General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[jakeseven7]

Anyway here’s a summary of the latest study covering a sample of 500,000 people.

Problem is until Australians know that the borders are opening imminently I wonder if most will just leave getting vaccinated to the last minute!

 

[serfty]

So fortunate to be in Australia. But I feel looking for a zero risk treatment to a high risk disease is simply fantasy.

Agreed, plus I do like to travel.

Those stats indicate one who gets COVID-19 is 4300 to 5400 times more likely to pass away from it than one who could die from any vaccination induced blood clotting that may occur.

 

[mviy]

At some point they will have to think harder at providing incentives for people to get vaccinated other than reopening the international borders. For many closed international borders is not an issue that has a big effect on them individually.

 

[jakeseven7]

At some point they will have to think harder at providing incentives for people to get vaccinated other than reopening the international borders. For many closed international borders is not an issue that has a big effect on them individually.

Exactly and its this catch 22 - AU gov won't open international borders until 'enough'** people vaccinated, but people won't rush to get vaccinated unless they know the virus is going to start coming into Australia....

The gov might have to start talking firmer dates to encourage the vaccination take up at some point....

**undefined who is enough but thought to be the most vulnerable/elderly

 

[mviy]

I was thinking more along the lines of having some things within Australia only open to the vaccinated.

Say, for example once everyone in 1A and 1B has had ample opportunity to get vaccinated should those over 70 unless medically exempt from vaccination be allowed to attend a 100,000 strong crowd at the footy?

 

[jase05]

I was thinking more along the lines of having some things within Australia only open to the vaccinated.

Say, for example once everyone in 1A and 1B has had ample opportunity to get vaccinated should those over 70 unless medically exempt from vaccination be allowed to attend a 100,000 strong crowd at the footy?

In SA Marshall was talking about making vaccinations mandatory for entrance to hotels, restaurants, pubs etc but that seems to have gone quiet.

 

[k_sheep]

As referred to is this health alert?

HAN Archive - 00442 | Health Alert Network (HAN)

Health Alert Network (HAN). Provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

emergency.cdc.gov

That's the one!

Suspected Vaccine Induced Prothrombotic Immune Thrombocytopenia (VIPIT): THANZ Advisory Statement (check for weekly updates) - THANZ - Thrombosis & Haemostasis Society of Australia and New Zealand Here's the Australian statement which is updated every few days if anyone is interested.

 

[jakeseven7]

A covid vaccine discount program.

You can still do stuff if your an anti vax but you just pay more.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

In SA Marshall was talking about making vaccinations mandatory for entrance to hotels, restaurants, pubs etc but that seems to have gone quiet.

The problem with that, or the football crowd idea, is that you will be also penalising people who want the vaccination, but are not yet eligible to gain it. Well at least if implemented within say the next 9-12 months.

And with say hotels, restaurants, pubs etc you will be penalising the businesses by restricting their custom.

International travel would be an incentive for some, but not for many.

So the incentive would initially (ie in the period where people may not be able to have been vaccinated) more have to be some form of annual or one off extra perk or benefit.

 

[Gremlin]

In SA Marshall was talking about making vaccinations mandatory for entrance to hotels, restaurants, pubs etc but that seems to have gone quiet.

There would be uproar if that were the case whilst such a large proportion of the population are simply *unable* to be vaccinated. As I mentioned in another thread, three months ago the timetable had me six months away from being vaccinated. Now I'm at least eight months away from vaccination. I think large slabs of the voting population would be very unforgiving if rules like this were imposed when vaccines were simply not being made available in a timely manner.

 

[mviy]

The problem with that, or the football crowd idea, is that you will be also penalising people who want the vaccination, but are not yet eligible to gain it. Well at least if implemented within say the next 9-12 months.

But if everyone over 70 has had plenty of opportunity to get the vaccine (that is phase 1A and 1B complete) what’s to stop only penalising people above 70 who haven’t had it? You have to start somewhere. People need real incentives to get the vaccine to do things that matter to them.

Obviously we are not at that point yet, but hopefully in a few months phase 2A will be starting.

 

[jakeseven7]

Don’t stop unvaccinated people from doing anything just give the vaccinated people a bonus/perk/discount so people want to join the club.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

But if everyone over 70 has had plenty of opportunity to get the vaccine (that is phase 1A and 1B complete) what’s to stop only penalising people above 70 who haven’t had it? You have to start somewhere. People need real incentives to get the vaccine to do things that matter to them.

Yes we agree. The benefit should be once everyone has had opportunity to be vaccinated, and it could be per category (ie Over 70's).

But that means that things like football attendance or capacity maximums at venues cannot be used for as in your example of the over 70's all the under 70's would be discriminated against. Plus the venue operators would still be discriminated against.

So it really needs to be some type of "extra" benefit for my way of thinking, rather that a "penalty".

Carrot, not stick.

 

[MelMel]

Don’t stop unvaccinated people from doing anything just give the vaccinated people a bonus/perk/discount so people want to join the club.

Perhaps a modest “economic stimulus”?

 

[mviy]

But that means that things like football attendance or capacity maximums at venues cannot be used for as in your example of the over 70's all the under 70's would be discriminated against. Plus the venue operators would still be discriminated against.

How would the under 70s be discriminated against? Under 70, no need to prove you've been vaccinated. Over 70, need to prove vaccination as you should have already had it (at the time that 1A and 1B are complete). Then as 2A is complete the age to need to prove vaccination would be lowered again etc.

Even if not this idea, there needs to be some concrete things that will benefit those who have no intention of travelling overseas and encourage them to get vaccinated when its their turn other than some panic rush to get vaccinated a few months before international borders reopen.

 

[Port Power]

Yes we agree. The benefit should be once everyone has had opportunity to be vaccinated, and it could be per category (ie Over 70's).

But that means that things like football attendance or capacity maximums at venues cannot be used for as in your example of the over 70's all the under 70's would be discriminated against. Plus the venue operators would still be discriminated against.

So it really needs to be some type of "extra" benefit for my way of thinking, rather that a "penalty".

Carrot, not stick.

Clubs like RSL where members have to scan in could easily have a ”no vacc, no entry” policy. School events, P&C meetings and parent/teacher mights could also use that rule. Plus domestic flights and travel and hotels where they are checking every guest anyway. Those unable to have a vaccination will have a letter to bypass the requirement, so for many people under 50 I think these could be good incentives.

 

[mviy]

Then there's things like lockdowns. At some point those who have been vaccinated should be given some more freedoms when those occur than those who have not.

 

[Gremlin]

Do you know what would render all these ideas obsolete? A clearly articulated government plan to roll out vaccines to all Australians in a timely manner and to safely open up the country.

It feels like it’s not too much to ask, but unfortunately it appears it’s far too much to expect.

 

[mviy]

Do you know what would render all these ideas obsolete? A clearly articulated government plan to roll out vaccines to all Australians in a timely manner and to safely open up the country.

A solid plan to roll it out doesn't mean a lot if people in too large numbers refuse to take the vaccine. There needs to be incentives there that people value so that they take it up when it's their turn.

 

[DC3]

Do you know what would render all these ideas obsolete? A clearly articulated government plan to roll out vaccines to all Australians in a timely manner and to safely open up the country.

It feels like it’s not too much to ask, but unfortunately it appears it’s far too much to expect.

A solid plan to roll it out doesn't mean a lot if people in too large numbers refuse to take the vaccine. There needs to be incentives there that people value so that they take it up when it's their turn.

And a carrot and the stick approach should be part of the plan.