Finnair AY Debuts New Livery, Amenities and Menus

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I miss the hosties saying: "Today we have elk or reindeer" (true story).

Yes on our last flight we had Reindeer meatballs which were very yummy. In fact we've had them several times now and look forward to them.

Re Champagne ... it is never too early for Champagne. In fact my partner & I have a custom. If we are ever offered genuine Champagne we must never refuse it. May be that's part of our excuse for J travel. Besides, Champagne just makes everything better. And if after your first glass things aren't better, then have another glass and reassess the situation. Rinse & repeat until things are better. Problem solved.
 
Champagne just makes everything better. And if after your first glass things aren't better, then have another glass and reassess the situation. Rinse & repeat until things are better. Problem solved.

This thread is very encouraging. I have a SYD-xHKG-xHEL-BUD and return next month on CX/AY in J. Something to look forward to, by this thread. I had misgivings about the slope-flat seat, but if they are so free with the champagne, then I will try nonpop's and partner-of-nonpop's problem solving strategy.

What spirits, fortified and dessert wines are offered in AY J? I may need to come up with 'solutions' of my own...
 
This thread is very encouraging. I have a SYD-xHKG-xHEL-BUD and return next month on CX/AY in J. Something to look forward to, by this thread. I had misgivings about the slope-flat seat, but if they are so free with the champagne, then I will try nonpop's and partner-of-nonpop's problem solving strategy.

What spirits, fortified and dessert wines are offered in AY J? I may need to come up with 'solutions' of my own...

Your CX flight will be better than the AY flight sorry to say.
CX has better J seating SYD to HKG. But again the price is always a deciding factor and that's where AY seem to come up.
The AY slop bed ... heck our view is anything is better than being in Y. So let's bring on 2014 when they get replaced. The danger though is when airlines schedule cabin upgrades they tend to let the existing cabin run down as they know that they will be swapping them out soon.

Re the Champagne ... there has never been an issue and on our last flight we had constant offers to top us up once they realised this was our thing. With dinner we usually pick a French red (we figure it matches the French bubbles) as we always have a meet dish (never the fish - too much of the movie Flying High keeps popping into my head).

I can't recall what the dessert wines are as we don't drink them and usually (who I am kidding) we always revert back to Champagne for the cheese plate each. The Mrs wouldn't have it any other way. Oh first world problems are good to have.

When in HEL do try out their lounge. Just make sure you use the one through immigration (check my trip report for the entrance sign pics and lounge pics). That is the nicer lounge with funky seating. The only issue we had with it was that real Champagne was charged for and not free. It was Mummm and some ridiculous price. Again, first world problem.
 
J Breakfast HEL-AMS last Nov.

The Lunch and Dinner options on Euro flights have been ok. Although their latest menu is "international" themed. I miss the hosties saying: "Today we have elk or reindeer" (true story).

My first AY experience was HKG - HEL about 5yrs ago. At 7am we were offered a pre-departure glass of bubbles. I asked if it was too early? She replied, "It is never too early for Champagne".

I AM going to enjoy these flights :D
 
The only issue we had with it was that real Champagne was charged for and not free. It was Mummm and some ridiculous price. Again, first world problem.

OT sorry, but that's the only thing I liked about the Air France so-called lounge in HKG - as much serve yourself Mumm as you want, and as soon as the bottle starts to get beyond half empty they rush out the replacements.
(Sorry, now back to Finnair...)
 
OT sorry, but that's the only thing I liked about the Air France so-called lounge in HKG - as much serve yourself Mumm as you want, and as soon as the bottle starts to get beyond half empty they rush out the replacements.
(Sorry, now back to Finnair...)

2 things.

1. Any data point about the availability of good Champagne in airports is appreciated.

2. I wonder what happens to the >half-empty soldiers?
 
2 things.

1. Any data point about the availability of good Champagne in airports is appreciated.

2. I wonder what happens to the >half-empty soldiers?

1. Noted.

2. To clarify: they didn't take them away half empty, they would have one full bottle and one on the go at any given time. We had a four hour stopover and the two of us were the only ones drinking Mumm (I think that our fellow lounge lizards feared that we would bite their arms off if they tried to take some. In truth, we would have welcomed them as kindred spirits).
 
Whilst the talk of menus and beds is promising, no one is mentioning if the IFE is being upgraded from its current quazi third-world level program selection (my personal bete noir with AY).

Get as comfortable and as juiced as you like, but without something decent to watch or listen to, it's still a long flight HEL-S.E.Asia... (YMMV, of course)
 
Whilst the talk of menus and beds is promising, no one is mentioning if the IFE is being upgraded from its current quazi third-world level program selection (my personal bete noir with AY).

Get as comfortable and as juiced as you like, but without something decent to watch or listen to, it's still a long flight HEL-S.E.Asia... (YMMV, of course)

Fair comment. Although, I usually find at least one thing to watch then try and sleep on the longhaul to/from HEL.

Anyone able to comment on the newer A330 config and whether the IFE is better or same?

You can always brush up on your Finnish if bored....
 
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... if the IFE is being upgraded from its current quazi third-world level program selection (my personal bete noir with AY)

The A330 to / from BKK seems to have reasonable IFE. Not the selection of QF, but nonetheless we've not felt wanting and always seem to find something as well.
The system also seems to work well and haven't experienced lock up issue. Some of their older fleet such as A340 can be very average on the other hand. For us we usually have a feed, catch 1 or 2 movies, finalise some work, grab an hour or 3s sleep, have another feed, have bubbles along the way then land.

If worst comes to worst, we usually have our laptops (ultabooks) + tablets so seem to have almost unlimited content if needed.

Again it all is in the cost / benefit balance for this little black duck.
 
Have I Over-Analysed This Enough? Comments/Advice on My Plan Welcome.

I'm at the time in my credit card cycle where I can buy my ticket now (SYD to CDG via BKK in J) and not pay until late July, am strongly leaning towards the AY flight but I want to look at the pros and cons.

Price: The ticket at $5678.09 is around $1000 less than the next ticket that I’d consider, which is a combination of QF, JL and AF at $6603.17 Pro

Route: The flight goes via Bangkok with a 12 hour overnight stopover on the way over and 11 hours through the day on the way back. I’ve never been to Bangkok so this is appealing, I would arrive at 16.30 so I could visit the city, spend an evening there and return to the Novotel at the airport for a good night’s sleep in time for the 09:00 flight the next morning, even making time for breakfast at the hotel. The return flight arrives at BKK at 7:15 which would fit in with a day room rate at the Novotel. My alternate option would go via Narita, with a six hour stay there both ways which isn’t too appealing, too long to hang around the lounge and too short to get to Tokyo and do anything there Pro

Seats: Flights between Sydney are on Qantas on their A330s, which I’m ok with. The flight from BKK to HEL on my date of travel is 2 2 2 configuration which is a bit disappointing, but the return has the single seats (can't really change the dates). I plan on getting a single on the “A/C” side as they seem to be more spacious than the “L” – any traps here I should be aware of, is L perhaps more private or is there something else I should consider? The flights between HEL and CDG don’t have a real J class, but I’m ok with that for the short flight, I’ll try to get a seat in the first row, aisle. One of the options I noticed between CDG and HEL was a flight not operated by Finnair, but by Flybe which I would not consider taking Pro and Con.

Transfers: Despite assurances already given in this thread and elsewhere, I’m still worried about the short transfer time at HEL, 50 minutes going over and 55 minutes returning. I’m one of those people who leaves my brain at the door when I enter an airport and this doesn’t give me much leeway for getting lost. I also means that I won’t be able to enjoy the lounge at HEL. Con

Amenities: The kit sounds quite basic, but that’s fine, I usually don’t use much from them and just bring them home for my niece. I’ll have the QF kits between Syd and BKK anyway, and the flight. IFE doesn’t bother me much, I like to have it but there’s only so much Big Bang Theory that I can watch in one sitting. Neither Pro nor Con

QFF: The points sound to be as generous as I’d get with any non-QF ticket, certainly better than MH, and this trip should bump me up to Silver. Pro

This thread and the associated trip and hotel reports have probably been more use to me than any thread I’ve come across either on AFF or FT, I’m grateful to everyone who has contributed here, it’s obviously been very helpful, and I think the pros outweigh the cons, particularly with price. I’ll probably book the ticket this evening after vodka o’clock.

Any comments? I’m sure that I haven’t over-analysed things quite enough, but this flight is a bit more interesting and complex that my usual MH Sydney to Paris and back so it’s been a fun exercise for me.
 
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I'm doing much the same thing in August, but terminating in HEL. HEL airport is typically Scandinavian and pretty efficient. Yours is an AY to AY connection, at their home port, so if 50 mins is their legal connection, I'd be comfortable with it. If you miss the flight to CDG, they will get you on the next flight. Not a great situation, but you have that 'insurance'.

European J is just Economy with the middle seat left vacant, and some better food & bev.

Your fare for J is pretty good and as you say, you get 2 QF flights and a good dollop of FF points on AY. I'd say go for it in confidence.

And a decent 640 SCs return - that should get you to Gold, or very close to it?
 
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Thanks for the response, I've booked the ticket. I couldn't calculate the SCs, didn't think I'd get anything like 640 so I'll be really happy with that, I should easily make gold. I'll get a pair of QF J pyjamas as the return flight BKK to Sydney is overnightJ.

It looks to be the last flight to CDG for the day, so if I miss the connection I’ll have a night in Helsinki which could be fun.

I've selected the seats on AY but can't do it on the QF flights yet, maybe it's too far away, I can't do it on either the AY or the QF site.
 
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I've selected the seats on AY but can't do it on the QF flights yet, maybe it's too far away, I can't do it on either the AY or the QF site.

I'm flying AY to Europe via HKG (in J) in a few weeks. Seat selection for the AY operated flights was via the AY website - no problem. I needed to use the CX website to select seats for the CX operated codeshare (no option to do this from the AY site). If QF isn't letting you do this, is it a problem at the QF end of things? Perhaps a call to them would help?

For those of you AFFers who've been this route - I've read that on a long connection at HEL, using the AY non-Schengen lounge is more pleasant than the AY Schengen lounge, as long as I leave enough time to clear security and immigration. Any truth to this?
 
Re: Have I Over-Analysed This Enough? Comments/Advice on My Plan Welcome.

The Qantas site seems to let me select the seats then at the end I get an error message so no selections are saved; at this stage some seats are blocked but none show up as occupied. I'll keep an eye on the flight and if seats start to go I'll give them a call. Thanks for the info. I'm not too fussy about the QF seats, would prefer an aisle seat in the centre so I don't have anyone climbing over me to go to the loo.
 
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Just saying that I had the 50 minute connection two years ago. Had booked the fare with a travel agent, and they just changed the flight to the same one the following day for no cost (or perhaps it wasn't yet ticketed), so 30hrs with which to explore HEL. Stayed in a nice hotel and took the ferry across to the Suomenlinna island. Overall, a nice place just to relax for a little while, after the hustle and bustle of places like CDG, LHR and FCO. I'd recommend it if not pushed for time. Next time I'd like to take the AY route, but perhaps explore a little further north too...

Free wifi at HEL too!
 
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Re: Have I Over-Analysed This Enough? Comments/Advice on My Plan Welcome.

The Qantas site seems to let me select the seats then at the end I get an error message so no selections are saved; at this stage some seats are blocked but none show up as occupied. I'll keep an eye on the flight and if seats start to go I'll give them a call. Thanks for the info. I'm not too fussy about the QF seats, would prefer an aisle seat in the centre so I don't have anyone climbing over me to go to the loo.

My last AY booking via SIN appeared in my QF manage bookings as two Amedeus PNRs. One let me select seating on the QF operated sectors and the other threw up errors. Check your eTicket to see if there is another booking ref for QF. Or just try calling QF direct.
 
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Re short connection at HEL ... having done this on more than one occasion, I'm happy to keep doing it. In fact I like it a lot. 50 mins (subject to a plane breaking down) is heaps. Plus skipping LHR is something I love!!

Re the amenity packs ... they are 'lite' on when they give them to you ... but you can request all the items you need e.g toothbrush & paste. The (thick) brown paper bag it comes in though is a bit strange the first time, but I've come to realise I just throw then bags away after the flight so the paper then makes sense. Those crazy Finns seem to take the recycling thing seriously.

Re seat selection QF / AY. You will need to use QF web site for QF & AY website for AY.

Re lounge ... yes if you have a long transfer then the international (non-Schengen) lounge is by far the way to go. Very Nordic and much bigger with better facilities (see a few pages back for a link to a trip report I did with pics of the lounge). My only grip was real Champagne cost real Euro vs the free sparkling.

Re WiFi at HEL ... yes free and fast.

Remember ... as always, YMMV.
 
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I was successful at last selecting my QF seats. This morning an additional booking reference appeared on the Qantas site - ie my original was SEAB12 and now the Qantas site shows that one and also SECD34 (not the real ref. numbers). The original PNR still won't let me select Qantas seats, I go through the motions and then receive an error message, but the second allowed me to select the seats. So it appears to be the same as Syd suggested in post #38 (from memory the second PNR wasn't on the Qantas site last night when I first made the booking).

nonpop, I'm grateful for your reassurance again re the connection time, it sounds almost too good to be true. And I'll be sure to ask for a toothbrush :)

I'm a bit sorry that I didn't choose to stay overnight in Helsinki, I ended up booking on the Finnair site as Zuji was acting up, and I could have easily delayed HEL to CDG until the next day. I'm actually kicking myself as I have a former colleague who I'm very fond of who is Finnish and lives in Helsinki so we could have caught up - so a delay that causes me to miss the connection might even be welcome!
 
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