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Apologies but I get the impression the seat poacher is supported here.

It is up to the crew to deal with the situation and the victim shouldn't be inconvenienced. If the crew fails to deal with this simple situation then I am concerned for my welfare if something serious happens.

I don't necessarily link the two.

Seat poaching is not safety related. No doubt one of the questions is whether you delay the journey of 400+ others, including missing connections, for one passenger who's not happy about a seat change?
 
So you see this discussion is now going around in circles.

We should keep encouraging queue jumpers, seat thiefs and badly mannered people. They don't know any better and we need everyone to stick up for them?

If the crew are the authority then they need to deal with seat thieves quickly. No excuses for not dealing with them.

I'm actually going to agree with you here. Poor manners, seat thievery and queue jumping are not on. But it's not really our place to take the law into our own hands.
 
I am not condoning using physical force but what would you do?

Full flight and a person with a boarding pass for 74E is sitting in your allocated seat of 40C becaused it looked better when they were boarding. Your boarding pass has 40C. Their boarding pass shows 74E. Crew refuse to get involved. Do you get off and go on next flight? Do you keep your mouth shut and sit in 74E for this long haul flight? What if you're travelling with someone? Tough luck?

Well if you have checked luggage, threatening to offload may prompt more effort on the part of the crew ;)
Or it may not, and then you'd have to slink back to 74E I suppose.
 
Well if you have checked luggage, threatening to offload may prompt more effort on the part of the crew ;)
Or it may not, and then you'd have to slink back to 74E I suppose.

Offload yourself? In Dubai? Even locals back down to the ramifications of that.
 
JohnK, absolutely no-one I supporting the seat poacher. Go back to where this all started. The OP said he would physically eject the poacher from the seat. That's assault and is illegal. You can't do that.

What you do is get the crew to fix it.

The problem arises if the crew won't fix it, though I would find that almost impossible to imagine. Unless the poachee was being a douche about it.
 
I am not condoning using physical force but what would you do?

My advice and experience is you roll out your passive-aggressive side and stand near/by your allocated seat awaiting crew to sort it out.

Don't say dumb things or get physical, just remain standing by your allocated seat and that will force the crew to attend and resolve.

Most EK staff in my experience seek the easy way out and if you allow that by sitting in the other persons seat staff will do nothing about it.
 
I have vowed never to fly Emirates again due to a similar experience in Dubai. In fact it was two flights parked a VERY long way from the terminal (the incomeing from MEL and the outgoing to CDG). And the wait in the middle - two hours in a hot, dirty and very crowded terminal. That and the horror of a seven-hour flight with screaming babies that the parents were actually CAUSING (they wanted to be held - the parents wanted them to lie in the bassinet, and kept putting them back in them despite the screaming). I admit this is not the airline's fault, but the FAs were doing sweet FA to help the parents or encourage them to silence their little screamers. By the time we arrived in Europe I was so hysterical from lack of sleep (middle seat on a 777) that if there was any other way to get home from Europe, I would have jumped at it (can't afford QMII, sadly).

To top off that experience on the way back, we were given seats across the aisle from one another for the DXB-MEL leg by the checkin guy at Birmingham and he did not care. he told us to sort it in Dubai. The customer service desk at Dubai is on the other side of security (!) and they told us to speak to the gate agents, who didn't care and told us to try to get teh FAs to fix it. Now I ask you: if I was an Arab wife, would the airline have been happy to separate me from my husband in a plane full of strangers? No. Worse, once we'd managed a seat swap (with an elderly man who snored heavily for the entire flight, so thank god neither of us were next to him in the end) , a mother came down the aisle with the same problem - only this time she was FIFTEEN ROWS away from her THREE YEAR OLD daughter. In what airline's book is that acceptable? Even LCCs would fix that AT CHECKIN.

Never fly Emirates if you want to be treated as something other than cattle.
 
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I have never flown Emirates so this thread got my attention .When booking any seat it is made known that we do not have a certain guarantee of it .Sometimes people can be moved to be seated next to family,(booked late) seats unavailable to sit together ,but yes it should be done by the staff.Passengers taking matters into their own hands will cause problems from all sides .
In line with other comments ;some situations when OS in foreign lands are best to avoid.Calmness is needed and not putting yourself in situations, researching the culture and expectations, and even prejudice you may experience.

In all this what saddens me is the comment that the CEO can mesmerise with food and tv .If that's what flight has come to it's a shame . Qantas started as a mail delivery and flying doctors didn't it ? .I think the culture plane is creeping into airlines too much. Honestly as travellers we go to different parts of the world and the beaches mountains etc are all similar and they don't need flags symbols etc .Sand is sand whether it's in Saudi or Australia or Hawaii .

If safety and the set of rules and behaviour that are best for aviation are missing from an airline in favour of TV ,luxury ,food or different cultures then I will avoid most of them .
 
What on earth do you mean by that statement?
I cannot fathom at all why a passenger sitting in the wrong seat who happens to be sitting next to your wife would be sexually harassing her.
I can understand why you were upset about an uncomfortably hot bus journey and swollen ankles. Similarly I can also see why it would annoy you if someone queue jumped a long wait for the toilet or abused the check-in staff and hit your wife in the face with papers.

The hyperbole in what I have quoted above is astonishing IMO and it's the reason why you are struggling to be understood by the majority of those commenting here regarding your complaints.
If someone deliberately took your partner's seat next to you on a plane - you would be happy?
And you would be happy if your partner said " Oh well, the stewardess says I'll have to sit somewhere else"

Do we really inhabit the same planet?
Cheers,
Renato
 
I have vowed never to fly Emirates again due to a similar experience in Dubai. In fact it was two flights parked a VERY long way from the terminal (the incomeing from MEL and the outgoing to CDG). And the wait in the middle - two hours in a hot, dirty and very crowded terminal. That and the horror of a seven-hour flight with screaming babies that the parents were actually CAUSING (they wanted to be held - the parents wanted them to lie in the bassinet, and kept putting them back in them despite the screaming). I admit this is not the airline's fault, but the FAs were doing sweet FA to help the parents or encourage them to silence their little screamers. By the time we arrived in Europe I was so hysterical from lack of sleep (middle seat on a 777) that if there was any other way to get home from Europe, I would have jumped at it (can't afford QMII, sadly).

To top off that experience on the way back, we were given seats across the aisle from one another for the DXB-MEL leg by the checkin guy at Birmingham and he did not care. he told us to sort it in Dubai. The customer service desk at Dubai is on the other side of security (!) and they told us to speak to the gate agents, who didn't care and told us to try to get teh FAs to fix it. Now I ask you: if I was an Arab wife, would the airline have been happy to separate me from my husband in a plane full of strangers? No. Worse, once we'd managed a seat swap (with an elderly man who snored heavily for the entire flight, so thank god neither of us were next to him in the end) , a mother came down the aisle with the same problem - only this time she was FIFTEEN ROWS away from her THREE YEAR OLD daughter. In what airline's book is that acceptable? Even LCCs would fix that AT CHECKIN.

Never fly Emirates if you want to be treated as something other than cattle.
Wow - that was bad.
I can see why you would be most unhappy.

Anyhow, we have decided to fly to Europe with Qatar next year, though my travel agent said she experienced a 20 minute drive in a bus around Doha airport, similar to ours. If we do get lumbered with another long bus trip, at least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing that I'm paying hundreds of dollars less for the flights than would have been the case with Emirates.

We're also going to spend some days looking around Doha - should be amusing, not a single drop of alcohol in the place.
Regards,
Renato
 
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If someone deliberately took your partner's seat next to you on a plane - you would be happy?
And you would be happy if your partner said " Oh well, the stewardess says I'll have to sit somewhere else"

Do we really inhabit the same planet?
Cheers,
Renato

In answer to you questions
No I wouldn't be happy
No I wouldn't be happy to go sit elsewhere and I would bring it to the attention of the FAs.

I'm not sure that we inhabit the same planet as where I live I wouldn't assume that someone in the wrong seat would be sexually harassing my partner, and that was the point of my post which you appear to have missed.
 
Doha airport is new so the 30 minute bus rides have stopped - they were a feature of the old airport.

I love Qatar airways (but have only flown them in J). Three trips to Europe - ATH, BCN and WAW - all has been seemless.

The best thing is the menu - anything you want when you want. Much better than QF on the meal stakes.
 
If the crew won't move someone from your seat despite boarding passes, seems to me like you could happily waltz into business or first and take an empty (or technically, someone else's!) seat without repercussion.

Ha ha, yeah right.. mmmm.


I think the earlier point to simply wait in the aisle is good though, forcing the crew to take action. Though there's a chance that action might be to force you into some random seat, it seems less likely.
 
Interesting reading this thread and highlights 2 important take home messages proposed by 2 AFF members:

JB747: It does not matter who is right or wrong, aggressive and violent behaviour on a plane can lead to arrest, offloading and a report to local authorities.
Mel_Traveller: Irrespective of who is right or wrong, proper and/or legal remedies are limited for an aggrieved passenger while the aircraft door is closed. Self offloading can carry certain unintended and negative consequences.

Many others have similarly echoed the above.

However,
The root issue as I see it is inadequate or ineffective CONFLICT RESOLUTION. There is a way to resolve a conflict AND get what you want AND come out ahead in the "moral stakes". Taking a direct, in your face, aggressive, maybe even violent approach may sometimes work, but I believe there are better solutions.

I would suggest taking a course in Conflict Resolution - there is a good one run by the Australian Institute of Management. Im sure there are others.
https://www.aim.com.au/courses/conflict-resolution

In the interim, I think taking a " glass half full" rather than "glass empty" approach will put a lot of these issues in a different light. And influence people along the way!! And get what you want!!!
 
In answer to you questions
No I wouldn't be happy
No I wouldn't be happy to go sit elsewhere and I would bring it to the attention of the FAs.

I'm not sure that we inhabit the same planet as where I live I wouldn't assume that someone in the wrong seat would be sexually harassing my partner, and that was the point of my post which you appear to have missed.

I wrote,
"Similarly on a plane. If someone takes my seat next to my wife, I am not going to let my wife effectively be subjected to sexual harassment for the trip. It is just not going to happen."

You instead chose to read that as the case of some poor innocent chap accidently sitting next to my wife in the wrong seat, and for reasons unknown, refusing to move from that seat, and me being some kind of culturally insensitive type who sees sexual harrasment where there isn't any, and being totally unreasonable by suggesting that I would not accept that situation.

We inhabit different planets.
Regards,
Renato


Doha airport is new so the 30 minute bus rides have stopped - they were a feature of the old airport.

I love Qatar airways (but have only flown them in J). Three trips to Europe - ATH, BCN and WAW - all has been seemless.

The best thing is the menu - anything you want when you want. Much better than QF on the meal stakes.
Thanks very much for your feedback about Qatar.
I am now very much looking forward to the flight - as I'm sure my wife will be when I tell her your comments.
We just don't know anyone who's flown with Qatar.
Regards,
Renato
 
I wrote,
"Similarly on a plane. If someone takes my seat next to my wife, I am not going to let my wife effectively be subjected to sexual harassment for the trip. It is just not going to happen."

I'm just curious as to what constitutes sexual harassment of your wife?
 
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