General Coronavirus chit chat thread - non-travel specific

[get me outta here]

This is an Australian post and it quoted which QF Flight the pax came from. I didn’t post that part to protect the author and the information that she was paid to inspect and report on. But having read the news from the last couple of days, This could well be referring to the Swissotel in Pitt Street. There are residents and continuing hotel guests in that hotel, see todays’s SMH. I know the source and it is trustworthy, otherwise I would not of posted it.

One of the residents if it is that hotel was interviewed and on the news a day or two ago and it can be caught up here : Australians in quarantine at Sydney hotel describe 'prison-like' conditions


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I think with a post such as that you need to confirm which country it was actually in. And also whether it was an earlier hotel taking guests vs the new quarantine hotels that have now been set up in Australia. There have been many facebook type posts which are simply made up.

Personally I would be surprised if the quarantine hotels in Australia actually have any non-quarantine guests in them. Indeed the footage I have seen to date of Australian Quarantine Hotels have had police and the army in the lobby, outside the entrance and patrolling the corridors.

I would also be quite skeptical if in Australia that Quarantine Guests are actually exiting their rooms in any manner. There may of course be the occasional idiot who tries, but I would be surprised if this in Australia was not rare.

 

[Flying mermaid]

As with anything incomprehensible, it seems that it was not as straightforward as first presented. According to a follow up story in the Herald, their flight landed before the mandatory hotel quarantine directive came into effect. Apparently some of the party were told it would be OK to self-isolate at home (I.e travel onward) while others were told to quarantine. The decision was clarified that they would all need to quarantine but by that time many had already taken their morning connecting flight.

So the media reports that they are all being prosecuted are not true?

 

[get me outta here]

Maybe a better question is can the governments of various levels get the story straight. Perhaps, or perhaps not. The media reports are probably quite correct. There is no shortage of judgemental people basing outrage on scant evidence.

So the media reports that they are all being prosecuted are not true?

 

[mrsterryn]

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I know pets were mentioned earlier

 

[Flying mermaid]

Maybe a better question is can the governments of various levels get the story straight. Perhaps, or perhaps not. The media reports are probably quite correct. There is no shortage of judgemental people basing outrage on scant evidence.

Too hard for me to disentangle.... If they got conflicting advice then it’s not their fault and I don’t see how they can be prosecuted.

 

[RooFlyer]

history will be a harsh judge on the CMO, who is probably a great guy but not really a specialist for the unexpected COVID thing.

juddles, do you really think its just him, sitting in his office, dreaming up what he should say and do? Sounds like it. BTW, who IS a 'specialist in the unexpected COVID thing'?

The CMO is backed by several deputies and a whole department, including Professor Paul Kelly who IS an expert in epidemiology (including transmissible disease ... flu ... spread):

Professor Paul Kelly

Professor Paul Kelly is a public health physician, epidemiologist and health service executive.Professor Kelly is currently the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for the Australian Government Department of Health.He was Chief Health Officer for the Australian Capital Territory and Deputy Director...

medicalschool.anu.edu.au

Have a read of the transcript of one of his press conferences:

Deputy Chief Medical Officer’s press conference about COVID-19 on 16 March

Read the transcript of the press conference given by Professor Paul Kelly, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, about coronavirus (COVID-19).

www.health.gov.au

Ditto for those thinking its just the PM maybe with the National Cabinet who are dreaming up all this stuff then making announcements. There is a myriad of people behind them, some experts in various fields, some generalists, but all doing their best in an unprecedented situation. Australia is not Italy, its not the USA and its not New Zealand. Its also not Sweden, that paragon of societies - they have an 'interesting' policy in place. The leaders won't get it all right - that's reserved for those with 2020 hindsight, sometimes on a daily basis, but, honestly, fair go.

I know we all have opinions, and that's a lot of what AFF is about, but I really wish the pointless carping would stop

 

[get me outta here]

Yes, I agree. And yes media were reporting what they were told by those who come out quickly and blame anybody before considering what may have happened. Possibly the three or however many levels of government were involved in innocently giving conflicting advice. It wouldn’t be surprisingly given the way things keep changing and how quickly they change, it’s hard for people to keep up with instructions at the moment. One could rely on both sides of the story but confected outrage is more fun. I don’t know what sort of prosecution could be proved that would be interesting to see. Persecution on the other hand is rife.

Too hard for me to disentangle.... If they got conflicting advice then it’s not their fault and I don’t see how they can be prosecuted.

 

[p--and--t]

Yes, I agree. And yes media were reporting what they were told by those who come out quickly and blame anybody before considering what may have happened. Possibly the three or however many levels of government were involved in innocently giving conflicting advice. It wouldn’t be surprisingly given the way things keep changing and how quickly they change, it’s hard for people to keep up with instructions at the moment. One could rely on both sides of the story but confected outrage is more fun. I don’t know what sort of prosecution could be proved that would be interesting to see. Persecution on the other hand is rife.

The two episodes of Pacific Princess and Sydney Airport sadly reminds me of the TV series Dad's Army. At least the TV series was funny.

 

[RooFlyer]

Too hard for me to disentangle.... If they got conflicting advice then it’s not their fault and I don’t see how they can be prosecuted.

Yes, that case is a bit muddled, but if they were given instructions/ orders by a copper , or authorised person at the airport, and dis-obeyed that, then I guess they can, and i think should, be prosecuted.

 

[RooFlyer]

This all seems to be getting very...... aggressive.

Have you seen Lord of the Rings? Like a lot of other things, it could go virtual.

 

[drron]

And here is the reason Bergamo has been decimated.A soccer game.
"And in Italy, the February 19th soccer game between Atalanta and Valencia at Milan’s San Siro stadium may go down as one of the biggest SSEs in modern history. More than a third of Valencia’s team members became infected that day, as did an uncountable number of the many Bergamo residents who attended to cheer on Atalanta. (Of the notable COVID-19 SSEs that I have seen described in the media and scientific literature, this soccer game is the only one where attendees were even partially exposed to the open air. However, the roof of San Siro covers all seated areas, and the 46,000 attendees would have been closely packed.)


There’s an ironic and tragic back story to that soccer game. The Atalanta side, known more formally as Atalanta Bergamasca Calcio, is based in Bergamo. Having qualified for the UEFA Champions League for the first time in the small-market team’s history, Atalanta became subject to UEFA regulations, which required that they play in a venue larger than their 21,000-capacity home stadium in Bergamo. This is how the team ended up playing—and winning—at Milan’s San Siro on February 19th. We now know how this story ends for Bergamo. But at the time, it stood as one of the greatest “fairy tale” moments in the small city’s history, which is why 40,000 Bergamaschi, a third of its population, ended up in San Siro that day, with shops being closed and kids taken out of school. That incredible series of sporting events—leading to the improbable spectacle of a small-market team playing in a nearby big-market stadium—is what allowed 33 percent of Bergamo to turn one building into a giant petri dish, the statistical equivalent of three million New Yorkers sitting cheek-by-jowl to watch a Yankees game."

COVID-19 Science Update for March 28th: Bergamo's Decimation, More SSEs, and the Case for Masks

On an annualized basis, the last three weeks in Lombardy correspond to a regional per-capita death rate of 0.72 percent—or, put another way, the death of one person out of every 140 residents.

quillette.com

 

[Pushka]

There is a plan. Created by people with extensive specialist knowledge. More than just a medical input. We just aren't privy to it yet and from some glimpses I don't actually want to know any more.

 

[Denali]

Uggh. What the hell is wrong with people and for them to find him in various parts of Sydney, are they tracking his phone?

Police: man ignored self-iso order three times

A Sydney man will face court today after police allege he was repeatedly caught ignoring instructions to self-isolate after returning from overseas.

www.news.com.au

On three separate occasions, the 30-year-old was found by police in various parts of Sydney, even after he was given a serviced apartment to isolate in.

 

[Pushka]

Uggh. What the hell is wrong with people and for them to find him in various parts of Sydney, are they tracking his phone?

Police: man ignored self-iso order three times

A Sydney man will face court today after police allege he was repeatedly caught ignoring instructions to self-isolate after returning from overseas.

www.news.com.au

On three separate occasions, the 30-year-old was found by police in various parts of Sydney, even after he was given a serviced apartment to isolate in.

He has a police history. So he was being tracked. How many others out there don't have a history and we just don't know where they've been.

 

[get me outta here]

Perhaps, (as we don't know), the mob that stayed was given that instruction clearly. Perhaps, the ones that left were not given that instruction according to what some of them have said. I'm just saying that it's only fair to get both sides of the story.

Yes, that case is a bit muddled, but if they were given instructions/ orders by a copper , or authorised person at the airport, and dis-obeyed that, then I guess they can, and i think should, be prosecuted.

 

[Pushka]

Perhaps, (as we don't know), the mob that stayed was given that instruction clearly. Perhaps, the ones that left were not given that instruction according to what some of them have said. I'm just saying that it's only fair to get both sides of the story.

And NSW was involved. Add a dash of media hype, maybe some frustration expressed from some, authorities completely frustrated with people not regarding their instructions, and you have a "story"

 

[drron]

And even in sleepy Tassie you have idiots.

Police investigating theft of hand sanitiser from Mersey Community Hospital

Police are encouraging members of the community to consider their actions as they investigate the theft of hand sanitiser from the Mersey Community

www.miragenews.com

I believe they are now in police custody.
The first Tassie death has occurred in Burnie.

First coronavirus death in state recorded in North-West

A woman in her 80s has passed away in the North-West Regional Hospital due to illness related to...

www.theadvocate.com.au

 

[get me outta here]

And now for a little light relief so to speak. Just spoke to a person in NYC who is making a face mask out of 'panty liners'. I got a full 5 min description of how this gets constructed, and it seems to be a 2 day job.

 

[Flying mermaid]

He has a police history. So he was being tracked. How many others out there don't have a history and we just don't know where they've been.

this is just typical of people. Thirty years of running a recruitment agency. People fall into three groups. 10% are wonderful and do everything right and are amazing human beings. 80% are fine - aren't really obstructive but sometimes do things wrong while trying to do their best. 10% are totally horrible, entitled, believe the world revolves around them and they know better than anyone else and their ability is usually inversely proportionate to their ego.

 

[Pushka]

And now for a little light relief so to speak. Just spoke to a person in NYC who is making a face mask out of 'panty liners'. I got a full 5 min description of how this gets constructed, and it seems to be a 2 day job.

There are so many lines to use here...