FWA: Some reduction in Sunday/PH rates for some Industries

[get me outta here]

Now that the Fair Work Commission has reduced Sunday penalty rates for the hospitality, retail and fast food sectors, it will be interesting to see if prices are lowered, or if more people get a job.

 

[Hvr]

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Now that the Fair Work Commission has reduced Sunday penalty rates for the hospitality, retail and fast food sectors, it will be interesting to see if prices are lowered, or if more people get a job.

I'll suggest that neither will happen.

 

[mushez]

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Now that the Fair Work Commission has reduced Sunday penalty rates for the hospitality, retail and fast food sectors, it will be interesting to see if prices are lowered, or if more people get a job.

Neither will happen, what will happen is more places will open, resulting is fewer people for all places that are open overall - and landlords increase rents because they can trade more, which in turn forces them to not be in a position to afford not opening on Sunday's

 

[whatmeworry]

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So if your in the hospitality, retail, pharmac_ and fast food sectors, your now deemed a second class citizen... Emergency workers your next.

 

[Denali]

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Is home ownership possible based on a service/retail job? Maybe a second job for extra cash but not as your main household income.

My first thought was students. One of my coworkers has a great kid who works as a waitress to help pay for her uni/living ect and thats with her dads help.

 

[Moindardt]

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So if your in the hospitality, retail, pharmac_ and fast food sectors, your now deemed a second class citizen... Emergency workers your next.

Just watched part of the ridiculous Bill Shorten press conference and he has some guy there saying he is losing $109 because of the cuts. Given that it is from double time to time and a half, that means he normally earns $436 on a Sunday. How about we do some basic maths people and understand why the country is going broke. Oh and he pays almost no tax.

Lets try and look at the real amounts of tax paid by people and tell the truth for a change.

 

[Pushka]

The totally off-topic thread

I'm not sure about elsewhere but the deals done with penalty rates in the restaurant industry in SA were so high that businesses closed on days when they should have been open like PH. They just couldn't afford it. So no one worked. Lose lose. Such is the situation when the Shoppies Union controls who is appointed Premier. As head of that Union Malinauskas was the one who sent previous Premier Rann on his bike. Malinauskas is now in state politics and 12 months ago moved into a safe Labor seat and now surprisingly (not) that member has resigned from the next election leaving Malinauskas in a pretty position to become Premier eventually.

 

[Moindardt]

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Now lets talk about the real issue with overtime, which is the SDA doing enterprise bargaining agreements with companies like McDonalds, which traded away the overtime in return for everyone having to become a union member. Where is Bill Shorten on that one?

Love it how the truth never gets in the way of a good story!

 

[Simo]

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I hope businesses take away the surcharge for Sunday's and also or is it a business gouge for the store owners.

 

[Moindardt]

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I hope businesses take away the surcharge for Sunday's and also or is it a business gouge for the store owners.

They still have to pay time and a half to staff as well as many owners have to work the weekends as well as during the week. Should talk to some administrators/liquidators at how many people think it is so easy to run a business and go bankrupt.

There is a reason the unions don't run businesses themselves. Ever wondered why the building union doesn't build things themselves instead abusing greedy builders??

 

[JessicaTam]

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Now lets talk about the real issue with overtime, which is the SDA doing enterprise bargaining agreements with companies like McDonalds, which traded away the overtime in return for everyone having to become a union member. Where is Bill Shorten on that one?

Love it how the truth never gets in the way of a good story!

Do you have a source for that claim? Not that I am a fan of the SDA, just that I have not heard of compulsory unionism for ages.

 

[Moindardt]

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Do you have a source for that claim? Not that I am a fan of the SDA, just that I have not heard of compulsory unionism for ages.

I don't believe there is anything in writing to say "compulsory" but if you ask anyone who has started with McDonald's, they will tell you it is made pretty clear it is not an option. McDonalds makes it very clear to everyone, including the press, that the FDA is their partner in this and they are working together. There was a number of presentations to FWA regarding the "understanding" between McDonalds and SDA. I did have some details when we working through some FWA stuff for a client. There was a lot of complaints at an ALP conference because the McDonald/Woolies/Coles deals and their compulsory membership gave them a huge increase in numbers and that votes in the ALP were at a ration of union numbers.


43 Union Membership
43.1. The Employer will invite the SDA to attend Crew Meetings. The invitation will begiven to the SDA at the earliest possible time so as to enable the SDA to attend theCrew Meetings. The parties agree that fifteen minutes shall be reasonable time forthe SDA to address employees.43.2. The Employer will invite the SDA to attend the Induction of new employees. Theinvitation will be given to the SDA at the earliest possible time so as to enable theSDA to attend the Inductions. The parties agree that fifteen minutes shall bereasonable time for the SDA to address employees. All new employees covered bythis Agreement shall, upon induction, be given access to an application form andany other appropriate literature to assist employees to decide whether to join theSDA.43.3. The Employer undertakes, upon authorisation by the employee, to deduct SDAmembership dues, as levied by the SDA in accordance with its rules, from the payof employees who are members of the SDA. Such monies collected shall beforwarded to the SDA at the beginning of each month, together with the necessaryinformation to enable the reconciliation of the crediting of subscriptions to members'accounts.

 

[Moindardt]

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"Age of entitlement" is only for politicians and their friends. Ans obviously now not for Sunday workers!

Actually I think most people who agree time and a half is reasonable compensation. No overtime is not and double time is too much. Since standardised trading hours have come in, there is no difference between Saturday and Sunday so there is no reason for the excessive punishment on businesses. To have a shop in a major shopping centre, it is pretty common to have it in the lease that they have to be open whenever the shopping centre is open.

Yes, the good old politicians. Nocookies | The Australian

 

[Steady]

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I don't believe there is anything in writing to say "compulsory" but if you ask anyone who has started with McDonald's, they will tell you it is made pretty clear it is not an option. McDonalds makes it very clear to everyone, including the press, that the FDA is their partner in this and they are working together. There was a number of presentations to FWA regarding the "understanding" between McDonalds and SDA. I did have some details when we working through some FWA stuff for a client. There was a lot of complaints at an ALP conference because the McDonald/Woolies/Coles deals and their compulsory membership gave them a huge increase in numbers and that votes in the ALP were at a ration of union numbers.


43 Union Membership
43.1. The Employer will invite the SDA to attend Crew Meetings. The invitation will begiven to the SDA at the earliest possible time so as to enable the SDA to attend theCrew Meetings. The parties agree that fifteen minutes shall be reasonable time forthe SDA to address employees.43.2. The Employer will invite the SDA to attend the Induction of new employees. Theinvitation will be given to the SDA at the earliest possible time so as to enable theSDA to attend the Inductions. The parties agree that fifteen minutes shall bereasonable time for the SDA to address employees. All new employees covered bythis Agreement shall, upon induction, be given access to an application form andany other appropriate literature to assist employees to decide whether to join theSDA.43.3. The Employer undertakes, upon authorisation by the employee, to deduct SDAmembership dues, as levied by the SDA in accordance with its rules, from the payof employees who are members of the SDA. Such monies collected shall beforwarded to the SDA at the beginning of each month, together with the necessaryinformation to enable the reconciliation of the crediting of subscriptions to members'accounts.

This extract is from a national eba?

 

[Moindardt]

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This extract is from a national eba?

From the McDonalds one.

 

[whatmeworry]

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I hope businesses take away the surcharge for Sunday's and also or is it a business gouge for the store owners.

Why just the surcharge? Why not a reduction of all prices on the menu?

Have they calculated the tax hit on the budget?

 

[JessicaTam]

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I don't believe there is anything in writing to say "compulsory" but if you ask anyone who has started with McDonald's, they will tell you it is made pretty clear it is not an option. McDonalds makes it very clear to everyone, including the press, that the FDA is their partner in this and they are working together. There was a number of presentations to FWA regarding the "understanding" between McDonalds and SDA. I did have some details when we working through some FWA stuff for a client. There was a lot of complaints at an ALP conference because the McDonald/Woolies/Coles deals and their compulsory membership gave them a huge increase in numbers and that votes in the ALP were at a ration of union numbers.


43 Union Membership
43.1. The Employer will invite the SDA to attend Crew Meetings. The invitation will begiven to the SDA at the earliest possible time so as to enable the SDA to attend theCrew Meetings. The parties agree that fifteen minutes shall be reasonable time forthe SDA to address employees.43.2. The Employer will invite the SDA to attend the Induction of new employees. Theinvitation will be given to the SDA at the earliest possible time so as to enable theSDA to attend the Inductions. The parties agree that fifteen minutes shall bereasonable time for the SDA to address employees. All new employees covered bythis Agreement shall, upon induction, be given access to an application form andany other appropriate literature to assist employees to decide whether to join theSDA.43.3. The Employer undertakes, upon authorisation by the employee, to deduct SDAmembership dues, as levied by the SDA in accordance with its rules, from the payof employees who are members of the SDA. Such monies collected shall beforwarded to the SDA at the beginning of each month, together with the necessaryinformation to enable the reconciliation of the crediting of subscriptions to members'accounts.

Thanks for that. I was aware of the Coles deal, which I believe failed the BOOT test. Still haven't heard if that has been resolved in the employees favour yet.

 

[whatmeworry]

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I don't believe there is anything in writing to say "compulsory" but if you ask anyone who has started with McDonald's, they will tell you it is made pretty clear it is not an option. McDonalds makes it very clear to everyone, including the press, that the FDA is their partner in this and they are working together. There was a number of presentations to FWA regarding the "understanding" between McDonalds and SDA. I did have some details when we working through some FWA stuff for a client. There was a lot of complaints at an ALP conference because the McDonald/Woolies/Coles deals and their compulsory membership gave them a huge increase in numbers and that votes in the ALP were at a ration of union numbers.


43 Union Membership
43.1. The Employer will invite the SDA to attend Crew Meetings. The invitation will begiven to the SDA at the earliest possible time so as to enable the SDA to attend theCrew Meetings. The parties agree that fifteen minutes shall be reasonable time forthe SDA to address employees.43.2. The Employer will invite the SDA to attend the Induction of new employees. Theinvitation will be given to the SDA at the earliest possible time so as to enable theSDA to attend the Inductions. The parties agree that fifteen minutes shall bereasonable time for the SDA to address employees. All new employees covered bythis Agreement shall, upon induction, be given access to an application form andany other appropriate literature to assist employees to decide whether to join theSDA.43.3. The Employer undertakes, upon authorisation by the employee, to deduct SDAmembership dues, as levied by the SDA in accordance with its rules, from the payof employees who are members of the SDA. Such monies collected shall beforwarded to the SDA at the beginning of each month, together with the necessaryinformation to enable the reconciliation of the crediting of subscriptions to members'accounts.

So you just <redacted> about the 'compulsory' bit to help fit your narrative.

Actually I think most people who agree time and a half is reasonable compensation. No overtime is not and double time is too much. Since standardised trading hours have come in, there is no difference between Saturday and Sunday so there is no reason for the excessive punishment on businesses. To have a shop in a major shopping centre, it is pretty common to have it in the lease that they have to be open whenever the shopping centre is open.

Yes, the good old politicians. Nocookies | The Australian

So how do you know what is adequate compensation for someone working Sunday? What are these standardised hours you talk about? My local politicians are closed on weekends and public holidays. Do your children go to school on weekends? How many childcare centres are open on weekends? If I don't have a car, will public transport get me there. Will I have to wait half an hour to hour for a bus or train? Will I be able to get public transport after 9PM?

Businesses contracted to be open 7 days a week, then should know what their costs are. If not, they shouldn't be in business.

Which working group is next?

 

[froggerADL]

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Now that the Fair Work Commission has reduced Sunday penalty rates for the hospitality, retail and fast food sectors, it will be interesting to see if prices are lowered, or if more people get a job.

I wish I could get my employer to reduce my hourly rate so that they can afford to give me more hours. NOT.

 

[froggerADL]

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Now lets talk about the real issue with overtime, which is the SDA doing enterprise bargaining agreements with companies like McDonalds, which traded away the overtime in return for everyone having to become a union member. Where is Bill Shorten on that one?

Love it how the truth never gets in the way of a good story!

Requiring someone to be a union member would be a breach of the Fair Work Act. But as you say, never let the truth get in the way of a good story.