General Coronavirus chit chat thread - non-travel specific

[tgh]

This is nothing new, breaking in young engineers became fun once the crew stopped being offended by the uppity attitude.
They are sent out into the field with the piece of paper and nothing else, they make fools of themselves and entertain the old hands.
Some fail to cope and find comfort in working for government, thankfully some pay attention and end up commercially useful./

 

[RooFlyer]

I think he’s right to a degree.

But I’d disagree regarding science and research undertaken in the private sector. A lot of science happens in the private sector which does not involve publication nor the traditional peer review process. in my experience (private sector) is that publication of research is only done to try to establish credibility.

Unfortunately though, many in the community don’t trust private science, and see universities and peer review as the gold standard. Often (not always) private companies expect and demand a lot of rigour from their in house scientists as there is usually a lot at stake (sales, litigation, investor perceptions etc).

I'll give you an example of this. My first employer, WMC, encouraged its geologists to approach their work 'with science' - not just observe, sample and test (with the objective of finding orebodies), but put forward various geology ideas, test them out, even if not directly related to the project at hand or with any economic objective. Kick 'academic' ideas around around the campfire at night. Work was written up as a formal report and lodged with the company's technical library. The company made a lot of advances in mineral exploration that gave the outfit a lead in a number of fields; never publically published, at least not for a long time. In one case, we were able to go into a goldfield that had been picked over for about 70 years by numerous companies, and within a a few years discovered the first orebody in a decade - that from a geopysicist sitting in front of his computer, playing with data from all over the place, not related to active projects.

The same company also had one marvellous policy that I was the beneficiary of - 'Study Leave'. Eligable folk would be sent overseas on half pay to do a MSc or a PhD. The Olympic Dam mega-deposit was found by applying the knowledge of that PhD within the company environment and bringing in some 'left field.' approaches.

 

[drron]

Covid enters cells via the ACE receptor.Some suggested discontinuing ACE antihypertensives.This has turned out to be very wrong.Those that have have done worse with covid.

DG Alerts COVID-19

 

[drron]

An unusual side effect of covid.Many top flight restaurants are ditching the requirement for men to wear a jacket when dining,

‘Jacket Required’ No More? How the Pandemic Changed Dress Codes

Le Bernardin in New York City was the latest “jacket required” restaurant to chuck its formal policy.

www.wsj.com

Though it is good to see that at our favourite NYC restaurant most men still wear a jacket.
"At Le Bernardin, too, though jackets may be optional now, most men are still opting for them. Mr. Ripert said that he was “very surprised” to see almost every male patron come in wearing a jacket these past few months. Going out for an elaborate dinner now feels more like an occasion than ever before, he observed. “The gentlemen are very, very happy to be elegant.”

 

[clifford]

Whereas if they can only get AZ and can't travel for 3 months due to needing both shots

Yes, but don't need to wait 3 months. I had my 2nd shot after 10 weeks (research showed this to be a really good option), but it can be taken any time after 4 weeks.

 

[Port Power]

Yes, but don't need to wait 3 months. I had my 2nd shot after 10 weeks (research showed this to be a really good option), but it can be taken any time after 4 weeks.

Yes, at any time, but maximum efficacy is when second vaccination is had at 12 weeks.

 

[clifford]

Yes, at any time, but maximum efficacy is when second vaccination is had at 12 weeks.

I'd like to see your proof of this...

 

[JessicaTam]

I'd like to see your proof of this...

Umm, the recommendation from AZ.

Edit: or how about the Health dept: About the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine

 

[clifford]

Umm, the recommendation from AZ.

Edit: or how about the Health dept: About the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine

Yes, fine, but this can be for all sorts of (undisclosed) reasons. I've actually reviewed several learned reports (not Australian) of actual studies which suggest the optimum gap to be 8-12 weeks. But you could always consult the Canadian health authorities (yes I know their views too).

 

[drron]

It is not only worries about vaccines with the new variants but they are having major effects on treatments.

Welcome to Precision Vaccinations News

Precision Vaccinations News publishes vaccine news patients can trust to make informed immunization decisions in partnership with doctors, nurses, and pharmacists.

www.coronavirustoday.com

 

[drron]

Some more information on new variants we have gone on past delta but no more variants of concern.

Welcome to Precision Vaccinations News

Precision Vaccinations News publishes vaccine news patients can trust to make informed immunization decisions in partnership with doctors, nurses, and pharmacists.

www.coronavirustoday.com

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

I do hope the variants of high consequence section remains empty.

Articles on how long immunity may last.

DG Alerts COVID-19

How long does covid-19 immunity last?

Many questions remain about both natural and vaccine induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2. Chris Baraniuk reviews what we know so far This is difficult to say definitively. When the body’s immune system responds to an infection, it isn’t always clear how long any immunity that develops will persist...

www.bmj.com

 

[Pushka]

Some more information on new variants we have gone on past delta but no more variants of concern.

Welcome to Precision Vaccinations News

Precision Vaccinations News publishes vaccine news patients can trust to make informed immunization decisions in partnership with doctors, nurses, and pharmacists.

www.coronavirustoday.com

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

I do hope the variants of high consequence section remains empty.

Articles on how long immunity may last.

DG Alerts COVID-19

How long does covid-19 immunity last?

Many questions remain about both natural and vaccine induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2. Chris Baraniuk reviews what we know so far This is difficult to say definitively. When the body’s immune system responds to an infection, it isn’t always clear how long any immunity that develops will persist...

www.bmj.com

It is going to be difficult to isolate the marketing talk from the real need to have a booster shot.

 

[DC3]

We need a bit more of this type of justice for serious breaches:

WA man supposed to be isolating jailed for having tradies to his home — ABC News

 

[dajop]

Meanwhile in Singapore, whilst we had a doughnut day on Saturday, just one case on Sunday, it has taken off again. This Delta strain is something else altogether. Today 56 new cases (new cases over last week, 3, 1, 0, 1, 8, 19, 56). Most of these are in KTV (Karaoke TV) "lounges" which are basically, from what I understand, a front for alcohol and prostitution and over the last year were only permitted to be open to serve F&B. The government will go after these businesses hard now. no doubt.

56 new locally transmitted COVID-19 cases in Singapore; 4 more KTV lounges investigated

SINGAPORE: Singapore reported 56 new locally transmitted COVID-19 infections as of noon on Wednesday (Jul 14), of which 42 belong to a KTV lounge cluster. MOH had earlier indicated that 41 new cases were traced to KTV lounges. This number was subsequently revised in the health ministry's evening upd

www.channelnewsasia.com

 

[bcworld]

Hospitalisations rising sharply in some parts of England as Freedom Day approaches...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1415340199622623234

 

[drron]

An Australian perspective on long covid.

Long COVID-19: threats, opportunities for health care system - InSight+

Long COVID: Many post-COVID patients perceive themselves to be significantly unwell, and are demanding care, write Martin Hensher, Mary Rose Angeles, Barbara de Graaff, Julie Campbell and Eugene Athan

insightplus.mja.com.au

The EU officially recognises myocarditis as a side effect of mRNA vaccines.

DG Alerts COVID-19

 

[Lynda2475]

ABC Covid Blog reports, that in some places vaccine passports not to be trusted, antibody testing will be required to prove status:

Vaccine certificates not enough proof for Hong Kong tourists​

Vaccine certificates aren’t enough proof for Hong Kong, which has just announced it will allow tourists back next week from all but 10 nations.

Visitors from India and the UK are among those who will still be blocked.

Would-be tourists or travellers from “medium-risk” nations such as the US will still have to do a seven-day stint in hotel quarantine.

But once they get an antibody test from a lab recognised by the Hong Kong government to prove they really were vaccinated against COVID-19, they can leave.

 

[Hvr]

ABC Covid Blog reports, that in some places vaccine passports not to be trusted, antibody testing will be required to prove status:

Many years ago I attended a fraud seminar and we were told It takes on average one week (seven days) for organised crime to develop false credentials that will defeat all but the most stringent checking.

I doubt that has changed.

 

[Lynda2475]

Many years ago I attended a fraud seminar and we were told It takes on average one week (seven days) for organised crime to develop false credentials that will defeat all but the most stringent checking.

I doubt that has changed.

I dont doubt that.

I'd be fine to have an antibody test provided it can be done for a reasonable price on arrival and results guaranteed to be turned around quickly, so can build the delay into a travel schedule.

Of course if we could get it done before departure here with our government providing the result to the other government electronically, this would reduce the ability of fraudsters to create fake certificates.

 

[Flashback]

ABC Covid Blog reports, that in some places vaccine passports not to be trusted, antibody testing will be required to prove status:

Vaccine certificates not enough proof for Hong Kong tourists​

Vaccine certificates aren’t enough proof for Hong Kong, which has just announced it will allow tourists back next week from all but 10 nations.

Visitors from India and the UK are among those who will still be blocked.

Would-be tourists or travellers from “medium-risk” nations such as the US will still have to do a seven-day stint in hotel quarantine.

But once they get an antibody test from a lab recognised by the Hong Kong government to prove they really were vaccinated against COVID-19, they can leave.

Seems odd given the UK vaccination details come from the NHS app which is pretty darn difficult to fake, yet the CDC is a paper card written on that can be easily forged. Hey ho.