General Discussion/Q&A on Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[DC3]

Just listening to Jacinta Arden and one thing she does brilliantly is to convey a clear and concise message.

Good to see one country at least has a good leader.

Be on the lookout for anyone accusing you of politicising.

 

[drron]

You’ve hung on! We gave up on our May UK / Sicily trip when this thing was still only a Wuhan problem.

That's fine for you as plenty of time to be able to take those trips.My mobility problems means a much shorter timescale to redo this May trip.
On top of that why rush to cancel.The longer you wait the more chance of a full refund which is quite important to us.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Gloria Gaynor hand washing technique.

Gloria Gaynor fights coronavirus by washing her hands to 'I Will Survive'

‘Thank the gods for Gloria Gaynor,’ Twitter user writes

www.independent.co.uk

 

[TheRealTMA]

Be on the lookout for anyone accusing you of politicising.

Possibly, but it seems to be a rational statement, universally agreed by many, in many countries, despite the politics of the opinion holder.

 

[Pushka]

Be on the lookout for anyone accusing you of politicising.

I straddle both sides. I'm a Gemini. I just admire good leadership regardless of the flavour. And I call out behaviours of any politicians that aren't helpful.

 

[DC3]

My kids are now calling the virus "The boomer remover".

Gee, where do they pick-up those sort of things? Rather sad.

Just keep away from that car rental place at the airport, Moggy.

 

[TheRealTMA]

I read it’s getting to situations in some countries that CV patients needing respirators are being evaluated as to survival rates so that, in Italy, over 80‘s could be denied if their are shortages. And, I read this morning that there are suggestions in Australia that if a young person needs a respirator, one WA medical person was talking that over 60‘s may be denied. (Although he was severely criticised by more senior medical personnel.)

Interesting times.

edit: ref. If coronavirus overwhelms our hospitals, doctors will be forced to make the hardest of decisions

 

[Denali]

Made me laugh...

 

[get me outta here]

Perhaps we can bring back drive in movies where we don't need to sit near to anyone else.

 

[Pushka]

I read it’s getting to situations in some countries that CV patients needing respirators are being evaluated as to survival rates so that, in Italy, over 80‘s could be denied if their are shortages. And, I read this morning that there are suggestions in Australia that if a young person needs a respirator, one WA medical person was talking that over 60‘s may be denied. (Although he was severely criticised by more senior medical personnel.)

Interesting times.

From a phone call from the family received yesterday I suspect that memo went out to medicos on Friday.

 

[DC3]

My kids are now calling the virus "The boomer remover".

Just shows what a caustic and offensive narrative has been normalised, I am neither of those generations but inbetween, but I'm sincerely distressed first that children would talk about their own parents' generation like that, but also that such a sense of entitlement exists. How about a bit of respect for a generation that absolutely lived through their own challenges ...

So if I as a member of neither of the generations referenced find it distressing I can't imagine how I'd feel were that a reference to my situation.

Agreed. Very poor form.

 

[Tropic]

We probably better placed than asian and european countries given our dispersed population and the distance between our main population centers (apart from the BNE/SYD/MEL + CBR and environs golden triangle).

PER and DRW, and to lesser extent ADL, are (in population density terms) essentially "islands within an island". So would expect interstate travel restrictions, social distancing, self quarantining and tighter border controls could be more effective here.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I read it’s getting to situations in some countries that CV patients needing respirators are being evaluated as to survival rates so that, in Italy, over 80‘s could be denied if their are shortages. And, I read this morning that there are suggestions in Australia that if a young person needs a respirator, one WA medical person was talking that over 60‘s may be denied. (Although he was severely criticised by more senior medical personnel.)

Interesting times.

edit: ref. If coronavirus overwhelms our hospitals, doctors will be forced to make the hardest of decisions

That makes my blood boil

Moral philosopher and acting dean of the School of Philosophy and Theology at the University of Notre Dame in Fremantle Philip Matthews has been watching Italy's coronavirus crisis closely.​

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He said it was right and ethical for doctors to restrict access to critical equipment like respirators to the young and healthy.​

So a 61 year old providing back into the community the wealth of experience they have gained over their lifetime gets shunted to the side for a 30-year-old- unemployed-newstart-allowancee with no prospects who is 'young'.

Thankfully we should never have to consider the ethical issues proposed by the acting dean... the 'young' don't seem to have the serious side-effects. It's the elderly with underlying conditions that will need the ventilators. Let's hope we have enough.

 

[Pushka]

That makes my blood boil

Moral philosopher and acting dean of the School of Philosophy and Theology at the University of Notre Dame in Fremantle Philip Matthews has been watching Italy's coronavirus crisis closely.​

​

He said it was right and ethical for doctors to restrict access to critical equipment like respirators to the young and healthy.​

So a 61 year old providing back into the community the wealth of experience they have gained over their lifetime gets shunted to the side for a 20-year unemployed-newstart-allowancee with no prospects who is 'young'.

Thankfully we should never have to consider the ethical issues proposed by the acting dean... the 'young' don't seem to have the serious side-effects. It's the elderly with underlying conditions that will need the ventilators. Let's hope we have enough.

We won't if it is a sharp peak.

 

[Tropic]

Many of the comments regarding triage for ventilators refers to the the public system. There are also ventilators in private hospital sector which apparently can be garnered by the government in a national emergency. Interesting situation though, given private hospitals will need to treat private patients first and many people have recently dropped their private health cover..

 

[moa999]

given private hospitals will need to treat private patients first and many people have recently dropped their private health cover..

Not a huge number of private emergency departments though.

If elective surgeries get cancelled that may free up some machines

 

[DC3]

Many of the comments regarding triage for ventilators refers to the the public system. There are also ventilators in private hospital sector which apparently can be garnered by the government in a national emergency. Interesting situation though, given private hospitals will need to treat private patients first and many people have recently dropped their private health cover..

Unfortunately, it can be difficult to get admitted to some private hospitals if your issue will be particularly labour intensive/prolonged (expensive). Some seem to only want to deal with the mundane. Many do not have an Emergency department, as such.

 

[amaroo]

That's fine for you as plenty of time to be able to take those trips.My mobility problems means a much shorter timescale to redo this May trip.
On top of that why rush to cancel.The longer you wait the more chance of a full refund which is quite important to us.

Gave up and cancelled are two different things... our flights are mid may and I'm waiting for SQ to cancel them. If they don't we'll just cough up the fee and do it.

Understand on age / mobility, but sometimes things are just not worth taking the risk. Particular as age is one of the key risk factors with this killer.

 

[Pushka]

I dread any family member who may need hospital treatment in the next few weeks for non Covid issues. The blood bank will also be impacted. People working in health sector who have school age kids may be required to stay home if schools closed. List of implications unfolds.

 

[Mogul]

I have removed my previous post and apologise to anyone that it may have offended.