General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[RAM]

Looks like there will be lots of AZ and JnJ available soon...

Canada will be thrilled - they have just announced today that AZ is safe for use, by all. They are also in desperate need of vaccines so now EU doesn't want them, there will be lots of countries who do!

Meanwhile all this will achieve is the EU languishing for longer and probably out of bounds for us Aussies for longer too.

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Europe bets heavily on Pfizer in vaccine strategy overhaul​

Europe has hinted it will not renew contracts for coronavirus vaccines produced by pharmaceutical giants AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson, in a new strategy that pivots heavily towards Pfizer and its new mRNA technology.

In a surprise statement on Wednesday, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said negotiations were under way to buy 1.8 billion Pfizer-BioNTech doses for 2022 and 2023.

Europe bets heavily on Pfizer in vaccine strategy overhaul

The European Commission has hinted it will not renew contracts for vaccines produced by pharmaceutical giants AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson.

www.theage.com.au

Curious & curiouser - Pfizer/BioNTech announced that they were increasing the production rate to 2.5 billion per annum by late 2021.

They also stated they had around 600m+ doses uncontracted for 2021 (I recall).

Something does not add up as by end 2022 (if all goes to plan which Pfizer/BioNTech seem to have been executing exceedingly well, especially in licencing other Pharma companies to produce it like at Kundl in Austria - the place without the kangaroos worth doing a search on Kundl, a small village of under 4,000 people about 55km north east of Innsbruck to get an idea of how behind we are in Australia).

Unless massive recent contracts not yet announced by Pfizer/BioNTech - there should be around 3 billion doses available before the end of 2022. So for the EU's 1.8bn dose order to stretch into 2023 seems odd.

Perhaps it is stretched out to allow for variants to be created in the Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA vaccine.

 

[Flashback]

Green means ok to travel and self iso at home for how long? And how many tests? Is it likely to change for Green when late June is here?

No self iso but need to do a PCR test around day 2. Not likely to change at all by late June. Being vaccinated will make no difference. Essentially just a tax on top of trips to friendly countries.

 

[OZDUCK]

Well no Covid shots but least we both had our Flu Shots today (Quad) anyway.

 

[Lynda2475]

Denmark has now banned AZ for all age groups.

 

[Pushka]

No self iso but need to do a PCR test around day 2. Not likely to change at all by late June. Being vaccinated will make no difference. Essentially just a tax on top of trips to friendly countries.

How about Aussies. Self iso?

 

[Flashback]

How about Aussies. Self iso?

Same rules for everyone, if you've not been in or transited a country on the amber / red list, then no self iso required. Australia is not being touted as one of the countries that will be on the green list though due to low vaccination rates.

 

[Pushka]

Same rules for everyone, if you've not been in or transited a country on the amber / red list, then no self iso required. Australia is not being touted as one of the countries that will be on the green list though due to low vaccination rates.

That old vaccination nugget comes back to haunt again

 

[Must...Fly!]

Denmark has now banned AZ for all age groups.

How ridiculous.

 

[jonboixxx]

How ridiculous.

Yes, but, 7 News just announced a death of a diabetic NSW woman post COVID vaccination, which will apply more pressure.

 

[Lynda2475]

Yep details here:

NSW woman, 48, dies days after receiving COVID-19 vaccine

The woman was vaccinated last Friday and died on Wednesday.

7news.com.au

Not going to help perception of AZ if they confirm that is the vaccine she had.

 

[trevella]

Australia is not being touted as one of the countries that will be on the green list though due to low vaccination rates.

And the current rollout is unlikely to be enough since a booster against variants will be the general standard as of early 2022.

 

[dajop]

This is what happens in places that are, ahem, not so much in favour of the absolute right to freedom of speech...

Issuance of Correction Directions Under the Protection From Online Falsehoods and Manipulation Act On Falsehoods On Covid-19 Vaccination

MOH | News Highlights

Find speeches, press releases, forum replies and parliamentary Q&A.

www.moh.gov.sg

 

[mviy]

And the current rollout is unlikely to be enough since a booster against variants will be the general standard as of early 2022.

So long as the current rollout prevents hospitalisations it is enough. Preventing mild sickness is a want not a need.

 

[cove]

I did the AZ shot this afternoon and have July appointment for the second shot. Asked if there were any cancellations and the answer was no.

 

[trevella]

So long as the current rollout prevents hospitalisations it is enough. Preventing mild sickness is a want not a need.

Oh, didn’t realise you were advising the UK government as well

 

[mviy]

It doesn't mean that we shouldn't do booster shots, but the urgent need to have them will only be there if they will prevent hospitalisations and deaths. If no one will get badly sick or die from COVID then booster shots are a want not a need.

 

[jakeseven7]

Denmark has now banned AZ for all age groups.

And Canada has now deemed AZ safe to be used for all age groups.

So there you go...

 

[OATEK]

Denmark has now banned AZ for all age groups.

Wonder how far down their priority list they have managed to vaccinate - perhaps that enables them to bypass AZ if say they have vaccinated the majority of citizens over 50?

 

[jakeseven7]

Oh and what a surprise, Pfizer and Moderna vaccines also cause clots

So there you go, clots clots for everyone.

Now can we please get back to vaccinating everyone with anything that is lying around...


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Breaking: Blood clots as prevalent with Pfizer and Moderna vaccine as with AstraZeneca's: new study​

A study by Oxford University found the number of people who receive blood clots after getting vaccinated with a coronavirus vaccine are about the same for those who get Pfizer and Moderna MRNA vaccines as they are for the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Blood clots as prevalent with Pfizer and Moderna vaccine as with AstraZeneca's: study

A study by Oxford University found the number of people who receive blood clots after getting vaccinated with a coronavirus vaccine are about the same for...

www.marketwatch.com

 

[SydneySwan]

And Canada has now deemed AZ safe to be used for all age groups.

So there you go...

I presume that both Canada and Denmark are acting on 'their health advice'.