dirt cheap red e-deal fares to J (i.e .SYD > MEL on the A330), or coming up with very circuitous routings to get you to Europe or North America (i.e. flying KLM to Italy) and hoping a last minute cancellation will force QF to rebook you onto their own metal. Sadly, those people are a very small subset, arguably even a smaller subset than the general audience of AFF.

-RooFlyer88
TL;DR😉. Whatever. Qantas management just doesn't give a rat's bottom about bad customer experiences. There are too many punters willing to pay ridiculous prices for experiences well below what they can get elsewhere. It's the next MD who will have to pick up the pieces of a ruined brand when the pent up demand subsides.
 
Don't think anyone at QF reads up on here anymore.
Some people on here have contacts in QF but since our liaison girl left, it's all on your lonesome and for you to deal with the outsourced call center, or if lucky and if higher QF status get the HBA or AKL QF staffed call centre.
 
the only reason I’d fly QF at present, as they aren’t winning on $ or on time performance or cancellations, only on their wide body to/from PER

Actually they are winning on both on time performance and cancellations; best on both counts in October.

 

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