General Coronavirus chit chat thread - non-travel specific

[Flying mermaid]

Wasn’t sure about this one so I did a “phone a friend”

There is little consensus as to the cause of stroke in the younger ICU population with Covid. They don’t have the usual diseased arteries of the older population.
There are theories: cytokines storm or a pro inflammatory statements being one of them, other include an increased tendency for blood clots to form, another is injury of the blood vessel walls by the virus.

Each treatment is different including antivirals, anti clotting, anti inflammatory (anticytokines or steroi_s).

I get that people want to hold on to whatever morsel of good news there is. But I would caution that a lot of “news” are not based on robust analyses.

I am in the who cares category. I don’t want depressing facts I prefer to believe outcomes are better. And I still believe they are......

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

For those with overseas family friends taking Pfizer, still need to stay safe for a while after first (and second) dose

Emergency nurse tests positive for COVID-19 eight days after vaccination

An emergency nurse in the United States has tested positive for COVID-19 just eight days after getting the vaccine.

www.news.com.au

 

[drron]

We still have the problem that the media are still accentuating the negatives.So a monthe ago it was all about the record numbers of new cases in the USA.This month it is all about the record hospital admissions in the USA.They just leave out the part that it appears new cases are levelling out and appear to be starting to drop.

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Then all the headlines about new variant cases-1 appears here,2 in another state,4 in cCnada etc.Plus the speculation about how infective it is and whether the vaccines will still work when there still is a lot more work to be done.Here is the BMJ summary from last week.

Covid-19: What have we learnt about the new variant in the UK?

The new SARS-CoV-2 variant has evoked scenes reminiscent of the early days of covid-19 when much of the world banned travel to and from Wuhan, China. With large parts of south-east England locked down, Elisabeth Mahase looks at what we know so far Yes, according to a review of the current...

www.bmj.com

 

[Happy Trails]

For those with overseas family friends taking Pfizer, still need to stay safe for a while after first (and second) dose

Emergency nurse tests positive for COVID-19 eight days after vaccination

An emergency nurse in the United States has tested positive for COVID-19 just eight days after getting the vaccine.

www.news.com.au

Same happened to my (UK doctor) nephew last week, four days after the first jab.

 

[Pushka]

For those with overseas family friends taking Pfizer, still need to stay safe for a while after first (and second) dose

Emergency nurse tests positive for COVID-19 eight days after vaccination

An emergency nurse in the United States has tested positive for COVID-19 just eight days after getting the vaccine.

www.news.com.au

It takes over a week to form antibodies so this isn't a surprising find.

 

[drron]

It takes over a week to form antibodies so this isn't a surprising find.

Though I have posted before the link where full protection with the Pfizer vaccine kicks in at about the 28 day mark.
Of course these cases Bring back the OTP press reporting about the effects of the vaccine.

The coronavirus vaccine made by Pfizer and BioNTech provides strong protection against Covid-19 within about 10 days of the first dose, according to documents published on Tuesday by the Food and Drug Administration before a meeting of its vaccine advisory group.

The finding is one of several significant new results featured in the briefing materials, which include more than 100 pages of data analyses from the agency and from Pfizer. Last month, Pfizer and BioNTech announced that their two-dose vaccine had an efficacy rate of 95 percent after two doses administered three weeks apart. The new analyses show that the protection starts kicking in far earlier.

Pfizer’s Vaccine Offers Strong Protection After First Dose (Published 2020)

The Food and Drug Administration’s first analysis of the clinical trial data also found that the coronavirus vaccine worked well regardless of a volunteer’s race, weight or age.

www.nytimes.com

Of course further down the article is a bit different piece of evidence.

The efficacy of the vaccine after the first dose is about 52 percent, according to Dr. William C. Gruber, senior vice president of Pfizer Vaccine Clinical Research and Development. After the second dose, that rises to about 95 percent. “Two doses of vaccine provide maximum protection,” he said.

 

[Flashback]

More of England has gone into Tier 4. No announcement made today on a new Tier 5, so guess we'll see what happens in the new year. Pretty much most of England now in 'lockdown'. I guess we call this one lockdown 3.0? I don't know, I've lost count

Extremely busy at work with all that's going on, so thankfully don't have too much time to sit and think about it. Trying to be cheery about it all but as you'll have noticed from most of my posts over the last few weeks...... it's a bit of a struggle! Perhaps some self-isolation from AFF (and online forums, news etc. in general) is required.

 

[Flying mermaid]

More of England has gone into Tier 4. No announcement made today on a new Tier 5, so guess we'll see what happens in the new year. Pretty much most of England now in 'lockdown'. I guess we call this one lockdown 3.0? I don't know, I've lost count

Extremely busy at work with all that's going on, so thankfully don't have too much time to sit and think about it. Trying to be cheery about it all but as you'll have noticed from most of my posts over the last few weeks...... it's a bit of a struggle! Perhaps some self-isolation from AFF (and online forums, news etc. in general) is required.

I noticed that, which was why I was trying to be positive and supportive until people with no ability to read an emotional situation leapt in with all sorts of depressing arguments. Just hang in and it will get better as the vaccines take effect and Spring arrives.

 

[Flashback]

I noticed that, which was why I was trying to be positive and supportive until people with no ability to read an emotional situation leapt in with all sorts of depressing arguments. Just hang in and it will get better as the vaccines take effect and Spring arrives.

Lockdown 1.0 I got through .... not very well. Lockdown 2.0 I absolutely killed it, came out very positive. This one, not so much. The main difference between the 3 is that 1 and 3 were....... undated (no known end) whereas 2.0 had a specific start/end. Maybe that's it? Or maybe it's just the time of year. Who knows. Gotta get back into that regular exercise and positive thinking!

 

[Flying mermaid]

Lockdown 1.0 I got through .... not very well. Lockdown 2.0 I absolutely killed it, came out very positive. This one, not so much. The main difference between the 3 is that 1 and 3 were....... undated (no known end) whereas 2.0 had a specific start/end. Maybe that's it? Or maybe it's just the time of year. Who knows. Gotta get back into that regular exercise and positive thinking!

Definitely exercise helps and I very much believe this is the final stretch. UK is going to be using Oxford as well as Pfizer vaccines and looking to vaccine 2 million per week. The current lockdown will put a damper on the outbreak and between that and the vaccines I just don’t see this lockdown being as bad as lockdown 1. Just keep looking forward to the Spring - which you have to do in England anyway! You are through the winter solstice, so those days are getting longer

 

[Flashback]

Definitely exercise helps and I very much believe this is the final stretch. UK is going to be using Oxford as well as Pfizer vaccines and looking to vaccine 2 million per week. The current lockdown will put a damper on the outbreak and between that and the vaccines I just don’t see this lockdown being as bad as lockdown 1. Just keep looking forward to the Spring - which you have to do in England anyway! You are through the winter solstice, so those days are getting longer

Indeed, sunset was after 4pk today! No one is following the rules so Lockdown or not I doubt we'll see the fall as much as lockdown 1. They're complaining about hospital beds yet there is no sign of the Nightingale hospital being spun into action that I'm aware of ... It would be good if they could accelerate vaccination numbers, at last count I think we were approaching 650,000 people vaccinated (or on their first round) and that's taken 3 weeks. The US is progressing much quicker but I guess they have more local supply.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Indeed, sunset was after 4pk today! No one is following the rules so Lockdown or not I doubt we'll see the fall as much as lockdown 1. They're complaining about hospital beds yet there is no sign of the Nightingale hospital being spun into action that I'm aware of ... It would be good if they could accelerate vaccination numbers, at last count I think we were approaching 650,000 people vaccinated (or on their first round) and that's taken 3 weeks. The US is progressing much quicker but I guess they have more local supply.

Now that they are starting to use the Oxford vaccine I think you will see it speed up - much easier to deal with.

I just saw a thing on the vaccinations in Florida, where they had a very limited supply but told people just to turn up, no appointments, so they had people queuing from 1am just to be sure they could get it

 

[Quickstatus]

people with no ability to read an emotional situation leapt in with all sorts of depressing arguments

Well Im sorry and unintended to cause distress.
Just posting what Im seeing from my point of view.
Sorry again if it is not acceptable to post factual comments

I wont post here again
Goodbye.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Well Im sorry and unintended to cause distress.
Just posting what Im seeing from my point of view.
Sorry again if it is not acceptable
I wont post here again
Goodbye.

I am sorry - didn’t mean to be so harsh. Your technical expertise is often very valuable .

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Sad news for us Gilligan Island fans which was part of my early childhood years.

Dawn Wells, Mary Ann on 'Gilligan's Island,' dies of Covid-19 at 82

The actor also appeared in "77 Sunset Strip," "Maverick," "Bonanza," "The Joey Bishop Show" and "Hawaiian Eye."

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Princess Fiona]

This is a well written article about the Australian perspective.
BMJ Australia’s Lucky Escape from Covid-19

Wishing all of the AFFers @Flashback and others and their families all the best for next year.
There is some light at the end of the tunnel

 

[Pushka]

Definitely exercise helps and I very much believe this is the final stretch. UK is going to be using Oxford as well as Pfizer vaccines and looking to vaccine 2 million per week. The current lockdown will put a damper on the outbreak and between that and the vaccines I just don’t see this lockdown being as bad as lockdown 1. Just keep looking forward to the Spring - which you have to do in England anyway! You are through the winter solstice, so those days are getting longer

The Oxford vaccine is rolling out Monday in UK with the plan to have everyone vaccinated by their Spring. My Aunt and Uncle in the UK, in their nineties, living in Oxford have had both immunisations done now. No side effects at all. They feel blessed.

 

[RooFlyer]

We still have the problem that the media are still accentuating the negatives.So a monthe ago it was all about the record numbers of new cases in the USA.This month it is all about the record hospital admissions in the USA.They just leave out the part that it appears new cases are levelling out and appear to be starting to drop.

Yes, I have stopped watching all TV news, or at least the first 10-15 mins. There are abt 200 countries in the world, every day there will be a record number of daily cases, record number of deaths, record number of hospitalisations in one country, or state or the other that's breathlessly reported. I suspect the reporting on the USA will change in tone next month .

On a different tack, I never listen to Premiers' press conferences, but did for Premier Berejiklian yesterday, as I was in my car in an area where there was only ABC News Radio clear. I wonder if she is like that every time? Her opening statement was very long, complex and what I could tell was the new information got buried in ultra detail and endless platitudes about how NSW people are doing the right thing etc. And her rising inflection at the end of many sentences got really irritating. Her answers to questions were similarly full of platitudes interspersed with what seemed to be the answer to the question.

 

[DC3]

The Oxford vaccine is rolling out Monday in UK with the plan to have everyone vaccinated by their Spring. My Aunt and Uncle in the UK, in their nineties, living in Oxford have had both immunisations done now. No side effects at all. They feel blessed.

At least there’s an increasing number of countries rolling out the vax. Wish we were in the same boat.

 

[DC3]

Countries that have already started administering vaccinations include Argentina, Belgium, Belarus, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Israel, Italy, Kuwait, Malta, Mexico, Oman, Poland, Qatar, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Slovakia, Spain, Switzerland, UAE, UK and USA. Includes Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, Sputnik V and Sinopharm (also, Oxford from next week in the UK).