Forced closing on window shades in J SIN-SYD day flight

[JohnK]

I am amused (almost) by the posters who believe that because they are sitting closest to the window that they can decide if the blind should be up or down.

So whose decision is it? The person who can't sleep? The person who can't see the IFE? The person sitting by the window?

This is similar to the reclining in economy debate. I can't sleep and I can't watch the IFE if the person in front reclines. Do I have any rights? If I am in the window seat you do not decide if my shade is up or down. And yes I will listen to logical requests and "I can't sleep because it is too bright" is not one of them....

 

[UP4014]

So whose decision is it? The person who can't sleep? The person who can't see the IFE? The person sitting by the window?

Have to agree with Johnk in regards to smackbum's comments.

I choose not to sit by the window normally, and can't remember ever having a problem nodding off if the shade is up.

I've been on planes without shades at all, how would smackbum cope with that one.

Shades up or shades down, he who has the window can do what they like, as long as the requests are polite there won't be any problems.

 

[Alanslegal]

Just be careful-the recipient of your endeavours may just have greater supplies of noxious gas than you
....
And kindly remember your attitude might just p*ss me off as much as mine does yours.Let us just accept our differences.nothing i have read here convinces me that the shade down people have any more moral rights to their attitudes than those of us who like shades up on DAYLIGHT flights with no significant time zone changes.

Yeah and the leaving the window shade open (when the entire plane has theirs closed) would also p*ss me off too (esp. if I was sitting close to that open window that is)

But seriously though, I know some here would like to argue that it is their 'legal' right to control the shades because they sit closest to the window but whatever is legally within their right or not - that's not my issue. I think tuapekastar's post would be most appropriate in those circumstance where a bit of common courtesy goes a long long way (eg. when the entire plane has their shades down - it would help if the last one opening was down too). I guess my post shouldn't have been taken too seriously, as I would very unlikely do the things I said such as go running around, stretching, laughing, passing wind etc to annoy that person [even though I could argue it is definitely within my legal right to do so.]

That said, if I could see it was having a specific adverse effect on a neighbouring pax (making IFE unwatchable, that sort of thing, but not including someone who 'just wanted to sleep') then I would take whatever actions necessary to alleviate the situation, be it closing the blind or whatever.

 

[drron]

I am amused (almost) by the posters who believe that because they are sitting closest to the window that they can decide if the blind should be up or down. Sort of like me deciding whether anybody else is allowed to use "my" aisle. It is the property of the airline and their staff will determine how they are to be used (whilst obeying regulations for take-offs and landings, of course).

I suspect there are some deep-rooted insecurities at the heart of this, but let's not get into pop-psychology about the habits of some pax. That would be a Pandora's Box of issues.

So you believe the FA should say whether you can recline your seat or not-like shades they also have to be up at take off or landing and are the airlines property.

 

[blueflamenco]

To me it boils down to being considerate of others or simply thinking about yourself.

"It's MY window shade" and "I should get to choose" just don't cut it.

 

[under the radar]

Yesterday I did SIN-SYD in J on the A380. This is a day flight. It leaves SIN in the morning and arrives SYD at night, yet I was 'not allowed' to leave my window shade open during the flight as it would 'disturb other passengers':evil:. I had one window shade open of the four adjacent to my skybed, which I was 'forced' to close.

In my experience, the only way to survive jetlag is to work on the destination time zone, therefore one should sleep on LHR-SIN and try to stay awake SIN-SYD. Opening the window in order to stimulate the brain into thinking it is day time - which it was - is a good technique for this. The seat lights simply aren't bright enough to do the job.

I would like to know other's opinions on 'forced shade closures'. I realise I will probably get flamed by those who just want to sleep on every flight... I must reiterate I am talking about J here - not whY. Perhaps I'm the only one with this gripe...?:shock:

cabin crew should not force shades down at any time... BUT pax also need to accept some responsibilty and be aware of those around them!!!! everyone is on the aircraft for different reasons...ITS NOT A PERFECT WORLD.. .. think about the situation if it were reversed!!! im sick of people being so self centered....

 

[JohnK]

To me it boils down to being considerate of others or simply thinking about yourself.

"It's MY window shade" and "I should get to choose" just don't cut it.

We are all different and most of us are selfish. Asking people to be considerate is asking for a little too much.

Why are window shades any different to recliners or overhead bin space? If people use the argument that the seat reclines so they can recline if they want then the same should apply to window shades. I can understand if someone is not able to watch the IFE but not being able to sleep is another story.

In my opinion the views over the Alps and then down the Adriatic and Greek coasts is spectacular. I should be able to view these and not have someone tell me to put my window shade down.

 

[UP4014]

We are all different and most of us are selfish. Asking people to be considerate is asking for a little too much.

Why are window shades any different to recliners or overhead bin space? If people use the argument that the seat reclines so they can recline if they want then the same should apply to window shades. I can understand if someone is not able to watch the IFE but not being able to sleep is another story.

In my opinion the views over the Alps and then down the Adriatic and Greek coasts is spectacular. I should be able to view these and not have someone tell me to put my window shade down.

Right behind you JohnK.

Matt

 

[blueflamenco]

We are all different and most of us are selfish. Asking people to be considerate is asking for a little too much.

Why are window shades any different to recliners or overhead bin space? If people use the argument that the seat reclines so they can recline if they want then the same should apply to window shades. I can understand if someone is not able to watch the IFE but not being able to sleep is another story.

In my opinion the views over the Alps and then down the Adriatic and Greek coasts is spectacular. I should be able to view these and not have someone tell me to put my window shade down.

I don't think asking people to be considerate of others is too much to ask.

Whether it means the shade up or down or half up or whatever it may be.. I think you judge that when your in your seat and you make a decision that isn't based solely around what you want or believe you are entitled to.

 

[jaffa]

Thats the problem with life you never get everything you want

 

[JohnK]

I don't think asking people to be considerate of others is too much to ask.

I think most people I meet on planes fit my description accurately.

Whether it means the shade up or down or half up or whatever it may be.. I think you judge that when your in your seat and you make a decision that isn't based solely around what you want or believe you are entitled to.

I think you misunderstand me.

Trying not to repeat myself but I feel the same way about people sitting in front of me in economy and reclining because the seat can recline and not thinking how it will impact me.

Or the person from 2 rows back putting 2 or more items in the overhead bin above my seat and me having to look for space in overhead bins in front of my seat. It is not my problem that the person behind them used the overhead bin above them and so on and so on. The overhead bin above 23JK on a 767 can easily fit 3/4 items yet I have to look for space above 5F in business class. This happens more often than not on my weekly commutes....

 

[blueflamenco]

So, because you feel like other travelers are not considerate, you choose to be inconsiderate too? Or choose to exercise your "rights" without taking into account how other people may be affected.

 

[drron]

So, because you feel like other travelers are not considerate, you choose to be inconsiderate too? Or choose to exercise your "rights" without taking into account how other people may be affected.

Lets turn your question around.I want to watch a movie so I want johnK to put his shade down.JohnK wants to see the coastline of greece which is why he has selected a window seat so he wants the shade up.Who is selfish and inconsiderate?

 

[blueflamenco]

Lets turn your question around.I want to watch a movie so I want johnK to put his shade down.JohnK wants to see the coastline of greece which is why he has selected a window seat so he wants the shade up.Who is selfish and inconsiderate?

In this case a compromise would be the most considerate option?

I don't believe there is a one size fits all answer to the shade dilemma or anything else. I just think ideally your actions shouldn't be based solely on what you want and you should at least make an effort to accommodate others.

Note I never said JohnK was inconsiderate or selfish.

 

[straitman]

Lets turn your question around.I want to watch a movie so I want johnK to put his shade down.JohnK wants to see the coastline of greece which is why he has selected a window seat so he wants the shade up.Who is selfish and inconsiderate?

In this case a compromise would be the most considerate option?

I don't believe there is a one size fits all answer to the shade dilemma or anything else. I just think ideally your actions shouldn't be based solely on what you want and you should at least make an effort to accommodate others.

Note I never said JohnK was inconsiderate or selfish.

To take this to the opposite (silly) extreme. If drron and JohnK both are totally considerate of the other then neither ends up happy.

As blueflamenco points out there is not a one size fits all answer to the shade dilemma or anything else.

 

[JohnK]

So, because you feel like other travelers are not considerate, you choose to be inconsiderate too? Or choose to exercise your "rights" without taking into account how other people may be affected.

Hmmm. I guess this comment is not aimed at me directly but just happens to follow my post.

I am actually a very considerate person and because of it people try to take advantage of it. I always try to help out where possible. I am sticking to my original statement even though I can see there will never be an easy answer as long as selfish people use public transport.

 

[blueflamenco]

I'm sorry JohnK, I wasn't saying that you are an inconsiderate person.

I had meant it to be a question following what you had said in your last post about other people taking up overhead space etc and in a prior post where you said being considerate is too much to ask of people.

Well, even if people try to take advantage of your kindness at least you can sleep easy knowing you did your best.

 

[jaffa]

I still don't understand the issue here....if you don't want to be bothered by the window, why don't you just choose a window seat and keep the thing closed. Then it will never bother you.

it is my experience that people want it all!
they choose the aisle for the extra arm space when the aisle is clear, and for a quick getaway or easy access up and down, but at the same time they want control of the window as well, and to dictate to people about there seat recline, plus they want the armrests (usually both of them).

The choice of any seat comes with advantages and disadvantages. That's why there is a choice. Whats more important to you? the Aisle or the window and why......

You can't have it all!
other people do have a choice as well.
If you do want it all, then buy the whole row and be done with it.

I don't always choose a window. it depends on the flight, location, time ect.... but if l do choose a window its for a reason and l will use it. I'm glad my FF status gives me that better choice.

At the end of the day, this is just public transport. If you want to sleep or work on your laptop or whatever then choose the appropriate seat for what you want to do.
guilting people out of using the benefits of their seat or its position, just because you don't plan your seat choice better is just plain selfish.

The airlines only promise to get you from A to B, we are lucky to get a feed, watch a movie, or to have power to the seat in the first place.

Some people can be far to precious.

 

[Hvr]

Lets turn your question around.I want to watch a movie so I want johnK to put his shade down.JohnK wants to see the coastline of greece which is why he has selected a window seat so he wants the shade up.Who is selfish and inconsiderate?

Actually I think this one would be fairly easy to resolve. drron asks nicely if the window could please be lowered so he can watch a movie. JohnK explains that he is watching the coast of Greece and that in 30 minutes (SWAG) the plane will be out of view of said coast and he will happily lower the window.

Both parties have compromised and achieved their desired goals.

 

[11sjw]

JohnK, you must be one big/tall/large person. I'm 6'2" (90kg, yes I know my BMI is >25, I'm working on it!! ) and have never had an issue with the seat back screen in Y with a reclined seat.