Flight Availability/Loadings & Upgrade Probability Help Desk

[Sprucegoose]

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Understanding [Fare Buckets] Expert Flyer

I'd appreciate some help understanding the information EF provides. For example, F6 A6 J9 C9 D9 I0 B9 H9 K9 M9 R9 L9 V9 S0 N0 Q0 O0 X0 E0 What letters do I look at to try to work out how many seats are still available in economy? What letters do I look at to try to work out how many...

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

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Interpreting and Understanding Expert Flyer​

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If looking for, say Qantas points upgrades, look for A class for First, mid to high D or any I class for Business and any R for Premium Economy.

Look for the most expensive category of the cabin YOU are currently booked in as being sold out e.g. J0 to first, W0 to Business & Y0 to PE for increased op-up chances. Also, look for availability on the discount premium buckets (A, P, I, D, U, T & Z inventories).

Conversely, look for high numbers in the discount economy buckets (N, O, Q, E & X inventories) for reduced op-up chances.

Seat maps can be a VERY rough guide but note that just because a seat is not showing as allocated does not mean that seat hasn't been sold. Not everyone pre-selects seats.

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Original thread title: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Appreciate it if someone could check EP for loadings.

thnxs

SPRUCE

 

[get me outta here]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Thanks OATEK, yes apparently there was a sale on Y+ a little while ago.

I did not understand his part, "in W, every seat is allocated so the W3 suggests they are prepared to oversell". But there's no cost in trying and missing out is there?

Expert Flyer returns the following: F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 I3 W3 R0 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G0 E9

Doesn't look too busy, except in W (Prem Econ). The seat maps show 8 unallocated spaces in J, and another 17 blocked. But in W, every seat is allocated so the W3 suggests they are prepared to oversell. So some op ups may reduce likelihood of upgrade. Probably worth a try though.

 

[KVS]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Can someone please tell me the loadings for the following TG flights? Looking to see how full the F cabin is likely to be.
29 October
SYD-BKK TG476
30 October
BKK-HKG TG606
8 November
HKG-BKK TG601
BKK-SYD TG475

[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.5/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]

SYD  Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY]
BKK  Bangkok Metro / Suvarnabhumi Intl TH = BKK DMK [VTBS]
WED  29 Oct 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------------------
QF         23      SYD   09:55     BKK   15:35     333      J9 C8 D5 I3 U0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G0 X9 E0
PG/QF      4530    SYD   09:55     BKK   15:35     333      C7 D7 Y7 M7 K7 N7 T7 L7 H7 Q7 V7
TG         476     SYD   10:00     BKK   15:25     744      F6 A6 P6 C9 D9 J9 Z5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 T9 K9 S9 V9 W9
TG         472     SYD   15:40     BKK   21:05     744      F8 A8 P8 C9 D9 J9 Z4 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 T9 K9 S9 V9 W9
OS/TG      8640    SYD   15:40     BKK   21:05     744      J4 C4 D4 Z4 P4 Y4 B4 M4 U? H4 G4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 E4 L4 K4
EK         419     SYD   19:45     BKK   00:55 +1  77W      F4 A4 J7 C7 I7 O7 P2 Y9 E9 R9 W9 M9 B9 U9 K9 H0 Q9 L9 T9 V9 X9
QF/EK      8419    SYD   19:45     BKK   00:55 +1  77W      F4 A4 J7 C7 D7 I7 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9

[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.5/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]

BKK  Bangkok Metro / Suvarnabhumi Intl TH = BKK DMK [VTBS]
HKG  Hong Kong Chek Lap Kok Intl HK [VHHH]
THU  30 Oct 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------
TG         600     BKK   08:00     HKG   11:45     744      F3 A3 P3 C9 D9 J9 Z2 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 T9 K9 S9 V9 W9
TG         628     BKK   10:30     HKG   14:20     777      C9 D9 J9 Z6 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 T9 K9 S9 V9 W9
TG         638     BKK   14:00     HKG   17:45     330      C9 D9 J9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 T9 K9 S9 V8 W0
TG         606     BKK   16:00     HKG   19:45     744      F3 A3 P3 C9 D9 J9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 T9 K9 S9 V9 W9
TG         602     BKK   18:40     HKG   22:25     330      C9 D9 J9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 T9 K9 S9 V9 W9

[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.5/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]

HKG  Hong Kong Chek Lap Kok Intl HK [VHHH]
BKK  Bangkok Metro / Suvarnabhumi Intl TH = BKK DMK [VTBS]
SYD  Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY]
SAT  08 Nov 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------
TG         603     HKG   07:50     BKK   09:35     330      C9 D9 J9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 T9 K9 S9 V9 W0
 -> TG     475     BKK   17:50     SYD   07:10 +1  744      F0 A0 P0 C9 D9 J9 Z5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 T9 K9 S9 V9 W9
TG         601     HKG   12:45     BKK   14:25     744      F4 A4 P3 C9 D9 J9 Z6 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q0 T0 K0 S0 V0 W0
 -> TG     475     BKK   17:50     SYD   07:10 +1  744      F0 A0 P0 C9 D9 J9 Z5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 T9 K9 S9 V9 W9
TG         629     HKG   15:00     BKK   16:45     777      C9 D9 J9 Z5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 T9 K9 S9 V9 W9
 -> TG     475     BKK   17:50     SYD   07:10 +1  744      F0 A0 P0 C9 D9 J9 Z5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 T9 K9 S9 V9 W9

 

[OATEK]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Thanks OATEK, yes apparently there was a sale on Y+ a little while ago.

I did not understand his part, "in W, every seat is allocated so the W3 suggests they are prepared to oversell". But there's no cost in trying and missing out is there?

The seat map in Expert Flyer shows every Premium Economy seat is allocated to a passenger. So W3 suggests they are prepared to sell 3 seats at PE rates, knowing that they will have to make room by having 3 people move to J. So my thinking is that a PE upgrade is less likely than a J upgrade. But as you say, no upgrade, no points lost.

 

[get me outta here]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

I have had no news yet for Y to J on QF 7 SYD-DFW 16 Oct.

And, QF8 29 Oct.

Would someone plse tell me if I'm dreaming?

 

[Ansett]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

I have had no news yet for Y to J on QF 7 SYD-DFW 16 Oct.

And, QF8 29 Oct.

Would someone plse tell me if I'm dreaming?

For the 16th QF 7

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]First:
[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 6 (at least)
[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Business:
[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)
[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Coach:
[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)
[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Other:
[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] n/a
[/TD]

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]Fare Classes:
[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]F/6 A/5 P/0
[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]J/9 C/9 D/9 I/4 U/0
[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]W/1 R/0 T/0 Z/0 Y/9 B/9 H/9 K/9 M/9 L/9 V/9 S/9 N/9 Q/9 O/9 G/0 X/0 E/0


[/TD]

And for the 29th QF8


Available Seats:

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]First:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Business:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Coach:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Other:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] n/a [/TD]

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]Fare Classes:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]F/9 A/9 P/0[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]J/9 C/8 D/1 I/0 U/0[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]W/0 R/0 T/0 Z/0 Y/9 B/9 H/9 K/9 M/9 L/9 V/9 S/9 N/9 Q/9 O/2 G/0 X/0 E/0[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"][/TD]

 

[KVS]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

I have had no news yet for Y to J on QF 7 SYD-DFW 16 Oct.

And, QF8 29 Oct.

[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.5/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]

SYD  Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY]
DFW  Dallas Metro / Dallas/Fort Worth TX US = DFW DAL [KDFW]
THU  16 Oct 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
QF         7       SYD   14:10     DFW   13:45     388      F6 A5 P0 J9 C9 D9 I4 U0 W1 R0 T0 Z0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G0 X0 E0

[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.5/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]

DFW  Dallas Metro / Dallas/Fort Worth TX US = DFW DAL [KDFW]
SYD  Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY]
WED  29 Oct 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
QF         8       DFW   21:10     SYD   06:05 +2  388      F9 A9 P0 J9 C8 D1 I0 U0 W0 R0 T0 Z0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O2 G0 X0 E0

 

[Mr_Orange]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

For the 16th QF 7

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]First:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 6 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Business:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Coach:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Other:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] n/a [/TD]

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]Fare Classes:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]F/6 A/5 P/0[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]J/9 C/9 D/9 I/4 U/0[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue, bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]W/1 R/0 T/0 Z/0 Y/9 B/9 H/9 K/9 M/9 L/9 V/9 S/9 N/9 Q/9 O/9 G/0 X/0 E/0

[/TD]

I'm no expert and it will depend on how many others there are, but I'd say you have a reasonable chance.

 

[get me outta here]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Thanks so much, 'reasonable' chance actually brought tears (of potential relief) to my eyes, and it's not even for me, but for the kid.

 

[serfty]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

... D9 I4 on QF7 is promising ... D1 I0 on QF8 not so ...

 

[get me outta here]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Serfty, would you be so kind as to translate that for me?

... D9 I4 on QF7 is promising ... D1 I0 on QF8 not so ...

 

[Princess Fiona]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Serfty, would you be so kind as to translate that for me?

It means there's a few business seats available for sale on QF 7 including deep discount which is the "I" fare and little to no business seats on QF 8 except one fare in a more expensive category "D"

 

[get me outta here]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Ok thanks for that, still hoping. Daughter's seat is 'K'. The bkg shows still on request.

On QF8 on 29 Oct, if that's the one that's quoted as most unlikely, perhaps I could change the request for PE instead of J(?)

It means there's a few business seats available for sale on QF 7 including deep discount which is the "I" fare and little to no business seats on QF 8 except one fare in a more expensive category "D"

 

[Mr_Orange]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Ok thanks for that, still hoping. Daughter's seat is 'K'. The bkg shows still on request.

On QF8 on 29 Oct, if that's the one that's quoted as most unlikely, perhaps I could change the request for PE instead of J(?)

I would leave it as a J request, but tick the fall back to PE option. Best of both worlds, IMO.

 

[bismarck]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Ok thanks for that, still hoping. Daughter's seat is 'K'. The bkg shows still on request.

On QF8 on 29 Oct, if that's the one that's quoted as most unlikely, perhaps I could change the request for PE instead of J(?)

Doesn't look like there's any PE left?

[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.5/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]

DFW  Dallas Metro / Dallas/Fort Worth TX US = DFW DAL [KDFW]
SYD  Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY]
WED  29 Oct 2014


Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
QF         8       DFW   21:10     SYD   06:05 +2  388      F9 A9 P0 J9 C9 D3 I0 U0 W0 R0 T0 Z0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O2 G0 X0 E0

 

[get me outta here]

Re: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Ok, I'll leave it as a J request as there was a PE seat sale a while ago so not surprised that none available. If she gets one 1 of 2 requests that ain't bad and she'll be thrilled - not a flat bed for a sleep on the way back, but that's life.

 

[5teve]

A bit early to tell for the return yet I would think. Good luck anyways.

Thanks all for helping me - we put the request in but still 8 days out so have not found out yet

I checked on flight stats and it is currently showing below so i hope some wriggle room comes up through cancellations in Business

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]First:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 2 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Business:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 0 [/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Coach:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] 9 (at least)[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Other:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue"] n/a [/TD]

[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"]Fare Classes:[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]F/2 A/0 P/0[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]J/0 C/0 D/0 I/0 U/0[/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsLabel, align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: availSeatsValue cabinValue"]W/0 R/0 T/0 Z/0 Y/9 B/9 H/9 K/6 M/4 L/0 V/0 S/0 N/0 Q/0 O/0 G/0 X/0 E/0[/TD]

 

[hossein_au]

Just wanted to report that:

I had a very cheap Y ticket QF9 on 10th of this month from MEL-DXB. As EF was showing a wide open flight (9+ in almost all classes), I asked for point upgrade to J. It came through 2-3 days before the flight... Yippie! I was in F Lounge in MEL when the lounge angel approached me and asked for my boarding pass. She then proceeded to hand me a boarding pass for seat 2F!! Double yippie, gone from a cheap Y to F.

I then checked EF, and it showed me a full F, only 1 seat in J and a couple in Y, but that was still a few hours before the flight so it must have a full house (I certainly did not see any vacant seat as I walked through the J cabin mid flight).

So, thank you, thank you, thank you Qantas. I am now much more inclined to book with Qantas again (some on here might recall that I have been becoming so disillusioned that I have not booked any Qantas flight recently beside a sole upcoming flight).

 

[Stoopidsteve]

Looks like Flightstats has lost the seat availability/fare bucket availability tool.

I wrote to Flightstats:

"Hi Steve,Thank you for contacting FlightStats Help Desk.
We just released some enhancements to FlightStats.com including user interface improvements to the mobile site. We also removed Flight Availability. We fund the free tools on the site with advertisements and occasionally add/remove features based on customer demand.
We appreciate your interest and thank you for choosing FlightStats."



Is KVS still working?

 

[serfty]

Sadly, that seems to be the case. Not sure about KVS.

 

[Mr_Orange]

Looks like Flightstats has lost the seat availability/fare bucket availability tool.

I wrote to Flightstats:

"Hi Steve,Thank you for contacting FlightStats Help Desk.
We just released some enhancements to FlightStats.com including user interface improvements to the mobile site. We also removed Flight Availability. We fund the free tools on the site with advertisements and occasionally add/remove features based on customer demand.
We appreciate your interest and thank you for choosing FlightStats."



Is KVS still working?

Sadly, that seems to be the case. Not sure about KVS.

Boo! Who on earth would have sent them feedback saying they wanted that removing? Are there any other free options for flight availability?